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Ambush bug you might want to do a bit of reading yourself since there are a few prophecies about Israel being restored which you seem to neglect.

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Jeremiah 23:3 "I myself will gather the remnant of my flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and will bring them back to their pasture, where they will be fruitful and increase in number.

Isaiah 43:5&6 "Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, 'Give them up!' and to the south, 'Do not hold them back. Bring my sons from afar and my

daughters from the ends of the earth."

Ezekiel 36:24-28 "For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do themThen you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God."

Also if you would read the Bible more a pattern would emerge that shows Israel would be disobedient, then be punished by God, normally by foreign occupation and at times exile from the land for a time, but then a reconciliation which would bring them back to the land and the removal of the foreign occupation.

Lastly if anyone is bringing up God changing it is you Ambush Bug. In the Bible it clearly states that God promised the land of Israel to Abraham and his descendants the Israelites. By claiming that the Jews lost their right to the land you are changing God's promise to Abraham.

The State of Israel is not living by the Law of God and the State of Israel obviously aren't living by God's spirit.

The State of Israel began disobedient to God and remains disobedient to God.

The State of Israel violates too many human rights laws.

Zionism is anti-Torah in every aspect.

Have you even bothered to read Ezekiel 22, Jeremiah 22, and Habakkuk 2?

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Bug believes in "special" Jews. No Zionists need apply for they are not worthy in his book - GOD'S opinion to the contrary notwithstanding....

No, you just blindly believe in the simple equation of Jew = Palestine/Israel = God's will.

but what about disobedient/non-believing Jew = Palestine/Israel = is not God's will?

Why did the Jews go into captivity in the first, 'and then'? Why didnt God just let bygones be bygones. Jews are in the land that is all that matters is your philosophy. Why didnt God follow that same philosophy? Why didnt God just leave them alone and keep them in the land of Israel? Why were they put under judgment to begin with? Instead of your idea, "well their in the land and thats all that matters to ... me."

After all 44% of them are secular and another 27% is non-observant. I find the government rather fascist, discriminatory, inhumane, and callous in its treatment of Arab Israelis and occupied Arab Palestinians.

Are the Jews in the State of Israel now due for judgment just like their pre-Captivity ancient ancestors? If no, why not?

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No, you just blindly believe in the simple equation of Jew = Palestine/Israel = God's will.

but what about disobedient/non-believing Jew = Palestine/Israel = is not God's will?

Why did the Jews go into captivity in the first, 'and then'? Why didnt God just let bygones be bygones. Jews are in the land that is all that matters is your philosophy. Why didnt God follow that same philosophy? Why didnt God just leave them alone and keep them in the land of Israel? Why were they put under judgment to begin with? Instead of your idea, "well their in the land and thats all that matters to ... me."

After all 44% of them are secular and another 27% is non-observant. I find the government rather fascist, discriminatory, inhumane, and callous in its treatment of Arab Israelis and occupied Arab Palestinians.

Are the Jews in the State of Israel now due for judgment just like their pre-Captivity ancient ancestors? If no, why not?

Only if you consider that 2/3 of them will DIE, I guess. Is THAT judgment enough for you Bug? Stop playing God for awhile and read the scriptures.

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Only if you consider that 2/3 of them will DIE, I guess. Is THAT judgment enough for you Bug? Stop playing God for awhile and read the scriptures.

Wait a minute... I am not playing God, you are... I am speaking about human rights here. Israel violates the human rights of the Arabs and that has been my WHOLE contention since participating in this forum.

Not whether or not the Jews will fall under judgment. You can reference Ezekiel chapter 5, Zechariah 13:8-9, and Zephaniah 3:12-13 all you want BUT all too willing to turn a blind eye to the plight of the Arabs in Israel and the occupied territories. The suffering of the Arabs never ceases in these parts. They are being pushed and crowded into isolated ghettos in the occupied territories while Israel builds a 25 ft wall INSIDE the green line, has built 269 illegal settlements, all interconnected by "Jew only" roads and 2-3 lane highways. The occupied territories (West Bank and East Jerusalem) is being cut-up to pieces, and this is legally Palestinian land. Already, the Arabs lead a sordid bantustan existance, forced to live in isolated islands, separated from their brethren and relatives elsewhere.

