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I know I have taken this off the op but Canadian oil is a very simple way for the US to save so to speak a ton of money. We have a tv ad up here that says nothing you buy gets here with out being on a truck. Obama will approve what is best right now. I also believe Obama will pull out of Afgan in 2014 leaving a small force to further train nationals.

We are on the same page as what needs to be done but not who could have done it better. It was a lose lose situation imo.

Why do you think Obama will approve what is best when he wouldn't even approve the Canadian PipeLine?

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What I find funny is that I do make 12 bucks an hour working at a gas station, but my yearly income was only an example...I work part time at a gas station because I am going to school full time. You kind of need to finish school before you can have a career because you cannot do both at the same time...

I hope they do find themselves in that situation so then they will understand. I just feel like so many people do not understand...

I spent my entire childhood dirt poor.

I remember eating popcorn popped in a skillet for dinner many of the nights because we didnt have food to eat.

I joined the military when i graduated because college didnt seem the right direction for me, i redceived a paycheck, food and shelter.

I learned a skill and received a college education.

Believe me. I UNDERSTAND!

I also know, there is corruption in the system, i have seen it.

I also know people will not try to improve their position if you continue to hold them up year after year.

When you reach the point of not having a cell phone, television, and eating popcorn for dinner then we can talk about poverty.

You havent got a clue.

You and your Liberal pals all believe that povewrty is when a person cant afford the new Iphone within a week of its release with a full data plan and DirectTv's NFL Package.

You believe if a guy doesnt have a car newer than 10 years old its a poverty issue.

You label poverty at a level that growing up my family only dreamed of reaching.

And as a side note, when you commented that Military defense could be cut further because we were ok, "trust me"

How about i dont trust a gas station attendant and give you some real truth.

Our military budget goes through the roof because of spending on expensive equipment that we dont have pilots to fly and mechanics to fix.

Everytime people cry about wanting the military budget cut they cut people, not equipment because some senator demands we need 20 more C-17's made in his state.

And when you whine that the Feds dont take care of the people in the nation yet we spend on the military i would suggets to you that you read the Constitution.

The Federal Govt is set up to defend our nation, not spend 40% of its budget on welfare programs.

Let the states take care of their people, let charities give people a hand up.

Too many hand outs anymore and this nation needs to decide is it going to continue to survive or will it commit fiscal suicide by continuing to rack up debt keeping people on welfare.

Time to define what is truly considered poverty.

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He is your president, whether like him or not you have to live with it. If not then leave everything behind and move to a new country

The US Constitution was setup to prevent that type of thinking.

If the Staes had the power like they were supposed to have, a person who didnt like the direction of the states Govt could move to a state that aligned with their belief structure.

However, since the Feds have stolen all the power from the states we have been brought to the cusp of love your Presidents plans or give up your citizenship.

Our forefathers would be less than proud of the power that we have allowed the govt to take from the states.

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There are still plenty of opportunities for the GOP to stop any gridlock. Politics is often about compromise. Don't throw that all at the feet of the Dems.

Do you reckon the Democrats will actually include the GOP in the meetings?

Remember Pelosi's infamous, "you have to pass the bill to see whats in the bill" speech?

Remember how Obamacare was written in its entirety behind locked doors with ZERO GOP involvement?

Don't throw that all at the feet of the GOP.

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There is an NDAA passed yearly. Just in case you don't know that.

There is a Patriot Act passed annualy as well.

Even though Obama swore it was going to be repealed immediately upon his first election.

I guess a lot of the GW Bush era "evil policies" turned out to be required after all.

Maybe now, after 4 years of failing to do so, he might actuall take responsibility and sign a budget.

Thats an Annual requirement that hasnt been getting met and that falls directly on the President.

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I believe that the answer to some of these is yes, and some are left to be determined. One I can say yes to definitely is the deficit going down. The numbers are soon to be released, and they will reflect that, to the tune of $200 billion. Maybe it isn't going down fast enough for some people, but it is a start.

http://www.dailykos....-by-200-Billion

http://www.csmonitor...ble-the-deficit

Reid just announced that as a first order of business the debt ceiling is to be raised by 2.5 Trillion dollars.

That is the wrong direction.

Those predictions of 20 Trillion total debt by 2016 are now going to rise by leaps and bounds.

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There is a Patriot Act passed annualy as well.

Even though Obama swore it was going to be repealed immediately upon his first election.

I guess a lot of the GW Bush era "evil policies" turned out to be required after all.

Maybe now, after 4 years of failing to do so, he might actuall take responsibility and sign a budget.

