S2F Posted November 8, 2012 #76 Share Posted November 8, 2012 hangliders with LEDs ..... hmmmmm glad Bee stood her ground here.... I take it you don't think it is a possibility? I'm not exactly keen on the idea myself however I can't honestly dismiss it without something a little more tangible than 'I don't think so'. If it is possible to determine the speed of the object and rule out a glider then I'm OK with that. Would it be possible to determine the speed if we use the dimensions of an average glider as the size of the object? Math and I don't get on so well so I'll leave that to someone more number savvy than I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quillius Posted November 8, 2012 #77 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I am a proponent of the ETH because of personal experience in witnessing unexplained aerial phenomena and through contact with individuals I regard as highly trustworthy. I believe ET landings and contact have happened. I think a small percentage of UFO reports could be of ET origin. Most are hoaxes or misidentification. Can I post up evidence to back up my belief? Nope. ok many thanks...have you ever told your story here on UM? as for posting the evidence...not needed for a belief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quillius Posted November 8, 2012 #78 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I take it you don't think it is a possibility? I'm not exactly keen on the idea myself however I can't honestly dismiss it without something a little more tangible than 'I don't think so'. If it is possible to determine the speed of the object and rule out a glider then I'm OK with that. Would it be possible to determine the speed if we use the dimensions of an average glider as the size of the object? Math and I don't get on so well so I'll leave that to someone more number savvy than I. Hello S2F, I cant rule it out yet no which by default leaves it as a possibility, I was just thankful to Bee for challenging 'solutions' that are not solid enough IMO. I see you also seem to side with the opinion of hanglider unlikely as also does Synch (judging by his last post). I think if we look at the average size of hangliders and also the avergae size of some aircraft then we may be able to at least get close to a range of speed for the object.....I think...but like you I would rather leave this to an expert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synchronomy Posted November 8, 2012 #79 Share Posted November 8, 2012 ok many thanks...have you ever told your story here on UM? as for posting the evidence...not needed for a belief I've posted significantly more in the past. I'll send you a PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quillius Posted November 8, 2012 #80 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I've posted significantly more in the past. I'll send you a PM. apologies I have had poor attendance recently and have missed the detail... thanks for sending through a PM, if it is easier just let me know which thread and I will track it down.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synchronomy Posted November 8, 2012 #81 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I take it you don't think it is a possibility? I'm not exactly keen on the idea myself however I can't honestly dismiss it without something a little more tangible than 'I don't think so'. If it is possible to determine the speed of the object and rule out a glider then I'm OK with that. Would it be possible to determine the speed if we use the dimensions of an average glider as the size of the object? Math and I don't get on so well so I'll leave that to someone more number savvy than I. My thoughts are that to calculate the speed of the assumed hanglider, even using known dimensions, you would need to know is any zoom was used in the filming in order to determine and approximate altitude. I have to admit, watching the video again, it does appear to manoevre like a hanglider. If the pilot were familiar with the area, and his landing area was illuminated, it could be done using just a few visible landmarks (such as houses with lights on). Just speculating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2F Posted November 8, 2012 #82 Share Posted November 8, 2012 My thoughts are that to calculate the speed of the assumed hanglider, even using known dimensions, you would need to know is any zoom was used in the filming in order to determine and approximate altitude. I have to admit, watching the video again, it does appear to manoevre like a hanglider. If the pilot were familiar with the area, and his landing area was illuminated, it could be done using just a few visible landmarks (such as houses with lights on). Just speculating. I'll have to watch the vid again. I think that when he (the camera man) first gets the object in view he has no zoom (speculation) and then proceeds to zoom in. It could conceivably be enough to get some data from. Having watched the video again it almost looks like the object is a single light as he pans over to it (around the 16 second mark) which may not be good for determining anything with it. I wish I knew more about the math of this kind of research. Here's the vid again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted November 8, 2012 #83 Share Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) My thoughts are that to calculate the speed of the assumed hanglider, even using known dimensions, you would need to know is any zoom was used in the filming in order to determine and approximate altitude. I'll have to watch the vid again. I think that when he (the camera man) first gets the object in view he has no zoom (speculation) and then proceeds to zoom in. It could conceivably be enough to get some data from. Having watched the video again it almost looks like the object is a single light as he pans over to it (around the 16 second mark) which may not be good for determining anything with it. I wish I knew more about the math of this kind of research. [vid snipped} This is a better one....although you will have to turn the sound down,.(.if you want to), because it's annoying.. That one you posted has that other bit of 'footage' attached to it at the beginning and as far as I can tell is an added bit... it isn't in the OP video, anyway. I would even go as far to say that it was probably added to weaken the other 'triangle' footage... you can see at the beginning that he does zoom in and at first the 'triangle'....looks small...