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Id rather trust the market before I trusted the government. Why would you trust a government who has allowed this to take place?

Simple...

First, your proposed system (free market capitalism) has never existed. It is pure speculation and for whatever reason, in this speculation, you think a bunch of selfish, greedy, business men are the answer. Fact: People are selfish...but yet you think unchecked selfishness is the answer. You cannot get rid of a CEO or a corporation...

Second, granted the goverment has allowed this to take place, but more importantly, the people allowed this to take this. Whatever excuse you want to find for why people let this happen, the fact of the matter is that they did. Our government is made up of elected officials. If you think they do a crappy job, you can fire them...is that not what people are trying to do to Obama? For whatever reason, we do not fire them...I guess because some people believe them...But you can fire them. That is the difference. Our government has been and always will be elected...it can be checked. A corporation (in free market capitalism) is left unchecked, so there is no way to control them. When they do amass great wealth, and they will, they will form a monopoly and snuff out any competition because they have the money and power to do so. The people will be pawns to the corporation just as they are in a dictatorship. The corporation will become your form of government, a dictatorship.

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The problem with Obama's pandering to women by giving them free birth control is that the average co-pay on BC for women in America is $15.00 a month. Just because the government says it's now free it doesn't magically become free. That cost will be made up for by yet another increase in premiums.

So take every women in the USA that get BC through insurance multiply that number by $15.00, and add that to your employers premuims. The republicans are not trying to outlaw birth control they're trying to keep insurances increases lower. How can people not get that?

I get that, but BC has other uses other than contraception. BC pills are hormones, which many women are prescribed by their doctor to help hormone issues. Many remark that it is strange that insurance covers Viagra, But not BC. BC has application which go beyond preventing pregnacy, but Viagra has no other purpose than a sexual one. So if insurance companies do not want to cover BC then they should not cover viagra either as it only has a single purpose in comparison BC which has another medical purpose.

RUSH's misogynistic comment about not wanting to pay women to have sex is not only flawed, but it seems he is very willing to pay for other men to have sex. Viagra needs to be taken prior to each sexual encounter, while BC, must be taken regardless of frequency of sexaul activity. Viagra is per-use more expensive than BC.

What does Viagra costs to that premuim? It is an issue of whose needs are more important.

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I get that, but BC has other uses other than contraception. BC pills are hormones, which many women are prescribed by their doctor to help hormone issues. Many remark that it is strange that insurance covers Viagra, But not BC. BC has application which go beyond preventing pregnacy, but Viagra has no other purpose than a sexual one. So if insurance companies do not want to cover BC then they should not cover viagra either as it only has a single purpose in comparison BC which has another medical purpose.

RUSH's misogynistic comment about not wanting to pay women to have sex is not only flawed, but it seems he is very willing to pay for other men to have sex. Viagra needs to be taken prior to each sexual encounter, while BC, must be taken regardless of frequency of sexaul activity. Viagra is per-use more expensive than BC.

What does Viagra costs to that premuim? It is an issue of whose needs are more important.

Viagra is a very interesting point that I never thought of...that is weird...

I also agree about BC. I made the comment to my wife about these high school girls having flawless skin even though they are in their teens...she said it is because they are on BC. The hormones are good for the skin. BC is also recomended to women with irregular periods.

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Viagra is a very interesting point that I never thought of...that is weird...

I also agree about BC. I made the comment to my wife about these high school girls having flawless skin even though they are in their teens...she said it is because they are on BC. The hormones are good for the skin. BC is also recomended to women with irregular periods.

It is very simple: Viagra helps get women pregnant, the pill avoids it. Avoiding getting women pregnant very bad, you go to hell!

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Simple...

First, your proposed system (free market capitalism) has never existed. It is pure speculation and for whatever reason, in this speculation, you think a bunch of selfish, greedy, business men are the answer. Fact: People are selfish...but yet you think unchecked selfishness is the answer. You cannot get rid of a CEO or a corporation...

I know a bunch of greedy selfish businessmen are the answer. In fact its cause of thier greed, if of course they were on a even playing field, that the price for insurance would drop dramaticaly. If the market were open, and any insurance company could operate in any state, what do you think would happen if you had 50 companies to choose from, instead of 2? All 50 companies cutting each others throat for your money. Could you not then get rid of a CEO, or company? Of course you could. Its the government on both the state and federal level that has allowed them to create monopolies. For any other industry, that would be illegal.

Second, granted the goverment has allowed this to take place, but more importantly, the people allowed this to take this. Whatever excuse you want to find for why people let this happen, the fact of the matter is that they did. Our government is made up of elected officials. If you think they do a crappy job, you can fire them...is that not what people are trying to do to Obama? For whatever reason, we do not fire them...I guess because some people believe them...But you can fire them. That is the difference. Our government has been and always will be elected...it can be checked. A corporation (in free market capitalism) is left unchecked, so there is no way to control them. When they do amass great wealth, and they will, they will form a monopoly and snuff out any competition because they have the money and power to do so. The people will be pawns to the corporation just as they are in a dictatorship. The corporation will become your form of government, a dictatorship.