FAST FACTS

522 roadblocks and checkpoints obstruct Palestinian movement in the West Bank, compared to 503 in July 2010.

So far in 2011, an additional 495 ad-hoc ‘flying’ checkpoints obstructed movement around the West Bank each month (on average), compared to 351 in the past two years.

200,000 people from 70 villages are forced to use detours between two to five times longer than the direct route to their closest city due to movement restrictions.

One or more of the main entrances are blocked to Palestinian traffic in ten out of eleven major West Bank cities.

Palestinians holding West Bank IDs require entry permits to enter East Jerusalem and are limited to using four of the 16 checkpoints along the Barrier.

62 percent of the Barrier is completed, with 80 percent of the Barrier route built inside the West Bank, with highly limited access to areas behind the Barrier.

Four of the five roads into the Jordan Valley are not accessible to most Palestinian vehicles.

Almost 80 percent of land in the Jordan Valley is off-limits to Palestinians, with the land designated for Israeli settlements, ‘firing zones’ and ‘nature reserves’.

122 closure obstacles shut off the Old City of Hebron from the rest of the city.

Palestinian access to their private land around 55 Israeli settlements is highly restricted.

1. The civilian population of the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt) must be allowed to enjoy basic rights guaranteed in international law, including the right to freedom of movementand choice of residence, as well as the right to an adequate standard of living, adequate housing and access to education and healthcare. The Israeli authorities should facilitate the movement of civilians by removing checkpoints and obstacles not necessary for legitimate security purposes.

2. Most movement restrictions in the West Bank were introduced following the outbreak of the second Intifada in September 2000 as temporary measures to contain Palestinian violence.The majority of these have remained in place despite a significant improvement in the security situation, and close cooperation between security forces of the Palestinian Authority and Israel.

3. Despite improvements in the past three years, Palestinians still face difficulties accessing main urban centres in the West Bank. Most Palestinian traffic is funnelled onto secondary and often lower-quality routes affecting their access to services and livelihoods.

4. Access to East Jerusalem is severely restricted by the Barrier, checkpoints and a permit system. This situation has a particularly negative impact on patients and medical staff, who need to access the six specialised hospitals in East Jerusalem, providing services unavailable elsewhere in the oPt. This system also impedes access to Muslim and Christian places of worship in East Jerusalem.

5. Palestinian access to large rural areas in the West Bank is restricted by physical obstacles and bureaucratic requirements. This includes areas located between the Barrier and the Green Line, the Jordan Valley (30 percent of the West Bank), and agricultural land near Israeli settlements, with a severe impact on access to livelihoods and basic services.

6. Most of the movement restrictions imposed on Palestinians aim to protect the 500,000 Israeli settlers living in settlements established in contravention of international humanitarian law, aim to secure land for expansion of settlements, and to improve their connections with Israel.

Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs occupied Palestinian territory

Movement and access in the West Bank SEPTEMBER 2011

http://www.ochaopt.o...tember_2011.pdf

The number of settler attacks resulting in Palestinian casualties and property damage has increased by 32% in 2011 compared to 2010, and by over 144% compared to 2009.

In 2011, three Palestinians were killed and 183 injured by Israeli settlers. In addition, one Palestinian

was killed, and 125 others injured, by Israeli soldiers during clashes between Israeli settlers and

Palestinians.

Eight Israeli settlers were killed and 37 others injured by Palestinians in 2011, compared to five killed

and 50 injured in 2010.

In 2011, about 10,000 Palestinian-owned trees, primarily olive trees, were damaged or destroyed by

Israeli settlers, significantly undermining the livelihoods of hundreds of families.

In 2011, 139 Palestinians were displaced due to settler attacks, with some affected families moving to Area A and B.

