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Simbi Laveau

The Exorcists 40yr old secret

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So last night,I went to The Macabre Grim fair .

http://www.livingdeadmafia.com/

I like to do something Halloween related ,once a weekend ,all October long.

One of the guests ,is a woman named Eileen Dietz.

Now having seen the exorcist ,opening night ,as a,child ,left a lasting impression upon me.

My mom made me read the book,before she would allow me to see them movie .

My mom was a single parent ,with no money for a baby sitter . She took me with her to these movies,for which she had read the book .

These books were blockbuster best sellers at the time.

So I read jaws,the other ,and the exorcist,despite my age,long before they came out.

I always said :no ma,the book didn't scare me .

So I was very young when I saw the exorcist .

I watched all the interviews ,read articles .

The full compliment of facts of the case the oobookis based upon ,didn't even come out ,until decades later.

It was rumored,it was also loosely based on Shirley McClaines daughter . The character ,even the last name ,is very close to the facts as well . Shirley,if no one knows this,packed her daughter up ,and shipped her off the Japan ,as a teenager .She lived there for years . No one ever knew why,but it was suggested ,it was after the exorcism ,and she did it to keep her in an environment,devoid of a lot of Catholicism .

It's possible,if you ask me ,and the story is a combination of the two cases .

All that aside ,as I just wanted to convey just how into the whole exorcist story I was.

So ,I met this woman ,Eileen,last night ,and she was touted as the face you see. The white face with the blackened eyes that flashes on the screen here and there .Pazuzu with a "human" face .

But,what she told us ,stunned me .

At the time of filming .1970-71 I think. No one was allowed on the set ,save crew and actors . No press.Everyone was gag ordered .No one was allowed to take and keep photos,including the princlple photographer.

She said william freidkin was an utter dictator.

Most of the actors were loners. The star was a child,usually in the company of her mother.

(I did ask about the alleged curse .She didnt seem to want to go into detail ,but she said; yes,a lot of odd occurances ,and bad luck befell most of the cast ,in one way or another,including death ,or close relative death .)

So she kept talking,and I realized ,she kept referring to herself as the character ,Reagan.

So I asked what she meant.

The scenes where the child is possessed by the demon,are her,not Linda Blair.

A secret that is now about to be 40 years old.

The 40th anniversary of the movie,is 2013.

She said she's written a book about it all. It will be out on kindle first ,but it sounds fascinating . She does the horror circuit ,so she does conventions a lot.

She was also in Planet of the Apes ,and did a few soap operas .

I think,in the original movie,she is completely uncredited .

She said she doubts it would ever be remade ,given the curse . She said its absolutely based on a true story ,and she herself is not sure if exorcism is a valid recourse in such instances ,but its definately utilized a lot .

She said in total,six people created the full character of Reagan McNeil ,and if that had come out at the time ,instead of being such a secret,so it seemed as if a little girl did it all,they might have won more than just two oscars.

All in all,a fascinating story . All these years,and I never knew .

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Wow, thats interesting. I didnt know all of that.

Thanks, this is something I will research tonite, Simbi. :tu:

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I saw the Exorcist and found it scary. I would like to see it again this Halloween. I saw a story on the history channel that it was based on the possession of this kid that ended up in St. Louis, wasn't where he was from, where they had the exorcism. Wish I could remember his name.

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I saw the Exorcist and found it scary. I would like to see it again this Halloween. I saw a story on the history channel that it was based on the possession of this kid that ended up in St. Louis, wasn't where he was from, where they had the exorcism. Wish I could remember his name.

I've heard this story two ways . The boy was from the Washington dc area .Which is how William peter blatty found out about.When he was in college in the dc area,he heard the rumors ,and he investigated it .

Then ,the other version ,it was a boy from st Louis . I believe it was one boy,and they moved .From DC *to* st Louis .

The final exorcism took place in st Louis ,and the priest did not die . He actually was the priest who married the boy later in life.

The boy is a man now,and completely fine.

I'm not sure why Blatty made it a girl ,unless of course it is as I suspect ,a composite of two possession stories ,one boy,one girl.