(regarding perspective) [media=] [/media]. Edited November 8, 2012 by bee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSS Posted November 8, 2012 #84 Share Posted November 8, 2012 That one you posted has that other bit of 'footage' attached to it at the beginning and as far as I can tell is an added bit... it isn't in the OP video, anyway. I would even go as far to say that it was probably added to weaken the other 'triangle' footage... . It's in both the videos posted bee. If you look at the first one you can see the first object move down on the right hand side at the bottom of the screen, the same piece of footage is in the video you posted right near the beginning (he zooms in, then out, and the original object is moving in the same position as in the first vid - it's the same footage) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synchronomy Posted November 8, 2012 #85 Share Posted November 8, 2012 It's in both the videos posted bee. If you look at the first one you can see the first object move down on the right hand side at the bottom of the screen, the same piece of footage is in the video you posted right near the beginning (he zooms in, then out, and the original object is moving in the same position as in the first vid - it's the same footage) The more I watch it and think "hanglider", it's all I can envision now. It's just seems to move like one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted November 8, 2012 #86 Share Posted November 8, 2012 It's in both the videos posted bee. If you look at the first one you can see the first object move down on the right hand side at the bottom of the screen, the same piece of footage is in the video you posted right near the beginning (he zooms in, then out, and the original object is moving in the same position as in the first vid - it's the same footage) so it is....BUT in a different position on the screen.......thanks. I did actually look out for the solid triangle flashing bit..but missed it because of the different position. The only thing to do is get the complete night vision footage from the source, I suppose. Where ever that is... cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted November 8, 2012 #87 Share Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) The more I watch it and think "hanglider", it's all I can envision now. It's just seems to move like one. have you seen a hang glider flying at night by any chance? or even any footage of said (illegal) activity. (not counting the OP vid of course..because that would be too presumptuous..) But envision away if it makes you happy.... . Edited November 8, 2012 by bee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSS Posted November 8, 2012 #88 Share Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) The more I watch it and think "hanglider", it's all I can envision now. It's just seems to move like one. I'm not convinced by hang glider at all tbh with you, that seems highly unlikely to me. RV maybe - night flying is the kind of stunt i'd be likely to get up too. Or an unknown aircraft, that seems more likely to me then a hang glider. Edited November 8, 2012 by The Sky Scanner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synchronomy Posted November 8, 2012 #89 Share Posted November 8, 2012 have you seen a hang glider flying at night by any chance? or even any footage of said (illegal) activity. (not counting the OP vid of course..because that would be too presumptuous..) But envision away if it makes you happy.... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted November 8, 2012 #90 Share Posted November 8, 2012 . @ synchronomy.....that was quick... .....but they are not a very good match for the OP video clip...sorry . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synchronomy Posted November 8, 2012 #91 Share Posted November 8, 2012 . @ synchronomy.....that was quick... .....but they are not a very good match for the OP video clip...sorry . ...well no, that would be illegal. Paraphrased from a hangliding forum: "I asked my dad what did the FAA do if they caught you breaking the rules? He said: "They don't catch you breaking the rules. They just pull your body out of the wreckage". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienDan Posted November 9, 2012 #92 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Interesting but not convincing. I've seen satellites dim then suddenly get bright, it's just them hitting a good angle for sunlight to reflect off them for a moment. I've also seen this with the ISS. Could be flares, planes, birds, meteors. Depending on which object was being filmed. Not going to take much interest unless the object stop and move, make turns, etc. Cant say they are or arnt ships but theres to many other explanations for what they could be. As for the V formation video, those are birds, geece probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uprize Posted November 9, 2012 Author #93 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I dont think its a hang-glider either. A hang glider has much larger wing span that the object in the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taniwha Posted November 9, 2012 #94 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted November 9, 2012 #95 Share Posted November 9, 2012 . breaking news.... pilot of the Mysterious Triangle Craft has come forward and confessed. Case Closed. (I'm bored with arguing about dots now...) . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uprize Posted November 9, 2012 Author #96 Share Posted November 9, 2012 . breaking news.... pilot of the Mysterious Triangle Craft has come forward and confessed. Case Closed. (I'm bored with arguing about dots now...) . That picture is totally unbelievable. There are no lights underneath it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted November 9, 2012 #97 Share Posted November 9, 2012 That picture is totally unbelievable. There are no lights underneath it! c'mon It's DAYTIME.....he hasn't got them switched on.... . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted November 9, 2012 #98 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I still think hang glider is the strongest and most likely explanation for this one, but as is often the case we'll probably never know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoIverine Posted November 9, 2012 #99 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Don't have to be either: simply put leds on RC, and here ya go... That is probably the most awesome RC plane I have ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted November 9, 2012 #100 Share Posted November 9, 2012 That is probably the most awesome RC plane I have ever seen. There are more awesome, I just picked first one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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