Over 90% of monitored complaints regarding settler violence filed by Palestinians with the Israeli

police in recent years have been closed without indictment.

OCHA has identified over 80 communities with a combined population of nearly 250,000 Palestinians vulnerable to settler violence, including 76,000 who are at high-risk.

1. Violence by Israeli settlers undermines the physical security and livelihoods of Palestinians living under Israel’s prolonged military occupation.This violence includes physical assaults, harassment, takeover of and damage to private property, obstructed access to grazing and agricultural land, and attacks on livestock and agricultural land, among others.

2. In recent years, many attacks have been carried out by settlers living in settlement “outposts,” small satellite settlements built without official authorization, many on privately-owned Palestinian land. Since 2008, settlers have attacked Palestinians and their property as a means of discouraging the Israeli authorities from dismantling these outposts (the so-called “price tag” strategy).

3. The root cause of the settler violence phenomenon is Israel’s decades-long policy of illegally facilitating the settling of its citizens inside occupied Palestinian territory. This activity has resulted in the progressive takeover of Palestinian land, resources and transportation routes and has created two separate systems of rights and privileges, favoring Israeli citizens at the expense of the over 2.5 million Palestinian residents of the West Bank. Recent official efforts to retroactively legalize settler takeover of privately-owned Palestinian land actively promotes a culture of impunity that contributes to continued violence.

4. The Israeli authorities repeatedly fail to enforce the rule of law in response to Israeli settlers’ acts of violence against Palestinians. Israeli forces often fail to stop attacks and follow-up afterwards is inadequate or poorly conducted. Measures of the current system, including requiring Palestinians to file complaints at police stations located inside Israeli settlements, actively work against the rule of law by discouraging Palestinians from filing complaints.

5. The risk of displacement of vulnerable families as a result of settler violence is an issue of increasing concern.Settler violence creates pressure and constant hardship on some Palestinian communities, particularly when combined with other difficulties, such as access and movement restrictions and house demolitions. Displacement has serious immediate and longer-term physical, socio-economic and emotional impacts on Palestinian families and communities.

6. Under international humanitarian law and international human rights law, Israel is obligated to prevent attacks against civilians or their property and ensure that all incidents of setter violence are investigated in a thorough, impartial and independent manner.

Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs occupied Palestinian territory ISRAELI SETTLER VIOLENCE IN THE WEST BANK NOVEMBER 2011 DATA UPDATED THROUGH DECEMBER 2011

http://www.ochaopt.o...011_english.pdf

You dont care, do you? Dont you realize you are just contributing another silent voice?

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"You dont care, do you? Dont you realize you are just contributing another silent voice? "

You are correct - and I'm sad about that. I'm unqualified or I'd join the IDF.

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Wait a minute... I am not playing God, you are... I am speaking about human rights here. Israel violates the human rights of the Arabs and that has been my WHOLE contention since participating in this forum.

How humane can Israel be when evicting squatters and they don’t take the hint? Nobody else will do it. And those Palestinians that had legal deeds forfeited them when they followed the Mufti’s orders and stood with the squatters. It’s not Israel that is violating human rights. The Palestinian is breaking the law. What recourse does Israel have? What recourse do any of you have if a squatter decides to live in your house?

BUT all too willing to turn a blind eye to the plight of the Arabs in Israel and the occupied territories. The suffering of the Arabs never ceases in these parts.

Not turning a blind eye but it seems very disingenuous to place more focus on what Israel is doing when worse is happening in Sudan and Syria. That the plight of Muslims in Chechnya and Xinjiang is all but ignored. Jordan did worse to their Palestinian population and what about Lebanon? After 60 years, they still don’t have citizenship.

FAST FACTS

More like Fast and Lose. What do you think will happen if such restrictions are lifted? There will be more violence. And it will just get more violent.

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How humane can Israel be when evicting squatters and they don't take the hint? Nobody else will do it. And those Palestinians that had legal deeds forfeited them when they followed the Mufti's orders and stood with the squatters. It's not Israel that is violating human rights. The Palestinian is breaking the law. What recourse does Israel have? What recourse do any of you have if a squatter decides to live in your house?

