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Anders Breivik decries 'inhumane' prison

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So there are no natural british citizens who plot "acts of terror"?

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So there are no natural british citizens who plot "acts of terror"?

No, there was never any trouble in Northern Ireland, it was a haven of peace & prosperity throughout the 70s and 80s.

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Facts -

1. A Percentage of our immigrant population is currently in prison for plotting acts of terror.

2. Muslim extremist groups have been banned whose members openly promote the murder of British troops.

3. People always have cowards who agree with them but dont have the courage to do it themselves.

I'm not going to be ignorant of the fact we have a small percentage of immigrants in this country who think terrorism is acceptable. To blind myself to such facts as you are doing is as evil as the people who try to commit the acts of terror.

you are promoting extremism.

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We live on different planets!

Mine has a unit 731 lol.

The prison officers should turn a blind eye in the shower room lol.

we cant and wont turn a blind eye because that would be really unprofessional .we are not there to pass judgement just to carry out the will of the courts.

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you are promoting extremism.

How so?

I'm not saying we should do anything to normal Muslims. I'm talking about removing the fundies. Is it extremist to remove a fundy? Not in my book.

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we cant and wont turn a blind eye because that would be really unprofessional .we are not there to pass judgement just to carry out the will of the courts.

So if you had Jimmy Saville in one of your cells you wouldnt do anything to him or turn a blind eye?

Maybe thats why I'm not a prison officer.

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How so?

I'm not saying we should do anything to normal Muslims. I'm talking about removing the fundies. Is it extremist to remove a fundy? Not in my book.

And how to find out who is one and who not?

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And how to find out who is one and who not?

1. Monitor their emails, texts, phone calls and collect intelligence on suspects.

2. Require immigrants to sit a Britishness qualification where they are taught tolerance to other ideologies and faiths. Use it as a way of spotting those who need investigating.

3. Require Mosques to preach tolerance towards westerners and close down those that dont.

The slightest hint someone is a potential terrorist, agrees with terrorism or supports terrorism and they should be kicked out of the country. If they want do in Rome as the Romans do they have no place in our society.

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1. I guess that infringes many British rights. Where does the needed work force come from? What happens to those with suspicous content in their mails, etc.? Deportation to a camp for further investigation? Or should they better be shot around the corner? You suggest kicking them out at the slightest hint; that won't work. But it would be easier for you to get rid of your neighbour.

2. Will they learn the same tolerance you are showing?

3. They preach Islam, not tolerance towards westerners. Who draws the line to what is not "tolerance towards westerners" anymore? Who is checking on that?

It's not as easy as you'd like it to be. You live in a democracy, that means all citizens should be treated equally.

Edit: How many threads have you hijacked so far? I lost count.

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No thank you, i don't want to listen to a psychopath's manifesto.

I don't think you know what a psychopath is. If I had to diagnose I'd say Narcissist, which isn't even psychologically similar.

If anyone believes his evil rantings, these are people I do not want to share space with, even on an internet web site. This was Breivik's manifesto, someone can hardly say they agree with his manifesto but don't agree with the way he went about it. You might as well say that there were some good points in Mein Kampf, and Hitler had the right idea, but that doesn't mean that you agree witht he way he went about it,.

I'm sorry but that's completely retarded. The overall idea - cultural conservatism - isn't really something he made up anyway. The scary thing is he backed up almost everything he said with statistics and data - shocked even me, because most far-right extremists are complete idiots.

someone can hardly say they agree with his manifesto but don't agree with the way he went about it

Please explain this to me. That's like saying you can't believe in Marxism without wanting to ship people to gulags.

I doubt you read it anyway - no, you're not going to, I don't expect you to, and I'm not going to bother asking you to - but I think it is pertinent to know the content of something before you criticize it. Intelligence and murder are not mutually exclusive, unfortunately. Ted Kaczynski/The Unabomber was accepted into Harvard at 16 and graduated at 20, he was a math prodigy and a genius.

