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Notes on the Decline of a Great Nation

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But everyone is equal. If you want to sell your house and cars and run commercials and lobby Wash DC you can do so. Everyone has the ability to do so. All it takes is money. This is why non-profits are formed and collect donations. So that the Non-Rich can put forward their ideas in the same manner as the rich.

And because not everybody has that it converts into a privilege.

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And because not everybody has that it converts into a privilege.

Not everyone has a Car. Not everyone has a Job. Not everyone has a 60 inch TV. Not eveyone has a Pet. Not everyone has Children. Not everyone is a Legal Resident. Not everyone is a Socialist.

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And because not everybody has that it converts into a privilege.

So? Those who are rich have privilege. And can influence just about anything more then anyone else. That is a state of being rich. What do you suggest? Getting rid of the Rich? That did not work in Mao's China, or Castro's Cuba, or Stalin's CCCP.

The rich can buy 10, 20, 50 cars. Can own 3, 6, 10 homes. Is that fair? Should we (The People) take those things from them? Should we make sure no one lives in more then one house and that the house cannot exceed 300,000 dollars in value?

The rich have always directed national affairs and always will. It is true regardless of Fairness and Niceness.

We should live in that Reality, rather then day dreaming about Absolute Fairness.

Edit: Also the US strives toward Social Egalitarianism, but we don't even try to pretend to be fiscally egalitarian. If we did, there would be no Rich. There would be no super mansions. There would be no Lambodini Diablos. There would be no Cruise Ships even. Quite possibly no one would own any property at all.

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I don't think that really matters. An architect does little physical work. An accountant does little physical work. A call center operator does little physical work. But, I think all would be offended if you suggested they somehow are lazy at their job, or otherwise not "really" working.

Who is accusing anyone of these professionals of being lazy? I am not saying bad things about people with money, but saying good things about poor people.

CEOs and corporate Presidents have high stress, high responsibility jobs that often run over 10 hours a day. Personally I think it is a myth that the average CEO is only out spending money and playing golf all day.

Being a Certified Nurses Assistant is also high stress, and pays around minimum wage with no benefits such as health insurance. These people keep people alive or keep them comfortable when they are dying, and they don't earn enough to meet their own needs, let alone care for a family. Have you worked long with dying people? How did you cope? How about child care? What is more important than giving a child a good start in life? Even after college education child care providers are not paid well. If we had national health insurance this would at least give these people a chance of having the health care they sometimes need. Why are you defending CEO's, and going on like they are under attack, when it is said low income people need a better deal?

The problem as I've always seen it is that the worst people in the inner city don't want to better themselves. They've been conditioned to wait on their Obama Phone to rain down on them. When the Northern black ghettos were first started, after the Great Migration, people had hope. Hell, just moving hundreds of miles for an opportunity made these people Great. But, today no one is going to migrate. They would rather sit and wait.

Now you have shifted from defending to attacking, and I think your attack is based on a prejudice that you seem to believe is only directed at the wealthy. I do not think you have the experience then means understanding. Back in the day of industrial growth, people knew where to move. Where would you have them move today? It is not just a matter of moving to the new plant that is hiring, but having an education that is beyond some people's means, and the connections, and the knowledge that comes from being in the right circles. If it were as simple as moving to the new factories, we would not be having this discussion. The people who worked at the closed shrimp picking plant and the closed canning factory, were not lazy people. I don't believe there are lazy people, but there are lost jobs.

There are also mothers with children needing help. This help could mean child care is added to the factory. We have an industrial society that has ignored the needs of small children, and has devastated the family by forcing all to put their jobs above family, and that brings us to Black Friday coming a day early on Thanksgiving, another blow to families. When will the blows to families stop?

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So? Those who are rich have privilege. And can influence just about anything more then anyone else. That is a state of being rich. What do you suggest? Getting rid of the Rich? That did not work in Mao's China, or Castro's Cuba, or Stalin's CCCP.

The rich can buy 10, 20, 50 cars. Can own 3, 6, 10 homes. Is that fair? Should we (The People) take those things from them? Should we make sure no one lives in more then one house and that the house cannot exceed 300,000 dollars in value?

The rich have always directed national affairs and always will. It is true regardless of Fairness and Niceness.

We should live in that Reality, rather then day dreaming about Absolute Fairness.

Edit: Also the US strives toward Social Egalitarianism, but we don't even try to pretend to be fiscally egalitarian. If we did, there would be no Rich. There would be no super mansions. There would be no Lambodini Diablos. There would be no Cruise Ships even. Quite possibly no one would own any property at all.

We dealt with this with unions. It is unfortunate we are not understanding the importance of unions and why they are necessary.

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But everyone is equal. If you want to sell your house and cars and run commercials and lobby Wash DC you can do so. Everyone has the ability to do so. All it takes is money. This is why non-profits are formed and collect donations. So that the Non-Rich can put forward their ideas in the same manner as the rich.

You can not do so, unless you own all these things you are saying can be sold. And no, non profit organizations can not be political. Their non profit status will be pulled.

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Being a Certified Nurses Assistant is also high stress, and pays around minimum wage with no benefits such as health insurance. These people keep people alive or keep them comfortable when they are dying, and they don't earn enough to meet their own needs, let alone care for a family.

My sister-in-law is a Nurses Assistant. Aren't most NAs basically working toward being RNs? Would they work toward being RNs, if they knew their pay would be the exact same? Or, do they hope to make more money? My point being that most everyone that cares continues to try to get ahead. And why should we punish those who finally do get ahead? The only thing I can think of is Envy. Taxes is just an excuse to poke a them.

Why are you defending CEO's, and going on like they are under attack, when it is said low income people need a better deal?