Not turning a blind eye but it seems very disingenuous to place more focus on what Israel is doing when worse is happening in Sudan and Syria. That the plight of Muslims in Chechnya and Xinjiang is all but ignored. Jordan did worse to their Palestinian population and what about Lebanon? After 60 years, they still don't have citizenship.

More like Fast and Lose. What do you think will happen if such restrictions are lifted? There will be more violence. And it will just get more violent.

This is a point I have tried to make multiple times and either failed due to my inability to express myself or because of the simple obstinacy of others. The mindset of the Palestinian is all or nothing and the capacity for violence is unlimited. That combination makes ANY CONCESSION more likely to be used against Israel than to forward a real peace. But Israel must make "tough choices".... I wonder, if those who say this had to bury THEIR children how ready they would be to make further tough choices?

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How humane can Israel be when evicting squatters and they don't take the hint? Nobody else will do it. And those Palestinians that had legal deeds forfeited them when they followed the Mufti's orders and stood with the squatters. It's not Israel that is violating human rights. The Palestinian is breaking the law. What recourse does Israel have? What recourse do any of you have if a squatter decides to live in your house?

How does 1,300 years of dominance in Palestine qualify as squatting? Can Native Americans in 1,100 years from now call Americans squatters? And boot us out? Send us to Canada and Mexico to live as refugees?

Not turning a blind eye but it seems very disingenuous to place more focus on what Israel is doing when worse is happening in Sudan and Syria. That the plight of Muslims in Chechnya and Xinjiang is all but ignored. Jordan did worse to their Palestinian population and what about Lebanon? After 60 years, they still don't have citizenship.

Who is ultimately responsible for the Refugees? Israel is. Israel needs to grant the right of return to the refugees.

More like Fast and Lose. What do you think will happen if such restrictions are lifted? There will be more violence. And it will just get more violent.

Hey, Israel recognized the UN partition not the Arabs. The UN gave Israel 54% of the land, but they took 77% of the land, occupy an additional 22%, and have completely blockaded the last 1% both by sea and land and air.

These restrictions arent necessary, how about Israel cease its West Bank occupation, tear down and dismantle its 296 illegal settlements, and remove all of more than half a million illegal settlers from the West Bank and East Jerusalem?

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This is a point I have tried to make multiple times and either failed due to my inability to express myself or because of the simple obstinacy of others. The mindset of the Palestinian is all or nothing and the capacity for violence is unlimited. That combination makes ANY CONCESSION more likely to be used against Israel than to forward a real peace. But Israel must make "tough choices".... I wonder, if those who say this had to bury THEIR children how ready they would be to make further tough choices?

I recently found an article about Ruth Dayan. She said that Israel was going down the wrong path. The reporter struck me as a Socialist and it seemed that Ruth Dayan and Ann Dunham could have been best friends. Ruth reminisced about the old days how Jew and Arab lived together in peace. But it was clear that she was viewing her memories through rose colored glasses. Exodus is one of my favorite movies too. But what is ignored here is that Islamic dogma makes peace impossible. As long as the Jew was the minority living under Muslim dominance, then of course, they lived in peace. But as soon as the Jew increased in number, the Muslim was forced to have to share authority with Allah. And that is one of the biggest no-nos in Islam. The Mufti’s hands were tied and the fate of the Palestinian was sealed. Until great reform takes place within Islam, there can be no peace with Islam. That is the way it has been for 1400 years. Israel has to make tough choices. It may not be well received, but the sooner and all out that they do it, the better. Just as Jordan did it. It ultimately saved more lives than it took.

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This is a point I have tried to make multiple times and either failed due to my inability to express myself or because of the simple obstinacy of others. The mindset of the Palestinian is all or nothing and the capacity for violence is unlimited. That combination makes ANY CONCESSION more likely to be used against Israel than to forward a real peace. But Israel must make "tough choices".... I wonder, if those who say this had to bury THEIR children how ready they would be to make further tough choices?