Thats an Annual requirement that hasnt been getting met and that falls directly on the President.

I'm not holding my breath..actually, I am, but it's futile...I know I can't hold my breath for four more years.

But...what are you going to do you know? The Tea Party is dead...it was dead before it started, when it started, after it started and it's still dead! Why? Because it was founded on the belief that we could make a difference...we could change the status quo...your avatar says it all...check mate...game over.

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So what happens after 4 more years. Maybe this next four yrs will light a fire under the US`s ass and get the people to end this political highjacking that you guys have allowed. It`s not the people that have failed it`s the system that the people have allowed to fail.

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If that were the case the the US would not be so interested in it and we would just ship it to China ;) We are already going to build a pipeline to the west coast for China. The US does not like that to much, hence obama will aprove the pipeline south. Oil sands refined makes great gas not sure were you think it`s only good for diesel. Maybe back in the 70`s but not today.

Tar sands is another way of trying to make blood free oil sound bad by the way. Not going to help or change things. The US needs our resources and we are willing to sell. Oil from Canada will help keep the loaf of bread from getting to $ 19.95 a loaf.

Twice now you've implied that oil from Canada (or even the U.S.) would be cheaper than ME oil.

That's certainly not the case. Oil prices are set by bids (auction) that take place worldwide.

I agree, however, about Western oil being "blood free." But if the West imported no ME oil whatsoever, the ME likely wouldn't suffer much economically, as, again, oil is worldwide and fungible.

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So what happens after 4 more years. Maybe this next four yrs will light a fire under the US`s ass and get the people to end this political highjacking that you guys have allowed. It`s not the people that have failed it`s the system that the people have allowed to fail.

I disagree. It is both, the people have failed...it is the people who vote..it is the people who choose to believe the media...the people have made poor choices. We have become a fat, lazy, populace; More interested in getting tatoos and the latest app on their iphones to become involved...it (the government) has been on auto-pilot for way too long..............

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Sand/tar oil is vastly more expensive than ME oil. That's just how it is. In order for it to be even profitable, fuel costs have to rise above $3.50 a gallon (before taxes) and stay there. Right now, sand oil from Canada is losing money from what I've understood.

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Sand/tar oil is vastly more expensive than ME oil. That's just how it is. In order for it to be even profitable, fuel costs have to rise above $3.50 a gallon (before taxes) and stay there. Right now, sand oil from Canada is losing money from what I've understood.

Depends, the break even point is Brent at about $100 per barrel, so today they would earn $7 per barrel, tomorrow that could be way different again.

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Nope

Being in bed with Obama doesn’t make it legitimate.

Right, Obama supporters short term memory, and the other side doesn't...

Yup. The other side votes on the real issues. That’s the new demographics of this country. Don’t worry about the issues. Don’t worry about the poor track record of the President. Don’t worry, be happy. Let Papa Bama handle it.

Of course I remember that stuff. I think you are just making way to big of a deal out of it than you should be. So some people screwed up and people died...happens every day in our military. It has not hurt our military standing in the world. There will always be crazies trying to blow up a car or shoot RPGs at our guys. If you think that any country is going to screw with our military, you are wrong. Oddly enough you do not seem concerned about the terrorist attacks we have here at home. You know, the guy that shot up the movie theater and the guy that shot up the temple? It is the same thing...just some crazy people that managed to pull something off. You do not care about a single thing that happens inside this country.

Of course the death toll for Sandy is low. It should have been. We were tracking the storm for days. People were told in advance to get out. We should have no deaths for a hurricane. The government has failed with Sandy as it did with Katrina and you do not hear about it? That is the exact point I am making. We should be concerned about taking care of our people here, not some crap in Libya. Republicans want to increase military spending when that money should be spent HERE. Our military is fine, trust me.

Wow! Those last two paragraphs just show how totally unaware Socialists are. I just don’t know if it is out of Ignorance or Apathy?

Ok, so you remember that stuff. But does it sink in? It just doesn’t click for you as to how important it is. Clinton and Nixon were both impeached for less. People die in natural disasters. You can’t stop that but when a President deliberately allows Americans to die for no strategic or tactical gain. Just left to be sodomized and die. This just says that any American abroad is opened to be targeted. Do you understand the gravity of the situation? But then that’s not it. There is the cover up. They screwed up. Hilary threw herself under the bus for Obama. It took them 2 weeks to finally admit that it was a terrorist attack (rather than an act of terror). This just shows how impotent we really are. Do you not think that our enemies understand this? But now we have this Petraeus scandal. Something is fishy with that. And the non reporting of the Iranian firing on a US drone until after the election. What more is there?