In a true free market system, you can fire them. What you are describing here is a catch 22. On one hand you tell me government is the answer, and we need socialised insurance. Then on the other hand admit government is the problem cause corperations are able to buy them off. You are right in saying the people allowed this. And it will continue till the people no longer allow it. I for one would rather go with a system where the government can no long have thier hands in it at all. They caused all this.

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I wonder if (or hopefully when) they produce male birth control, will that be paid for by insurance agencies?

Probably, they pay for Viagra.

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I know a bunch of greedy selfish businessmen are the answer. In fact its cause of thier greed, if of course they were on a even playing field, that the price for insurance would drop dramaticaly. If the market were open, and any insurance company could operate in any state, what do you think would happen if you had 50 companies to choose from, instead of 2? All 50 companies cutting each others throat for your money. Could you not then get rid of a CEO, or company? Of course you could. Its the government on both the state and federal level that has allowed them to create monopolies. For any other industry, that would be illegal.

I do not buy your premise. I do not understand why so many thing unregulated greed is the answer. This theory only works in the beginnings of an economic system, before major corporations are established. Once a market is created, one cannot simply enter the market. The market will already be dominated by the "best" corporation. Also, capital is needed to make capital. One must have capital to start a business and will be at a severe disadvantage compared to established corporation. This competition you see does not exist in an established market. You may start with 50 companies and it would be cut-throat, until one or 2 companies came out as the winners. If it was 2 companies, they could then merge to fully control the market. With full domination of the market, they would snuff out any competition. One may argue that a corporation cannot have control of the market because they will specialize in different things, thus they cannot have full control. Except for the fact that they can. It is called vertical integration. A corporation keeps integrating parts of its business into itself, eventually controlling all aspects...this makes them all powerful. Your idea that monopolies will not form is pure speculation. Like I said, this model is only theoretical...it has never existe. We have, however, seen monopolies form. More importantly, we have seen what greed can lead to. Greed is limitless. To say my proposal would not happen is totally speculative and not supporting of history. We see what greed does and what corporations do. Corporations act as individuals...selfish, violent, and ruthless.

In a true free market system, you can fire them. What you are describing here is a catch 22. On one hand you tell me government is the answer, and we need socialised insurance. Then on the other hand admit government is the problem cause corperations are able to buy them off. You are right in saying the people allowed this. And it will continue till the people no longer allow it. I for one would rather go with a system where the government can no long have thier hands in it at all. They caused all this.

If you are going to refute me, please explain how. HOW can you fire them?

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I do not buy your premise. I do not understand why so many thing unregulated greed is the answer. This theory only works in the beginnings of an economic system, before major corporations are established. Once a market is created, one cannot simply enter the market. The market will already be dominated by the "best" corporation. Also, capital is needed to make capital. One must have capital to start a business and will be at a severe disadvantage compared to established corporation. This competition you see does not exist in an established market. You may start with 50 companies and it would be cut-throat, until one or 2 companies came out as the winners. If it was 2 companies, they could then merge to fully control the market. With full domination of the market, they would snuff out any competition. One may argue that a corporation cannot have control of the market because they will specialize in different things, thus they cannot have full control. Except for the fact that they can. It is called vertical integration. A corporation keeps integrating parts of its business into itself, eventually controlling all aspects...this makes them all powerful. Your idea that monopolies will not form is pure speculation. Like I said, this model is only theoretical...it has never existe. We have, however, seen monopolies form. More importantly, we have seen what greed can lead to. Greed is limitless. To say my proposal would not happen is totally speculative and not supporting of history. We see what greed does and what corporations do. Corporations act as individuals...selfish, violent, and ruthless.

What is there not to buy about it? There are hundreds of examples of just that. Look at car insurance. There are several different companies to choose from. Every few years I get a bunch of quotes. And many times companies that I couldnt afford last time, end up being cheaper cause thier competition forced them to lower there prices in order to compete. You can go right down the line and see examples from your local mechanic, to office cleaning companies. This isnt some imaginary senerio. It happens every single day.

If you are going to refute me, please explain how. HOW can you fire them?

You call em up and say, you are fired. Then you go with a different company.

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What is there not to buy about it? There are hundreds of examples of just that. Look at car insurance. There are several different companies to choose from. Every few years I get a bunch of quotes. And many times companies that I couldnt afford last time, end up being cheaper cause thier competition forced them to lower there prices in order to compete. You can go right down the line and see examples from your local mechanic, to office cleaning companies. This isnt some imaginary senerio. It happens every single day.

You call em up and say, you are fired. Then you go with a different company.

Free Market Capitalism is a theoretical model. We have government regulated capitalism.

You changing companies does not fire them. What if they are the only company?

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