The funny thing is, he wasn't even that extreme with regards to beliefs - only in actions. I would not even call him "far-right". He criticized neo-Nazis, racism, anti-semitic conspiracy theorists, and was against killing Muslims. In fact most people on the far right rejected him because of his Zionism, some even going so far as to see him as a Mossad agent sent to discredit the right. He views overall were somewhat atypical and I disagree with some - I disagree that Islam is a huge bogeyman, I disagree with global warming denial, I disagree with the Eurabia theory - off the top of my head. The point is I agree with the overall message of European/Western society being somewhat of an Orwellian mess of political correctness, and I agree that immigration trends are in fact pointing towards a demographic problem for Europeans.

What's funny is I've never seen anyone bothering to contradict the latter claim with any counter-statistics. Why? The reality is, the left doesn't deny that it is happening. They don't care if it's happening.

http://www.ynetnews....4162907,00.html

>mfw Israel is the only country to admit this stuff.

Regardless, agreeing with those points does not mean you necessarily agree with violence to solve it. That is a false equivocation.

Do you two agree with Hitler's maifesto? (With perhaps the Jews replaced by the Muslims, or just Foreigners in general.) I don't think Godwin's law applies in this case, since it is a relevant comparison.

To be honest, if you replace Jews with bankers, there is some truth.

It's not as easy as you'd like it to be. You live in a democracy, that means all citizens should be treated equally.

Unfortunately this can signal the end of Democracy if the views of enough citizens are not compatible with it. It ends up destroying itself then.

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He's a political prisoner and commited those killings for a reason, not out of a whim. Although I haven't read the full maniphesto, I have read plenty of it. He had planned it for nine years and thus have had a lot of time to think through it. What he did was a protest against multiculturalism and the islamization of the western civilisation as such. He found it pointless to joina political party as it only would have been a dead end street. He realized he could have wasted 20-30 years without not really getting anywhere because of the powerful forces behind the destruction of our independent national states and the christian identity. I too reacted much like you the first few months afterwards until I started to read more thoroughly about his thoughts and causes for the whole action. And I didn't perceive it in any way that he was complaining about petty things, mainly about the forced isolation. Although I will not condone murder and terrorism, I consider those traitors who willingly destroys their own nation and thus betrays their own people, are far worse than Breivik will ever be. They are like Breivis states, cultural marxists and a such they have a very malevolent agenda that has been going on for decades. If they win, Hitler, Stalin and Mao's genocides during the 20the century, will seem like a sunday walk in the park with family, compared to the hellish nightmare they have in store for us.

It really does not matter if his underlying beliefs were valid or not. He killed 77 people. He did not chain himself to a Statehouse, or government office, in protest... he killed people. There is a difference between, say, the Occupy Wall Street people, and someone rigging the NY Stock Exchange with dynamite and killing Brokers on the Floor. The OWS people are protesters, and the other is a murderer.

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It really does not matter if his underlying beliefs were valid or not. He killed 77 people. He did not chain himself to a Statehouse, or government office, in protest... he killed people. There is a difference between, say, the Occupy Wall Street people, and someone rigging the NY Stock Exchange with dynamite and killing Brokers on the Floor. The OWS people are protesters, and the other is a murderer.

I agree.

Killing people who didn't know better did nothing positive - if anything it was detrimental. If he had to kill, he should have strictly targeted politicians, or committed a far more honorable act.

However, to be fair he did have some modicum of sense for his actions. He rationalized what he did by killing possible future politicians - he said himself that killing immigrants would be pointless and counter-productive...in fact he even said it wasn't their fault, which is interesting. If he was just a mindless sociopath looking for an excuse to kill he would have done just that, not plan for about 10 years to commit the bombing and massacre.

What I find most disturbing about him is the detachment.

