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DHS orders 160 billion rounds of ammo

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Alright, so Im a republican, and I am glad Romney is now up 7 points. We know have a some U.S Warships parked outside of Iran (Facing) as well as the DHS just ordered 160 Billion rounds of ammo recentley and the Social Security Administration ordered just shy of 200k this month and back in march ordered 450 million. Wouldn't it be something if Obama just launches something to keep himself in office and declare himself El Presidente and scratches the voting arrangement. Most people are buying this ammo in case he gets re-elected and more importantly to prepare for a civil unrest. Scary stuff. Romney has been crushing him in the Debates and all Obama wants is 4 more years to progress. Well like Eastwood said "Politicians work for us, and if their not doing the job correctly, lets let someone else in"

I just truly hope this election goes smoothly without any bumps in the road prior to it. We do not even have a Democrat in the office. To much has been done to define the term socialist. He wants total government control in peoples lives. The scariest part is ive seen so many videos of analysts asking people at the Democratic convention, would you support obama if he does this?? And they say things like "well, i dont know what that is but if Obama supports it then sure".... And that folks is why we are where we are in the country, people dont understand the history of this country or the economics.

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A close election will be our undoing. He will fight in court until he is thwarted by the Supremes or is given another term. If he is thwarted he literally could make statements that would cause civil unrest. Hopefully he isn't that evil but I wouldn't bet on it.

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If America ever does wonder why the rest of the world sometimes looks at it slightly askance, the post above provides all the answers one might seek. i wonder where this hysterical paranoia about Obama came from? It truly is a most bemusing phenomenon.

Perhaps the most bemusing thing of all is that there still seem to be people who cling with diehard allegiance to their particular party. They really cannot seem to see that there is no difference whatsoever between any of them, because in the end all the important factors are always out of their control.

Not true, there were some democrats I did not have a problem with. But a socilast mindset BIGGG PROBLEM with. And there is major major differences between Republicans and Democrats.

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A close election will be our undoing. He will fight in court until he is thwarted by the Supremes or is given another term. If he is thwarted he literally could make statements that would cause civil unrest. Hopefully he isn't that evil but I wouldn't bet on it.

Hey And Then.. If he gets over run by Romney, in terms of voted out of office... What would he fight in court about, he would have lost all power isnt that correct??

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If America ever does wonder why the rest of the world sometimes looks at it slightly askance, the post above provides all the answers one might seek. i wonder where this hysterical paranoia about Obama came from? It truly is a most bemusing phenomenon.

Perhaps the most bemusing thing of all is that there still seem to be people who cling with diehard allegiance to their particular party. They really cannot seem to see that there is no difference whatsoever between any of them, because in the end all the important factors are always out of their control.

I think one of our strengths is that we don't much care how askance the world views us. And that isn't a taunt or a nod to our improper arrogance at times - it's just a byproduct of our hardheaded attitude about freedom. As to the situation with Obama - I hate the man's attitude and his arrogance (ironic right?) in the way he has discharged his office over these past 4 years. He had an opportunity at the outset to make real and lasting changes in the culture of Washington. He had enormous political capital and he squandered that power by being petty and forcing his agenda through rather than working in concert and with a bipartisan effort. Consider that he had TOTAL CONTROL for the first 24 months. The only thing he accomplished was to put in place a (much needed in theory) health system that the great majority did not trust or accept. He then went on to sign multiple executive orders to bypass the congressional rules and even made a few very controversial recess appointments that angered the Right. IOW he refused to work and play well with others. And if Romney is elected he may well have to attempt to "govern" in the same way since the level of anger is so high in Obama's wake that no one wants to compromise. America is at the brink of some big changes and it isn't going to be amusing if they all turn out to be negative. All countries fail eventually but if they cast a worldwide shadow then all the world shares awhile in the misery of the transition.
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Hey And Then.. If he gets over run by Romney, in terms of voted out of office... What would he fight in court about, he would have lost all power isnt that correct??

I'm saying that if the electoral count is very close as it was in 2000 and he decides to challenge the ballot in several States it could go on for months until it is sent to the Supreme Court - just like in 2000. And if it goes that far and he loses then he can actually cause civil unrest by giving a speech if he wanted to.

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So do you think its possible that he sent these warships to Iran, not just to scare them but to maybe stir something up in order to keep himself in office that much longer?? I guess I was never really nervous until, actually, a few days ago, that he may (if he goes) he may not go quietly?

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So do you think its possible that he sent these warships to Iran, not just to scare them but to maybe stir something up in order to keep himself in office that much longer?? I guess I was never really nervous until, actually, a few days ago, that he may (if he goes) he may not go quietly?

That's right, like Bush was going to do, wasn't he. he was going to provoke wars in order to- oh, wait. :unsure2:

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That's right, like Bush was going to do, wasn't he. he was going to provoke wars in order to- oh, wait. :unsure2:

Bush did not provoke a war before his time was up on office. If that were the case he would have stayed on board. This isn't about Bush. get back to the matter at hand. The first post. We have DHS, SSA, ordering so much ammo, as well as destroyers facing Iran.. makes you think, but hope nothing happens. Is obama that crazy to do something like that to keep himself in office just that much longer. It's chaotic thinking about it. The white house has never faced ANYTHING like this before. No president has put so much threat into this country in a vast 4 years as one man has. Since 1776, we had pretty much ONE big terrorist attack 9/11, (Civil War, ok) But foreign-affairs. What Im saying is that USA has sailed along pretty smoothly, all things considered until these last four years of this man going against the constitution, waiving it by his own hand. Having government involved in everyone affairs. It's not the American way, and it sure as hell is not a Democratic or Republican way. I like what "AND THEN:" said on his second post.