The point I am making is that you don’t hear of the gaffs made by this Administration. This President can do no wrong, even when Americans are killed. But the Previous President was vilified because he didn’t have that certain charisma in front of the camera. Obama did no better with Sandy that Bush did with Katrina. Obama should be reamed just as hard as Bush was.

A non state entity screwed with this nation. Bin Laden has shown that it is possible. And as our military shrinks, will enable more attacks here and abroad. The only thing that protected us was the fact that we out spent the next 25 nations combined did in defense expenditure. The more you keep saying that no other nation will mess with us, brings the day that they do, one day closer. Trust me, our military is not fine. It is not a static thing. The enemy is constantly evolving and regrouping waiting for the time to strike. That is what they do.

Never said I didn’t care about acts of terror committed by US citizens. Part of the problem is the level of Socialism in our system. It enables the baser part of ourselves to come out unrestricted by the Responsibility of Citizenship. Under Socialism, people expect to be controlled by government. Until we can correct the mindset of this nation by exercising Socialism, we’re going to have to deal with crazies. Other than setting up a police state, we would have to rely on more citizens carrying their own weapons.

What should our national budget go to? I think the majority of the money we spend should be on taking care of our people and infastructure. I'm not sure why you are so opposed to this.

It should go to Defense and public works as intended. The purpose of the government was to allow the people to take care of themselves. Not become wards of the state. You’re biggest error here is putting people and infrastructure together as if they have the same attributes. They are different things. People are not like infrastructure. You just can’t throw money at them and expect them to be fine. Infrastructure is all the same, people are not. Some people are better, more talented that others and some are worse. They are not equal and neither will they ever be.

Why do you say I am a walking billboard for this regime? I am a Liberal...I did not say Obama was perfect and has not made mistakes. Of course it is not all Bush's fault, that would be a stupid claim, but some of it is.

Why do you distract by saying Obama is not perfect? You say you are a liberal, that is enough to be a walking billboard.

You make a lot of assumptions about me and Liberals in general...

I can only make assumptions on what you write. Track record tells me what to expect from liberals in general.

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Being in bed with Obama doesn't make it legitimate.

Yup. The other side votes on the real issues. That's the new demographics of this country. Don't worry about the issues. Don't worry about the poor track record of the President. Don't worry, be happy. Let Papa Bama handle it.

Wow! Those last two paragraphs just show how totally unaware Socialists are. I just don't know if it is out of Ignorance or Apathy?

Ok, so you remember that stuff. But does it sink in? It just doesn't click for you as to how important it is. Clinton and Nixon were both impeached for less. People die in natural disasters. You can't stop that but when a President deliberately allows Americans to die for no strategic or tactical gain. Just left to be sodomized and die. This just says that any American abroad is opened to be targeted. Do you understand the gravity of the situation? But then that's not it. There is the cover up. They screwed up. Hilary threw herself under the bus for Obama. It took them 2 weeks to finally admit that it was a terrorist attack (rather than an act of terror). This just shows how impotent we really are. Do you not think that our enemies understand this? But now we have this Petraeus scandal. Something is fishy with that. And the non reporting of the Iranian firing on a US drone until after the election. What more is there?

The point I am making is that you don't hear of the gaffs made by this Administration. This President can do no wrong, even when Americans are killed. But the Previous President was vilified because he didn't have that certain charisma in front of the camera. Obama did no better with Sandy that Bush did with Katrina. Obama should be reamed just as hard as Bush was.

A non state entity screwed with this nation. Bin Laden has shown that it is possible. And as our military shrinks, will enable more attacks here and abroad. The only thing that protected us was the fact that we out spent the next 25 nations combined did in defense expenditure. The more you keep saying that no other nation will mess with us, brings the day that they do, one day closer. Trust me, our military is not fine. It is not a static thing. The enemy is constantly evolving and regrouping waiting for the time to strike. That is what they do.

Never said I didn't care about acts of terror committed by US citizens. Part of the problem is the level of Socialism in our system. It enables the baser part of ourselves to come out unrestricted by the Responsibility of Citizenship. Under Socialism, people expect to be controlled by government. Until we can correct the mindset of this nation by exercising Socialism, we're going to have to deal with crazies. Other than setting up a police state, we would have to rely on more citizens carrying their own weapons.

