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Four more years of Obama.. what does this mean for America? 25% unemployment rate.. 5 Trillion deficit single handedly. 46 Million people on food stamps. All this must of appealed to people because they figured, hey why not another four years.. How about Obama Care.. in 2014. Know that he has been re-elected.. Obama care is really going to screw with people. I dont care about upper class, middle class, lower class. EVERYONE will take a hit on that..

My favorite thing about obama care.. even if your a single man, you still have to pay extra for maternity care in your policy. Or how about you dont have any children? well too bad your still going to pay for newborn care and pediatric treatments in your policy..

This breaks down 13 ways obamacare will ruin your life.. http://patriotupdate.com/25525/13-ways-obamacare-will-ruin-your-life

... But four more years... what will happen? the consitituion has already been sidelined for the last four years. By 2016 America will have a giant footprint in it.

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Sour grapes.

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Some states are opting out of Obamacare. If we make it to 2016 without any major economic events happening, I will be amazed. I had an interesting thought earlier. Why not divide the country in half, democrats in one half, republicans in the other. Each side has its own form of government. We could actually let the democrats pay for their own welfare programs and then watch how fast it all crumbles.

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the Fed will only allow Obama to get away with so much before they but the brakes on it. by the Fed I mean the Federal reserve they hold most of that 16 trillion

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the Fed will only allow Obama to get away with so much before they but the brakes on it. by the Fed I mean the Federal reserve they hold most of that 16 trillion

Unlimited QE, they are both wrecking the economy. The president could've reigned in Bernake, but it hasn't happened yet.

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My favorite thing about obama care.. even if your a single man, you still have to pay extra for maternity care in your policy. Or how about you dont have any children? well too bad your still going to pay for newborn care and pediatric treatments in your policy..

You pay taxes I pressume?

Then surely you must realise you're paying for roads you've never even heard off, you're paying for parks you've never visited, you're paying for police departments you have no direct business with, you're paying for fire fighters when it's a possibility you never have to go through a fire, you're paying for libraries even though you may never have read a book in your life.

You are not alone in the world. Everyone has to chip in for a country to work.

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Dramatic much? LOL.

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Food stamps and welfare are for able-bodied people who are just too lazy to work, so they have a kid every 5 (or whatever the quota is in years) to claim to the government and beat the system. I have seen it with my own eyes, everyday at the grocery store (I shop at the store every day). And I look over the lady's shoulder in front of me, with her 5 freakin kids, and her total is, I kid you not, $213.53. She pulls out this card to swipe in the machine, the cashier's monitor reads "food stamp" and her new total is $12.90! Shameless minorities, in Texas, are what I have the biggest problems with, since we are all paying for the giant grocery tab.

Wouldn't surprise me. Would be nice to not have to pay for everyone else's irresponsibility for a change.

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Ok does anybody know how economy works and how base needs work and how base needs change based on money?

Everybody needs to invest in everybody. What is happening now is the complete lack of investing in other people. When companies keep jobs in America.. they are investing in America. Banks don't lend, Businesses aren't creating jobs in America, So the people can't do a thing. When you have no choice over your own healthcare. No chance to get it, or only able to get it. I'm going to take healthcare every time.

Have you even read the bill personally? Word for word line for line? I have most of these articles are nothing but hogwash and bull****. You know why everybody should pay for this. There is a loan option for it so more people can afford to become doctors and nurses aka creating jobs and providing more service for something we all need.

Find the whole bill it's only around 2.2mb and read it.

The only ones who should be crying about this is insurance companies because they are the only who are getting screwed and you know why I don't care.... because they deserve it.

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Four more years of Obama.. what does this mean for America? 25% unemployment rate.. 5 Trillion deficit single handedly. 46 Million people on food stamps. All this must of appealed to people because they figured, hey why not another four years.. How about Obama Care.. in 2014. Know that he has been re-elected.. Obama care is really going to screw with people. I dont care about upper class, middle class, lower class. EVERYONE will take a hit on that..

My favorite thing about obama care.. even if your a single man, you still have to pay extra for maternity care in your policy. Or how about you dont have any children? well too bad your still going to pay for newborn care and pediatric treatments in your policy..

This breaks down 13 ways obamacare will ruin your life.. http://patriotupdate.com/25525/13-ways-obamacare-will-ruin-your-life

... But four more years... what will happen? the consitituion has already been sidelined for the last four years. By 2016 America will have a giant footprint in it.

Those who've never had health care but want or need it will probably disagree with you.

Food stamps and welfare are for able-bodied people who are just too lazy to work, so they have a kid every 5 (or whatever the quota is in years) to claim to the government and beat the system. I have seen it with my own eyes, everyday at the grocery store (I shop at the store every day). And I look over the lady's shoulder in front of me, with her 5 freakin kids, and her total is, I kid you not, $213.53. She pulls out this card to swipe in the machine, the cashier's monitor reads "food stamp" and her new total is $12.90! Shameless minorities, in Texas, are what I have the biggest problems with, since we are all paying for the giant grocery tab.