The main deterrent of peace in Israel/Palestine is the occupation and the illegal settlements.

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I recently found an article about Ruth Dayan. She said that Israel was going down the wrong path. The reporter struck me as a Socialist and it seemed that Ruth Dayan and Ann Dunham could have been best friends. Ruth reminisced about the old days how Jew and Arab lived together in peace. But it was clear that she was viewing her memories through rose colored glasses. Exodus is one of my favorite movies too. But what is ignored here is that Islamic dogma makes peace impossible. As long as the Jew was the minority living under Muslim dominance, then of course, they lived in peace. But as soon as the Jew increased in number, the Muslim was forced to have to share authority with Allah. And that is one of the biggest no-nos in Islam. The Mufti's hands were tied and the fate of the Palestinian was sealed. Until great reform takes place within Islam, there can be no peace with Islam. That is the way it has been for 1400 years. Israel has to make tough choices. It may not be well received, but the sooner and all out that they do it, the better. Just as Jordan did it. It ultimately saved more lives than it took.

I hate to tell you this but the movie Exodus was pure fiction, adapted from a novel by Leon Uris.

It is full of historical biased distortions and cliche-ridden garbage... if that is the full measure of your Israel/Palestine history. Hahaha!

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The main deterrent of peace in Israel/Palestine is the occupation and the illegal settlements.

Israel could vacate every square inch of land that the Palestinians claim is occupied and they STILL would be harassed and killed. Read the Qur'an Bug. Arafat formed the Palestine LIBERATION Organization in 1964. Three full years prior to the so called occupation of the "West Bank" and Gaza. What was he trying to liberate at that time, Bug? Why can't you be honest for th sake of discussion and admit that the Palestinians feel that ALL the land is their's?

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Israel could vacate every square inch of land that the Palestinians claim is occupied and they STILL would be harassed and killed. Read the Qur'an Bug. Arafat formed the Palestine LIBERATION Organization in 1964. Three full years prior to the so called occupation of the "West Bank" and Gaza. What was he trying to liberate at that time, Bug? Why can't you be honest for th sake of discussion and admit that the Palestinians feel that ALL the land is their's?

Why can't you be honest for the sake of discussion and admit that the Israeli's feel that ALL the land is their's?

That is the real reason for the occupation and settlements afterall. An intentional obstacle presented in the way of Palestine ever becoming a viable state.

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Why can't you be honest for the sake of discussion and admit that the Israeli's feel that ALL the land is their's?

That is the real reason for the occupation and settlements afterall. An intentional obstacle presented in the way of Palestine ever becoming a viable state.

I have often made that statement....as well as concurring with it's validity IMO.... But still you avoid answering. Why is it so hard?

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I have often made that statement....as well as concurring with it's validity IMO.... But still you avoid answering. Why is it so hard?

First the Balfour Declaration was made without consulting the Arabs even after the MacMahon-Hussein correspondance. The Arabs also never agreed to the UN 1947 Partition Plan either as they justly felt it was unfair to alot most of the land, the best of the land, to an immigrant minority.

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First the Balfour Declaration was made without consulting the Arabs even after the MacMahon-Hussein correspondance. The Arabs also never agreed to the UN 1947 Partition Plan either as they justly felt it was unfair to alot most of the land, the best of the land, to an immigrant minority.

So your point is that Israel is an illegitimate State, or as the Arabs like to say - Zionist Entity. Fine. You and they are absolutely within your rights to FEEL about the situation any way you want... But about 6 million Jewish human beings live on the land now, despite multiple attempts to strangle the nascent State in the crib. They have the best military in the region - one of the best in the world. They have nuclear weapons. And most importantly they have an unbreakable will to survive. The one thing they lack and that the common Israeli seems to want more than anything else is PEACE. There is a strong peace movement and the government will eventually bow to pressure by the world again and they will attempt to make the "tough choices" and give the Palestinians a lot of what they desire. And then the Palestinians who never missed a chance to miss a chance, will start attacking them yet again. And supporters of the Palis will continue to decry Israeli aggression. And the really sickening thing is that no one seems to see the end of the season of trouble and what fruit all this is going to bear eventually.