I don’t want to do what I do, I would rather focus on starting a family and focus on my career again. But I can’t do that as long as I feel like a person caught in a burning spaceship with nowhere to go. If you see the ship is burning you don’t ignore it and start cooking noodles do you? You put out the fire even if it endangers your life. You don’t enjoy putting out the fire but it is your duty to yourself and your fellow crewmen. And let’s say your crewmen have been infected with a rare virus that shuts down their rational senses and they try to stop you from putting out the fire. You can’t really allow yourself to be stopped by any of them as it will lead to your collective death. You will do anything to put out that fire despite of the fact that they are trying to stop you. Anything else would be illogical.

Quote from his diary. Almost depressing.

you are promoting extremism.

1. All I saw him do in that post was state facts.

2. He is responding to a problem with a solution. The 7/7 bombers weren't even religious, there's pictures of them drinking and partying.

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So if you had Jimmy Saville in one of your cells you wouldnt do anything to him or turn a blind eye?

Maybe thats why I'm not a prison officer.

no i wouldnt i have met far worse. normaly i try not to know why they are in but even if i do i treat them all the same thats the job.

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we become what we hate

The mind is a mirror, its reflects what is seen.

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I personally think Brevik is correct.

I know some Muslims who are quite nice people and have no problems being tolerant towards Christains. However I also realise some are fundies who will try and spread their faith to us by the sword if they ever get the chance. I also suspect, and this is my personal opinion, that behind closed doors there is more support for the Jihadists than the state acknowledges. I think when the fundies have enough power Jihad will come to our streets as they try to force their faith onto Western peoples.

However Brevik is suffering from narcissistic personality disorder from which he has justified the murdering of quite a lot of people. If his purpose is to convince people of the potential threat he has sadly harmed his cause. The reason why nothing is being done about immigration is because the only parties saying they will stop it are riddled with nazis, extremists and nutters who think going around massacring the opposition is acceptable. Brevik needs making an example off as he is just as bad as those would be Jihadists.

We need a normal party who oppose immigration yet respect the human rights of immigrants. We dont need a one eyed, slimey, holocaust denying, embezzling, gay hating (yes he did that last month), HItler loving looney as a future PM. The far-right are their own worst enemy.

God I find myself in agreement. Miracles do happen :tu:

Br Cornelius

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Except for Mr Right Wing not repecting the (human) rights of immigrants in his later post.

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On the subject of Breivik hating gays:

The truth of the matter is that Ipersonally know several gay individuals and have known several gay people during the

years and I don’t have any reservations against them. Why would I care what they do

behind closed doors?

However, I personally do object to the “gay media hysteria” which has been going on in

Western Europe the last two decades. In many cases “alleged victim groups” are

subjected to positive discrimination within politics, media and certain sectors. In those

specific contexts it has become standard policy to discriminate so called “heterosexual

men”. Western European media, especially in the protestant countries are obsessed with

cheering the gay community and other minorities they see as “preferred groups” in their

so called “victim hierarchy”. The glorification of “preferred groups” in the EUSSR “victim

hierarchy” have gone too far. It’s racist and fascist.

This was his view. More or less in line with my opinion - and I'm a fag myself.

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Except for Mr Right Wing not repecting the (human) rights of immigrants in his later post.

From my comments its clear the only rights I think should be violated are ones of terrorists.

If you have a problem with that maybe MI5 needs to check you out.

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On the subject of Breivik hating gays:

This was his view. More or less in line with my opinion - and I'm a fag myself.

Ah, the "Some of my best friends are gay" argument.

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From my comments its clear the only rights I think should be violated are ones of terrorists.

If you have a problem with that maybe MI5 needs to check you out.

Lol.

Sure. MI5 should check out everyone who told you that you can’t sit at two chairs at the same time. (Your crystal clear statement “I personally think Breivik is correct” being the first and sugar coating you tried to stick on it being the second chair.)

Well, you can’t sit at two ****en chairs at the same damn time, no matter how huge you think your ass is. Gigantic asses are great for politics, but you still have to make up your mind sometimes.