Food stamps are for "families with children". Many who work still qualify. Your ethnicity has nothing to do with it. You should have applied when you were not making enough (if you have children). Assuming they would deny you based on ethnicity only means you are confusing affirmative action programs with social services, they are not the same thing.

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Ok, you have no gender, age, or location. I am left only to assume that you're a transvestite that doesn't know how old yourself is or where you're from. My policy is to not have anything to do with you until you find yourself.

Regarding the relevant aspect of your post, I have no argument with your policy, it is yours after all and unlike the other policies you were previously discussing, you actually know this policy. So there is no need to correct you this time. Although your personal policy has nothing to do with the topic so it does seem irrelevant as well.

Also, off topic, calling someone a transvestite is not an insult. As per your other comments I will submit that fashion, being attractive, and aesthetics overall are important to me. If you ever need any help with any of those, judging by your avatar I would recommend it, just PM me with your concerns and I will try my best.

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This is what I hate about welfare and our current system. If you end up failing for no problem then pure bs luck(Sickness,injury,storm,accident) You cannot get yourself out without an investment from somebody else with our current system. I came from a poor household and I worked myself up out of it I got sick. Since my parents were basically barely hanging on themselves I couldn't get help from them. Since I didn't go out and have kids. I couldn't get help from the Government(Sorry 17 bucks in food stamps isn't help it is in insult). I couldn't get a loan from a bank(because I was a risk). I couldn't get a job because there wasn't anyway. (Seriously applied everywhere and most of the time low earning jobs I was too qualified for and jobs for my experience weren't hiring). I tried to do things the right way with the system but couldn't. Apparently you need investors to do anything if you can't get them your boned. You will have to go outside the system to get ahead. They could of given me 10,000 dollars worth of food stamps and I wouldn't of been able to do anything with it besides eat. (Well I could of gotten out with 10k foodstamps but I'd have to pull something illegal which is again my point)

Do the math for a low-paying job then take out a thing like transportation. Like a tire goes flat. Look at what happens if you can't get it fixed, you can't get to work, you can't get paid, you can't get the money to get the tired fixed. Unless ask somebody else for a ride and they accept(Investing in other people your boned). That's not including money for things that you need nor bank charges.

Sure you could say get a student loan and get a better education, but if you lack something like transportation your gonna get boned. Now not only can you not get a better education, your also slapped with a huge loan you need to pay back.

To improve welfare we need to add to it. We need what we have for welfare for the people who truly can't work and have some of a investment to people who had crap luck program. Where we can pay it back as we get on our feet. So the people who want to work can go and make some sort of business for themselves. What we have now is a program that promotes exploiting it in some way. The people that exploit the system cheat everybody else out of help but they need to exploit the system to survive because it doesn't give them what they need to stand on their own two feet. It's a sick cycle.

I got out by breaking the law and making money(Thank you double jeopardy and statute of limitations) and using that money to invest in myself first. People shouldn't risk prison or a fine to get ahead. Money in and itself isn't worth a damn thing alone yet without it you can't get ahead. It's a sick cycle somebody has to invest in somebody first.

Being poor wouldn't be a problem if it was a choice and not something that you are locked in to because of where and who you are born to.

This you pay me first and I'll pay you later doesn't work anymore. Somebody needs to invest in somebody else in this country. Not outsourcing it. The system only works with it flows and that takes risk. Government needs to be run like a business but nobody wants to let it happen, and it needs to be run by us, by all of us.

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Like my daughter had said Mom I tired of being in the middle class working by ass off everyday to get a head for my family,paying half my check to day care, struggling to buy a house and putting food on the table. And now the government want to raise my taxs to pay more, and tax the more wealthy business, so I may end up loseing my Job anyway.Might as well join the Obama crowd and pop out a few more kids to get all the free support, housing ,food , day care, and then take a trip to the bahamas:):)

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I really think people on welfare and foodstamps need to be drug tested. No disgrace to anyone who of course does not do drugs and tries to find a job, then by all means please go for it. But you know their are many of able-bodied people out there that are to lazy to work and depened on the government. Hence, Obama's reelection. I bet you if he said ok, we need to start drug tested those in-need of welfare, he'd have lost so many populor votes.

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Some states are opting out of Obamacare. If we make it to 2016 without any major economic events happening, I will be amazed. I had an interesting thought earlier. Why not divide the country in half, democrats in one half, republicans in the other. Each side has its own form of government. We could actually let the democrats pay for their own welfare programs and then watch how fast it all crumbles.

how can a state opt out of obamacare, if its going to be a national mandanted plan?