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How does 1,300 years of dominance in Palestine qualify as squatting? Can Native Americans in 1,100 years from now call Americans squatters? And boot us out? Send us to Canada and Mexico to live as refugees?

As was brought out in the Documentary film Al Nakba, Most of the land in Palestine was owned by absentee owners. Jews came in and started buying up the land legally. Just because the former legal land owners in the Ottoman Empire either didn’t care or were incapable of removing squatters off of their land does not mean that Jews were under any obligation to continue that policy. For 1300 years those that would eventually be known as Palestinian never did anything to secure that land for themselves.

Well, if the Native American has the funds available, they could start buying up land and then chase off any one on those lands. And that would go for the Canadian and Mexican natives as well. But I don’t see that happening.

Who is ultimately responsible for the Refugees? Israel is. Israel needs to grant the right of return to the refugees.

Ultimately, it is the Palestinian that is responsible. They had 1300 years to correct things before the $-hit hit the fan. Now 20% of the Israeli population is Arab and some of those were able to present a proper land deed. Israel doesn’t need to grant them anything. They haven’t earned the right. To show that they are willing to live as equals.

Hey, Israel recognized the UN partition not the Arabs. The UN gave Israel 54% of the land, but they took 77% of the land, occupy an additional 22%, and have completely blockaded the last 1% both by sea and land and air.

That’s right, the Arab did not. Israel was willing to coexist but Islamic doctrine rejected that. The UN partition is a joke. Just look at it. It divides Israel and Palestine into three separate pieces. There is no way for either peoples to be secure in their own nation.

These restrictions arent necessary, how about Israel cease its West Bank occupation, tear down and dismantle its 296 illegal settlements, and remove all of more than half a million illegal settlers from the West Bank and East Jerusalem?

There’s no reason? Before these restrictions, before occupation of the West Bank, Israel had to put up with suicide bombers and rocket attacks. The only thing Israel can do is to neutralize those threats. Those threats have been repeated over and over again and Israel reacts just a little bit more severely every time.

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I hate to tell you this but the movie Exodus was pure fiction, adapted from a novel by Leon Uris.

It is full of historical biased distortions and cliche-ridden garbage... if that is the full measure of your Israel/Palestine history. Hahaha!

And the screenplay was written by Dalton Trumbo. Leon did deep research on the subject as novelists Cornelius Ryan, Tom Clancy, Tom Wolfe, or even Thomas Harlan did for their novels.

It’s not pure fiction. But it is a Hollywood/dramatic representation of the situation. Can you not tell between reality and fantasy? Very much like “The Right Stuff”. It’s not exactly historical but if you want to relay the general feel of what it was like, you watch that movie. Movies like this are at a different level than being factually accurate.

But you missed the point. What Ruth was saying sounded like she was either remembering the movie “Exodus” or that perhaps she was one of Leon’s sources.

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And these are just the Iran myths . There are 9 for every topic you can think of .Food,health care,medicine,schooling,jobs,name it.

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There was nothing to correct. The Palestinians were doing just fine.

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There was nothing to correct. The Palestinians were doing just fine.

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Imagine the peace and growth they could have had these 60 years had they just compromised instead of retrenched into irreconcilable hatred and venom. Tragic, really....

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Imagine the peace and growth they could have had these 60 years had they just compromised instead of retrenched into irreconcilable hatred and venom. Tragic, really....

Arent you the one always saying you will never compromise with Islam?

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And the screenplay was written by Dalton Trumbo. Leon did deep research on the subject as novelists Cornelius Ryan, Tom Clancy, Tom Wolfe, or even Thomas Harlan did for their novels.