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I adore The Exorcist! Dietz plays the part of Regan during the scene where she slaps her mother (Ellen Burstyn) because Friedkin wanted a more forceful vision for the attack. She also is in the actual pea soup vomiting scene as Linda was having trouble with the mechanism I think. She plays the famous Captain Howdy demon face that appears periodically (and quite wonderfully!) I don't believe she is in many more scenes, it's 80% Linda Blair and her face and mannerisms that are present throughout, you can tell that is her. Linda originally did the demon's voice too but was overdubbed for a much more powerful and daunting effect by a woman called Mercedes McCambridge (she even ate raw eggs to make her voice really messed up!) and as a result Blair didn't win the Academy Award as many felt she duped them as Friedkin didn't give MM credit. Who the heck could expect a child to conjure up a hellish voice like that though?? All of the performances in the film are outstanding and it is a very beautiful film at the heart, of love and faith and struggle. I feel it is more of a drama than a horror film.

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Quite frankly, the way my mind has occassional weird thoughts, sometimes I think I might need an exorcism.

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I saw the Exorcist and found it scary. I would like to see it again this Halloween. I saw a story on the history channel that it was based on the possession of this kid that ended up in St. Louis, wasn't where he was from, where they had the exorcism. Wish I could remember his name.

Douglas Deen. I wonder what important knowledge my brain purged so I could retain that fact... ; )

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I adore The Exorcist! Dietz plays the part of Regan during the scene where she slaps her mother (Ellen Burstyn) because Friedkin wanted a more forceful vision for the attack. She also is in the actual pea soup vomiting scene as Linda was having trouble with the mechanism I think. She plays the famous Captain Howdy demon face that appears periodically (and quite wonderfully!) I don't believe she is in many more scenes, it's 80% Linda Blair and her face and mannerisms that are present throughout, you can tell that is her. Linda originally did the demon's voice too but was overdubbed for a much more powerful and daunting effect by a woman called Mercedes McCambridge (she even ate raw eggs to make her voice really messed up!) and as a result Blair didn't win the Academy Award as many felt she duped them as Friedkin didn't give MM credit. Who the heck could expect a child to conjure up a hellish voice like that though?? All of the performances in the film are outstanding and it is a very beautiful film at the heart, of love and faith and struggle. I feel it is more of a drama than a horror film.

She said she did the scenes with the statue of pazuzu in the bedroom .The cross m********ion scene ,the hypnotism scene and the end ,fighting with Karras .She said as soon as the demon shows up ,its mostly her .

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I also keep hearing rumours of a remake but if that ever happened I think I would vomit pea soup! It is untouchable and totally unnecessary except for a stupid cash cow. It would be an insult to those involved and I'm quite sure Friedkin woul sabotage the filming being the crazy man he is :D

Yes Simbi I can see how the non close up scenes would fit her profile better than Linda's, I love that statue in the bedroom scene, it's so freaking eerie! It is wonderful information you have and so cool you got to talk to someone so involved! Like MM I can see how Friedkin wouldn't credit her as much as he should.

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Yeah they had a crap load of the excorcist movies made but none of them could live up to the original

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I never saw the face in the kitchen shadow until my husband pointed it out to me. Scary!!

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I never saw the face in the kitchen shadow until my husband pointed it out to me. Scary!!

That part is only in the newer version with the added footage ,so you never noticed it,because it wasn't there in the original version .

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Yeah they had a crap load of the excorcist movies made but none of them could live up to the original

I enjoyed Exorcist 3 with George C Scott, though from what I read the big exorcism scene at the end was added at the request of the studio. I've never seen anything on what the original ending was but the exorcism certainly wasn't as tense as the original's.

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I enjoyed Exorcist 3 with George C Scott, though from what I read the big exorcism scene at the end was added at the request of the studio. I've never seen anything on what the original ending was but the exorcism certainly wasn't as tense as the original's.

I just watched it this week. Cool story .It's based on William Peter Blattys book,LEGION .

I'm sure the book has the original ending .

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I never saw the face in the kitchen shadow until my husband pointed it out to me. Scary!!

Yeah I think it was added to the later versions, as with a couple of other jump out faces, many thought there were too many cheap scares on the later version, I much prefer the unmeddled classic film!