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I really think people on welfare and foodstamps need to be drug tested. No disgrace to anyone who of course does not do drugs and tries to find a job, then by all means please go for it. But you know their are many of able-bodied people out there that are to lazy to work and depened on the government. Hence, Obama's reelection. I bet you if he said ok, we need to start drug tested those in-need of welfare, he'd have lost so many populor votes.

Fortunately the war on drugs is coming to an end so your thoughts seem regressive. Drugs should primarily be a health care issue.

Keep the hope up your desire could still come to pass but it really seems as if your notion belongs in the 20th century and not our current one.

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You pay taxes I pressume?

Then surely you must realise you're paying for roads you've never even heard off, you're paying for parks you've never visited, you're paying for police departments you have no direct business with, you're paying for fire fighters when it's a possibility you never have to go through a fire, you're paying for libraries even though you may never have read a book in your life.

You are not alone in the world. Everyone has to chip in for a country to work.

Really? In a Socialist Society that is true. But that's not what America is/was. The days of The United States of America are over. As the drudgereport.com headline says: The Divided States of America. A Kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. And so what will take it's place? The USof A will now become the USSA. The United Socialist States of America. What really blows my mind is that so many people are just lost to what that really means.

It means...kiss the Constituion of the US goodbye. When the Government puts it's boot on your throat...don't come crying to me...I won't care. I don't care. I'm only looking out for me now...me and my family...screw the rest of the 'union'. Ya'll wanted it...you got it...hope you have a stash of food somewhere.

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As I understand it, but who does?

There is no perfect health care system anywhere in the world.

Countries (like England) that offer free health care for everyone are beginning to or already are struggling under that financial burden.

Countries (like the United States) that have people who are not insured, burden the populace who are insured and must soak up their health care costs.

ObamaCare would fall in between the two.

Thus, my neighbor who doesn’t have insurance would be required to buy private insurance like we have (through his employer, etc) or use a government subsidized insurance plan.

This way, when his kid is sick he doesn’t go to the highly expensive Emergency Room at his local hospital, for a cold or worse because he hasn’t seen a doctor, where he is possibly given unnecessary tests and run up a bill we (who have insurance) have to absorb. Instead, he will be accepted by a primary care physician, treated early (probably not given any tests) at far less costs, which he and his insurance pay for.

We shall see.

Health insurance is out of sight. My husband has a very good job and it is hard on us to afford it. Maybe minorities, and the younger generations who voted for him see a U.S. they cannot afford to live in and think any government intervention is worth the cost to society.

But hopefully ObamaCare isn't as some think and will only lower costs for those who have private insurance and not become socialist medicine.

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Fortunately the war on drugs is coming to an end so your thoughts seem regressive. Drugs should primarily be a health care issue.

Keep the hope up your desire could still come to pass but it really seems as if your notion belongs in the 20th century and not our current one.

What? The war on drugs isn't coming to an end. The notion of Freedom and Good Jobs and affordable gas....that's just so 20th century...right...you're right...this is the century of Global Domination. And guess who is going to be Dominated? EVERYONE!

It's a sad day for the world. I'm going to write a song...wait...never mind ...I'm just going to play a song....

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We should all just quit our jobs and live off the system. Problem solved.

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I was pretty scared because it was dark here when the announcement was made and I thought, "What if it stays dark for a thousand years?", but it's OK - the sun came up.

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how can a state opt out of obamacare, if its going to be a national mandanted plan?

It was on the ballot yesterday where I live.

"Prevents penalties for not purchasing health care coverage in order to comply with federal health care reforms." You're correct, not an opt out, but at least we won't be penalized more.

What's really scary is that proposition 37 didn't pass in California. Companies basically now have the power to NOT label GMO containing food. Good job California, it literally has become idiocracy here.

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...I'm just going to play a song....

Found the worlds smallest violin then have we ? lol

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It means we pick ourselves up by the boot straps and get our butts busy.

Something that amazed me through this process was the short term memory loss of people. When the economy tanked in late 07, the real experts...not the wanna be politicians...said it was going to take anywhere from 8 to 12 years to recover. I was continuously awed by the stupidity of people that thinking one man was going to fix the mess...and in 4 years or less. Monumentally ridiculous...to anyone that thought that...never-never land is just around the corner.

It also means that it's time to realize that outdated moral positions and intervention into people's private lives are not appreciated. The Repubs need to take a page from Ron Paul and Gary Johnson and focus on what they are good at...fiscal responsibility... and leave the moral and social issues out of it.

If a woman wants an abortion, that is no business of yours or mine or the Gov. It is between her, her family, her doctor and whatever God she prays to...period.

If a person wants to destroy their life with drugs and alcohol...fine...let them.

It is no one's business what two consenting adults do. If same sex couples want to get married, let them...I do not care...you can marry your mailbox for all I care...it will not affect my life in one way or another.

Let people be free, let them prosper and let them be happy...that is what we should have learned.

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Didn't the Whig party die because they clung to the past?

The Republican party can either change or be forgotten.

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