It's not pure fiction. But it is a Hollywood/dramatic representation of the situation. Can you not tell between reality and fantasy? Very much like "The Right Stuff". It's not exactly historical but if you want to relay the general feel of what it was like, you watch that movie. Movies like this are at a different level than being factually accurate.

But you missed the point. What Ruth was saying sounded like she was either remembering the movie "Exodus" or that perhaps she was one of Leon's sources.

Get a clue, never rely on Hollywood for historic accuracy or authenticity. It has a long very lousy record.

I have never read the Leon Uris book and dont care to, because it belongs in the Historical Fiction bookshelves.

Exodus the movie is typical movie propagandist piece made by none other than Jewrywood. Get a clue and learn some real history.

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As was brought out in the Documentary film Al Nakba, Most of the land in Palestine was owned by absentee owners. Jews came in and started buying up the land legally. Just because the former legal land owners in the Ottoman Empire either didn't care or were incapable of removing squatters off of their land does not mean that Jews were under any obligation to continue that policy. For 1300 years those that would eventually be known as Palestinian never did anything to secure that land for themselves.

The Jews only bought and owned 7% of Palestine. The 1947 Partition Plan gave the Jews an additions 48% of Palestine they didnt buy or own.

Well, if the Native American has the funds available, they could start buying up land and then chase off any one on those lands. And that would go for the Canadian and Mexican natives as well. But I don't see that happening.

Ultimately, it is the Palestinian that is responsible. They had 1300 years to correct things before the $-hit hit the fan. Now 20% of the Israeli population is Arab and some of those were able to present a proper land deed. Israel doesn't need to grant them anything. They haven't earned the right. To show that they are willing to live as equals.

Hey wait a minute, the Jews possessed land deeds to 7% of Palestine, and they were the immigrants.

That's right, the Arab did not. Israel was willing to coexist but Islamic doctrine rejected that. The UN partition is a joke. Just look at it. It divides Israel and Palestine into three separate pieces. There is no way for either peoples to be secure in their own nation.

There's no reason? Before these restrictions, before occupation of the West Bank, Israel had to put up with suicide bombers and rocket attacks. The only thing Israel can do is to neutralize those threats. Those threats have been repeated over and over again and Israel reacts just a little bit more severely every time.

The Arab Palestinians fully agree with you 100% in that the Partition Plan was a joke HOWEVER the Zionist disagreed with you. Hmmm... isnt that interesting. Most of your post is spewing out alot myths without a clue about the border aggravations Israel pulled against its neighboring Arab countries throughout the 50s and 60s IN ORDER to justify further aggression and war.

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Arent you the one always saying you will never compromise with Islam?

No I do not say that. I said Islam doesn't compromise. The problem here Stellar is that folks make it personal with me, I think because I am a Zionist, and assume all sorts of things rather than just read my words. I didn't just wake up one day and decide to hate anyone. I don't hate Muslims. But if you actually read the Qur'an and some of the Hadith you begin to understand that those who struck the West are not really extremists - they are just the more devout and literal of their faith. IOW they actually put the faith into practice as true believers. As a Christian my Bible tells me (and I believe enough to die for the knowledge) that Jesus is "the way, the truth and the life and NO ONE comes to God except through Him". A devout Muslim believes that there is no god but Allah and that Mohammed is his messenger. That Mohammad's life was perfect and worthy of emulation. ANYTHING Muhammad did in life is perfect and Muhammad called on the faithful to kill a LOT of people - never compromising except to gain greater victories down the road....

What I said in that post was in response to Yam's little video of how peaceful and productive Palestine was prior to the influx of mostly European Jewry in 1948. I was pointing out that the Palestinians could have had peace and prosperity for many of these intervening 6 decades had they been willing to compromise and live side by side with the Israelis. They simply can not and will not ever do it before Christ returns to rule here on this planet. I think my problem is that since I actually DO believe in the eschatology of the Bible I am convinced that all these things are happening for a reason and are happening now because the time is nearly here. Not next month or even next year probably but here in ways it never has been in my lifetime and I HAVE been watching the signs.

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