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If it happens,it WON'T MATTER WHO IS IN OFFICE .It never has ,and it never will . Puppetry of the penis,of the highest order .

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So do you think its possible that he sent these warships to Iran, not just to scare them but to maybe stir something up in order to keep himself in office that much longer?? I guess I was never really nervous until, actually, a few days ago, that he may (if he goes) he may not go quietly?

Hey Lucid.

If you dont mind me asking, what exactly do you think is the difference between 0bama and Romney?

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i wonder where this hysterical paranoia about Obama came from?

Hindsight is irrelevant. If there's fear in the air then it's already too late.

because in the end all the important factors are always out of their control.

I've never heard that argument so much as I have in the last four years. In fact, I don't recall hearing that ever during the beginning if the century. Hmm, anyhow given that that's true the importance of the role of POTUS falls on leadership. Good leaders unite and motivate. Bad leaders divide and separate and incite mob mentality. The entire ows movement was proof of that and they followed the model of bad leadership and look at what a failure that was. Didn't they want a workplace without management? Yes, they did. An environment run by the people with no leadership. Yea right, that can't work. It's just impossible. Well on Capitol Hill, evidence of bad leadership is abound. Congress is wholly divided and so are we. A better leader could possibly get people to shake hands once in a while. I know it's not easy but that's how things work at its basest form. Romney may well be just as ineffective but he does at least have a history of proven leadership skills under his belt.

A close election will be our undoing. He will fight in court until he is thwarted by the Supremes or is given another term. If he is thwarted he literally could make statements that would cause civil unrest. Hopefully he isn't that evil but I wouldn't bet on it.

I agree he could easily incite riots with 10 seconds of mic time. Wether he would or not remains to be seen.

This isn't about Bush. get back to the matter at hand.

Ha, that's funny. You can't be that naive. During the Romney Obama second debate, did you watch? There was a five minute intermission sideshow where Romney had to debate Bush!

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So I need to ask has Obama personally killed the pets of some members here? Because some of the claims made seem very personal and completely irrational.

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So I need to ask has Obama personally killed the pets of some members here? Because some of the claims made seem very personal and completely irrational.

Hmm...now that you mention it I did have a dog die tragically during this administration. I'll add it to my nObama list!

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Wouldn't it be something if Obama just launches something to keep himself in office and declare himself El Presidente and scratches the voting arrangement.

An awful lot of anti-Obama sentiment is not based on anything that Obama has done in office at all, but in wild speculation of what he MIGHT do. None of which he has actually done.

He hasn't done ANYTHING in regard to second amendment rights, yet the right keeps insisting he will or is about to. So there's the usual nonsense that is driving up the cost of ammo... and for a weekly sporting clays shooter like myself, I don't appreciate your horse**** paranoia, as it's actually costing me money.

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Right Neo. I mean, its not like the guy gave himself the power to shoot us on sight with no due process. Oh wait.

Well it not like he fully supported stealing trillions from the tax payer to give to his bankster friends. Oh wait.

We gotta give credit where its due. Its not as if he is forcing Americans to pay for services from private for profit insurance companies. MMM

Well, at least he didnt reapoint the man who one week before the crash of 08 told us everything was fine and the worst was behind us. Then gave away trillions of our tax dollars to foriegn banks. Oh wait.

At least he put a end to the TSA molesting our wives and children just to get on a plane. RRR mm

Well one good thing, at least he didnt continue and advance these unconstitutional undeclared wars in the middle east. That would have been really bad. darn it.

Why are you defending this guy again?

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160 Billion? That's not a really big number, in the long term. DHS has around 200,000 employees. This is a one time order, so what we're talking 160b divided by 200,000 employees, that's 800,000 rounds per employee. Over ten years that about 6700 rounds per employees for ten years. That's comes out to about 55 rounds per months over ten years. Most DHS law enforcement divisions practice with their firearms to the tune of a couple hundred rounds per month. So really, I would have expected this number to be much higher. Even if it's for five years, that number is still only 110 rounds per month to practice with, this doesn't include duty rounds to be carried on duty so even if it's for 2.5 years, it still only comes out to a handful of duty rounds per agent per month. Not a big concern, when all the facts are looked at.

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Yeah 55 rounds a month is nothing, though I doubt all 200,000 employees would be carrying guns. Still this is nothing more than pointless paranoia. Obama is going to take complete control and kill everyone or some other crap. Still waiting for anything remotely like that to happen.

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And I thought I was paranoid. :ph34r:

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You are, but I still like you. :w00t:

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You are, but I still like you. :w00t:

At least I'm not as nuts as the guy that started this thread!!
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Yeah 55 rounds a month is nothing, though I doubt all 200,000 employees would be carrying guns. Still this is nothing more than pointless paranoia. Obama is going to take complete control and kill everyone or some other crap. Still waiting for anything remotely like that to happen.

Home land has now bought over 10 times the amount they have in any other year. This is an arms race between the government and the people.

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Home land has now bought over 10 times the amount they have in any other year. This is an arms race between the government and the people.

Well, unless you know some people with nukes, drones, and cruise missiles, I am pretty sure you aren't going to win any arms races with the U.S. Government.

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Right Neo. I mean, its not like the guy gave himself the power to shoot us on sight with no due process. Oh wait.

You are right to be upset about the patriot act and NDAA. But you should be upset at Bush, Congress, and Obama.

Most of the other things you listed are obvious half truths. I'm very much in favor of Obamacare, he drew down in Iraq, did NOT get us involved in Syria, Egypt, Algeria, or Libya.... all nations that were heavily involved in the Arab Spring. We did not put boots on the ground. So I'm not sure what you are saying about advancing wars in the middle east. Care to elaborate?

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