By the way, here’s some good read for you:

http://listverse.com...s-we-all-abuse/

it may help you troll a little bit more convincing in the future.

Edit: I'd say you jumped on Flombie with fallacy no.6 but might as well be no.9, so if you don't feel like reading the whole article, skip right to them.

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Ah, the "Some of my best friends are gay" argument.

Don't worry, I'm allowed to be a misogynist, I'm a woman.

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Lol.

Sure. MI5 should check out everyone who told you that you can’t sit at two chairs at the same time. (Your crystal clear statement “I personally think Breivik is correct” being the first and sugar coating you tried to stick on it being the second chair.)

Well, you can’t sit at two ****en chairs at the same damn time, no matter how huge you think your ass is. Gigantic asses are great for politics, but you still have to make up your mind sometimes.

By the way, here’s some good read for you:

http://listverse.com...s-we-all-abuse/

it may help you troll a little bit more convincing in the future.

Edit: I'd say you jumped on Flombie with fallacy no.6 but might as well be no.9, so if you don't feel like reading the whole article, skip right to them.

Brevik is corrent in my opinion.

However just because I agree with my neighbour that Joe Bloggs across the street is a dangerous imbicile doesnt means I agree with him bombing his car then massacring him and his family with a machine gun. Even if he is a member of the Labour Party!

This is a Democracy and everybody has the right to compete in elections should they wish too. No one has the right to kill the members of a party they dont agree with under any circumstances. Doing so violates the Democractic rights of those people who want to vote for them as well as the right to life of the victims.

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Brevik is corrent in my opinion.

However just because I agree with my neighbour that Joe Bloggs across the street is a dangerous imbicile doesnt means I agree with him bombing his car then massacring him and his family with a machine gun. Even if he is a member of the Labour Party!

This is a Democracy and everybody has the right to compete in elections should they wish too. No one has the right to kill the members of a party they dont agree with under any circumstances. Doing so violates the Democractic rights of those people who want to vote for them as well as the right to life of the victims.

So you think Breivik was correct in something but wrong about massacring unarmed kids...

Digression: unarmed, Jesus, kids, Christ, couldn’t he storm a mosque full of grown up men and women? There would be at least one person that would manage to keep their presence of mind and whack the psycho over his plastic surgery altered head.

So he went for kids, damn coward that he is.

Kids that might have become politicians? Sure. But what did he know what their political inclination would be later in life? Was he also psychic besides psychotic? Exposure to certain ideology in your youth sometimes results in rabidly contrasted views later in life. Just saying, in case some other idiot like him is reading this.

Back to you.

This what you claim to be correct is not democratic.

The reason why we don’t go around killing people we don’t like is not the democracy but the basic human compassion. Democracy is here today and tomorrow it might be lost, even through pristinely democratic process, due to Breivik fans being more diligent at voting than sane people.

If that happens, you will experience firsthand that what you claim to be correct.

Great, huh? There’s only one catch. They might not like you. Maybe your eyes won’t be blue enough, maybe you’ll fart during memorial service for Breivik. And then what? Will you die like Fegelein did, praising your führer that had you killed with your last breath? (Happened a lot in communism too, mostly to save your family from further persecution. Didn’t work. Only made you look really stupid to posterity.)

And the most important of all, the massacre Breivik committed was direct consequence of his ideology, his ideology put to practice, not some fringy “oopsy” detail. He didn’t spill a beer while leading a putsch, he killed 77 children.

Stop sugar coating the Breivik turd of ideology.

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Democracy is not right wing nor it is left

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Ah, the "Some of my best friends are gay" argument.

No not really. I think it is quite childish to think hating gay pride = hating gays. In any case, I don't feel the need to be associated with such degenerate crap, so I have a problem with gay pride.

You think I should be supportive of insecure sexual degenerates representing me by protesting in the street half naked like freaks?

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