I thought I was pretty clear that it is descrimination, and tolerated due to Envy of the general population. People don't say, "Tax the Rich" against only those who are corrupt, or greedy, or hedonistic. The common ideology is that just the fact of being Rich makes one Evil.

Now you have shifted from defending to attacking, and I think your attack is based on a prejudice that you seem to believe is only directed at the wealthy.

I'm not sure how, "Tax the rich" can be aimed at anyone other then the Wealthy. Sure, it is my opinion, but, I feel it is justified... that many Urban Poor simply do nothing to better themselves. That is not racist. I say nothing of race, or minorities. It is a culture of Waiting on Others to help.

Where would you have them move today? It is not just a matter of moving to the new plant that is hiring, but having an education that is beyond some people's means, and the connections, and the knowledge that comes from being in the right circles. If it were as simple as moving to the new factories, we would not be having this discussion.

I'd have then move where there is work. Where the cost of living is less. It has been the way of humans for tens of thousands of years.

I grew up in a mobile home with outdoor carpeting on the inside, and holes in our plywood porch. I had to go out to the porch, even in the snow of winter to get fresh water, from a barrel, outside becuase there was no room inside... because our well had to be so highly chlorinated that we would not drink it. My mother sewed patches on top of patches in my jeans.... I've known poverty... And I worked hard in school, paid my way through college, joined the Army when I ran out of college money, got out and finished my bachelors, and then after some experience, got a good job and a home, and now we want for nothing.

What I did not do is complain about working random jobs to pay for college... digging basements under houses, working alongsied migrants picking fruit and driving 40 miles to find work. What I did not do is wait for free college money, instead I joined the military. What I did not do is complain about driving a thousand dollar car for ten years, or living in an apartment building where the rent was $150 a month, and... that was actually what it was worth. What I did not do was bring a family into a bad environment where I could not support one.

I simply think the Urban Poor could try a LOT harder.

Possibly this goes back to Education, like we said earlier. If these urban poor were properly educated, or given trade school, then they would have marketable skills and work would come looking for Them.

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And no, non profit organizations can not be political. Their non profit status will be pulled.

I don't think that is true.

Isn't Planned Parenthood a Non-Profit? You basically can't get more political then Planned Parenthood.

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We dealt with this with unions. It is unfortunate we are not understanding the importance of unions and why they are necessary.

There are some situations that Unions are useful, but many of the Abuses that Unions fixed no longer exist, and if they did, the entire working population would file class action suits... and win easily. Lawsuits are the Now, Unions are the Past.

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So... the best way to get Rich, and stay there is to... cripple the wages of the vast masses, so they can purchase only a little, and never get educated or opportunity enough to challenge you?? That seems to me to be the Opposite of what is Logical. Anyone that builds Anything will want a society of well paid workers, who are skilled and educated, so they will Buy Their Stuff!!

Your idea goes directly into North Korean style economics, not free market capitalism.

your right it's not a free market. It's a managed economy managed by a monopoly in a really twisted way. I make sure everything that was needed could only be bought by something only I can give you. That was my point it is illogical. America uses a managed economy and that isn't a free market. If it was an actual free market it would be a win for everybody.

Why? Even if it saves millions of children? Or, if it reduces poverty by 5%? Or, if it prevents childhood Obesity? Or, if it improves overall education/graduation rates by 25%?

Those would be good ideas and shouldn't need any leverage in the first place to pass. Which is my point. Good ideas should not need any leverage. Of course everything they lobby will not be that cut and clear as your examples. I'm not saying lobbying shouldn't exist it's more involved then just lobbyists being a problem. There are privileges and all other sort of things going on there. I want everybody to be able to have free speech not just those who have the largest bank account.

Well, I guess you are not ignorant, simply of a different mindset. What you do would not be possible for say... the electric company... to do. They can't accept radishes and chickens. And they have very tight controls on what they can and cannot do financially with the customer.

Exactly why I said the thing of not following the textbook. They are different kind of business, don't have the same regulations as me. Controlling some basic need like electricity or food without anybody keeping you in check somehow would be a bad thing. (Generally speaking I think the majority of people are good people.... but let's face it there a few bad seeds out there and sometimes they need to be have checks in place)

Also I like having goods because bartering is one of the most fun competitions you can ever have.. well if your good at it. If I didn't accept barter I'd fit more under their profile but I adapt to what I need to do so you could count me a trader instead of doing transaction at a hub on paper and promises, I'm actually trading actual goods. Basically I'm just more generalized then they are.

Because going through millions of ideas, with only 1% of them being feasible is going to ruin anyone through time and effort involved. That is why there are experts. People with exact training and experience who know exactly what is going to happen when. When the experts are right, say, 50% of the time, and the Masses are right, say 1% of the time, I'll go with the experts.

*face palm*

I consider the experts the ones who are actually doing it. Not the guys who just study it from a text book. Then your missing the point of listening to the majority instead of a minority. Experts right 50% of the time and you'd listen? That's a coin flip. That's called guessing.

Your 1% is way off base for the Masses. 1% for a single person maybe but as a collective I don't think so. It's all about how you ask. If you ask hey everybody give me a good idea. Your going to get a bunch of garbage. You ask a better question(With more details on a general idea), you'll get better results, more focused responses, better ideas.

Your time and effort thing is pretty evened out in the digital age a few filters would take out the worst of the bunch and group ideas together. Wouldn't be all that difficult to setup time consuming to program for sure and might have to wait a bit to filter through everything.

If those Representatives are doing a bad job, it is not Industry, but the government who is at fault in steering the country.

Stuff like this I agree with and you say alot of it so I'm not going to go about copying it all.

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Heres what is true at least in my opinion.You can hate your Government all you want,But Love Your Country.

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