The infamous spiderwalk scene was shot back in the 70's but Friedkin thought it was a bit tacky and you could see the wires. It was digitally edited and put in the modern releases, the author insisted the film was more true to the novel with it in but I think it has a bad interaction with the scenes around it personally. There are also more extended dialogues between characters, so I like that aspect of the later one.

I can't stand any of the following films! I do like the nursing home scene in one of them though. Isn't number 3 about the astronaut that Regan told 'You're gonna die up there' to?

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Yeah I think it was added to the later versions, as with a couple of other jump out faces, many thought there were too many cheap scares on the later version, I much prefer the unmeddled classic film!

The infamous spiderwalk scene was shot back in the 70's but Friedkin thought it was a bit tacky and you could see the wires. It was digitally edited and put in the modern releases, the author insisted the film was more true to the novel with it in but I think it has a bad interaction with the scenes around it personally. There are also more extended dialogues between characters, so I like that aspect of the later one.

I can't stand any of the following films! I do like the nursing home scene in one of them though. Isn't number 3 about the astronaut that Regan told 'You're gonna die up there' to?

Yeah I think it was added to the later versions, as with a couple of other jump out faces, many thought there were too many cheap scares on the later version, I much prefer the unmeddled classic film!

The infamous spiderwalk scene was shot back in the 70's but Friedkin thought it was a bit tacky and you could see the wires. It was digitally edited and put in the modern releases, the author insisted the film was more true to the novel with it in but I think it has a bad interaction with the scenes around it personally. There are also more extended dialogues between characters, so I like that aspect of the later one.

I can't stand any of the following films! I do like the nursing home scene in one of them though. Isn't number 3 about the astronaut that Regan told 'You're gonna die up there' to?

Three is about the cop and the priest ,from the first one.

And the spider walk was the scariest part of the book really .That's why I did.t get ite omission

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Stage actors and actresses are a superstitious bunch, so it wouldn't surprise me that silver screen/"big screen" actors/actresses would be as well and believe a curse to be on the set of the film.

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Speaking on William Peter Blatty, his best book ever is The Ninth Configuration. The movie is quite decent but the book is awesome.

IMO, blew The Exorcist and Legion outta the water. But that is for another topic altogether.

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Ah Ambush Bug reminded me that TNC is about the jolly old asronaut (at some point anyway I think). Yeah the spiderwalk in the novel creeped me out, I much preferred it to the film's depiction, I like more the second version they filmed of Regan chasing Sharon around, flicking her tongue out like a complete nutter! It also lets us see that the demon could move at will if it chose, regardless of being restrained... :cry:

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Ah Ambush Bug reminded me that TNC is about the jolly old asronaut (at some point anyway I think). Yeah the spiderwalk in the novel creeped me out, I much preferred it to the film's depiction, I like more the second version they filmed of Regan chasing Sharon around, flicking her tongue out like a complete nutter! It also lets us see that the demon could move at will if it chose, regardless of being restrained... :cry:

Thanks! Yeah

in the book, during Reagan's spiderwalk, she actually creeps up on one of the woman and licks their ankles in spiderwalk mode. It may sound abit ludicrous by description here, but Blatty deftly succeeds in making this one of the scariest flipping moments ever in horror literature I've ever read. Seriously. Otherwise the book didnt impress me as much as the movie did. I liked Legion more and The Ninth Configuration more than both of them.

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Speaking on William Peter Blatty, his best book ever is The Ninth Configuration. The movie is quite decent but the book is awesome.

IMO, blew The Exorcist and Legion outta the water. But that is for another topic altogether.

One of my all time favorite movies . I first saw it when it was called Twinkle Twinkle Killer Kane . Brilliant .

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One of my all time favorite movies . I first saw it when it was called Twinkle Twinkle Killer Kane . Brilliant .

I love this story but the book is even better Simbi. I believe it is out of print but my local library had a copy available which might be just as fruitful for yourself or a second-hand bookstore. Well worth finding a copy and the ending is quite moving too.

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It's a shame that Linda never had another notable role, I suppose there is a kind of double edged sword, on one hand you have the phenomenal success which The Exorcist brought her but on the other, you are forever typecast at a young age and nothing else you do will ever be taken seriously unless you really push at the right roles. I think she is a remarkable actress on her two performances in TE and Born Innocent.

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