It should go to Defense and public works as intended. The purpose of the government was to allow the people to take care of themselves. Not become wards of the state. You're biggest error here is putting people and infrastructure together as if they have the same attributes. They are different things. People are not like infrastructure. You just can't throw money at them and expect them to be fine. Infrastructure is all the same, people are not. Some people are better, more talented that others and some are worse. They are not equal and neither will they ever be.

Why do you distract by saying Obama is not perfect? You say you are a liberal, that is enough to be a walking billboard.

I can only make assumptions on what you write. Track record tells me what to expect from liberals in general.

Why do you keep harping on about socialism?Obama is about as Socialist as the Republican Party.......

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Obama is just liberal, and he's not even all that liberal. The state I live in is WAY more liberal than Obama ever will be.

I wonder if republicans know how idiotic they sound when they call him a socialist. I'm guessing no, or they'd stop doing it. LOL.

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Obama is just liberal, and he's not even all that liberal. The state I live in is WAY more liberal than Obama ever will be.

I wonder if republicans know how idiotic they sound when they call him a socialist. I'm guessing no, or they'd stop doing it. LOL.

In view of the fact that they seldom blush I doubt they know the crap they are spouting...

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In view of the fact that they seldom blush I doubt they know the crap they are spouting...

I don't know exactly who you are refering to. I'm not calling him a socialist...he is a Statist...he has deep Communist Sympathizing Roots from his Youth....He is a Statist. The Government first, last and in the middle...call him or don't call him whatever you want. The term for people like him is Statist! He believes in the power of the state over the power of the people. Don't get your panties in an uproar over labels. :w00t:

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Why do you keep harping on about socialism?Obama is about as Socialist as the Republican Party.......

Why do I harp? Because he is Socialist. Everything he has said and done is Socialism. And Socialism is the enemy of our Constitution. That is why. The Democratic Party, no longer exists. It has been replaced by the Socialist Party of America. Why can’t they come clean and be honest for once? France, Italy, Norway are all proud of their Socialist parties. Wasn’t Obamacare enough of a clue for you? A government that can tell us what we can do with our own bodies is a government that has gone too far. And that is the basic definition of any Oligarchy no matter how benevolent. From a Socialist Democracy to Totalitarianism.

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I don't know exactly who you are refering to. I'm not calling him a socialist...he is a Statist...he has deep Communist Sympathizing Roots from his Youth....He is a Statist. The Government first, last and in the middle...call him or don't call him whatever you want. The term for people like him is Statist! He believes in the power of the state over the power of the people. Don't get your panties in an uproar over labels. :w00t:

It doesn’t really matter. Socialist, Statist, deep Communists (Marxist, Fascist, Nazi, Dictator, King, Potentate, or even Democracy), it’s all the same. Where it matters, it is all the same. We could sit here and have a long discussion on the differences of all the flavors of Oligarchy but the bottom line is that the longer that these forms of government stay in power, they take more power from the people until the government has total power over the people. This was the purpose of the Founding Fathers establishing the Constitution, to ensure the Rights of the People was not infringed upon by the government (for whatever reason, benevolent or not). Now with over a century of Socialism creeping into our system, people cannot tell what Socialism is.

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You guys crack me. Really. You do.

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You guys crack me. Really. You do.

So, you think everything is just hunky-dory in America? Really? I'm sorry, that doesn't crack me up...that makes me sad. :(

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Reid just announced that as a first order of business the debt ceiling is to be raised by 2.5 Trillion dollars.

apparently you fail to realize that the "debt ceiling" and the deficit are very different things.

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So, you think everything is just hunky-dory in America? Really? I'm sorry, that doesn't crack me up...that makes me sad. :(

I'm pretty sure I never said that... what I said, is that it's not as bad as you're flailing and writhing on the floor about.

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I'm pretty sure I never said that... what I said, is that it's not as bad as you're flailing and writhing on the floor about.

It is though you are sitting in the living room and I am telling you the back porch is on fire. You seem not to be worried about the porch at all...when you just have to know that it is going to be in your living room sooner than later.

Okay, let me ask you another question. You can't afford your operation right? So what sense does it make for your husband to come home with a $250,000 boat he bought on credit, pulled by an $80,000 BMW also bought on credit. And then he says, pack up our bags MisMelsWell...we're moving to Beverly Hills...I just bought a Seven Million dollar mansion....on credit. You would throw an absolute hissy fit! And then he would be all like...it's not as bad as you're flailing and writhing on the floor about.

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apparently you fail to realize that the "debt ceiling" and the deficit are very different things.

Apparently you fail to realize that we cannot continue spending trillions we don't have...who are you...you don't think right.

...and by the way....this is for getting 'en vogue' with me....

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