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Remains Of Homo Sapiens 400,000 Years ago

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I ALSO THOUGHT WHAT IS NOW ETHOPIA WAS THE FIRST LAND MASS TO APPEAR OF ABOUVE SEA LEVEL

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LIFE SEEMS TO THRIVE THE MOST IN A TROPICAL ENVIROMENT

So how do you think the climate was, hundreds of millions of years ago? And many landmasses were in a different location.

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I ALSO THOUGHT WHAT IS NOW ETHOPIA WAS THE FIRST LAND MASS TO APPEAR OF ABOUVE SEA LEVEL

Based on what?

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Based on what?

i seen it on a youtube video documenting earth's history

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So,anything that you see on youtube, is the veritable truth???

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So,anything that you see on youtube, is the veritable truth???

now a collection of what i see on youtube documentaries and other sources is my valuble truth...

whats yours based off?

do u know where the first land above water was?

i doubt it

u should try what im doin

instead of bein a dummy closed mind

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So how do you think the climate was, hundreds of millions of years ago? And many landmasses were in a different location.

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hundreds of millions years ago.....how can that even be an answerable question

clearly the climate will vary in " hundreds of millions years"

and i said life thrives the best ina tropical enviromen i didnt say life only survived in a tropical climate.

but i willing to bet life on land started in a tropical enviroment

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now a collection of what i see on youtube documentaries and other sources is my valuble truth...

whats yours based off?

do u know where the first land above water was?

i doubt it

u should try what im doin

instead of bein a dummy closed mind

Youtube is a good broadcast medium, but whether what it broadcasts is truth or falsehood, depends on the broadcaster or uploader.

No, for me, youtube doesnt classify as a source of information.It is a good means for entertainment.

How about, scienitifc journals, Actual books,

No, your statement that Ethiopia was the first land mass that appeared above the sea level, is without merit.

The Pangea, was altogehter above the sea level (at the time of pangea formation).

Do you know about the super continents, shields, platforms and cratons?

I have a very small interest in geology, so i know a wee little bit about these.

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I asked a question - a pertinent question. I asked whether you consider matter presented in youtube videos as the veritable truth. I didnt get into name calling or mud slinging.

But what are you lowering yourself into? instead of simply replying to my post, you advance further to calling me a dummy closed mind.

do you, gentleman, know me to gauge how much i know or how much i dont know?

i am a stranger to you.

so please desist.

Debate on the topic only. Not on personal level.

Edited by The_Spartan

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I ALSO THOUGHT WHAT IS NOW ETHOPIA WAS THE FIRST LAND MASS TO APPEAR OF ABOUVE SEA LEVEL

While the idea of land rising out of the primordial sea is a theme of many old creation myths, it's not what actually happened. Water formed after land.

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hundreds of millions years ago.....how can that even be an answerable question

clearly the climate will vary in " hundreds of millions years"

and i said life thrives the best ina tropical enviromen i didnt say life only survived in a tropical climate.

but i willing to bet life on land started in a tropical enviroment

I know what you meant. But many continents were in a different location, while the overall global climate was hotter.

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i seen it on a youtube video documenting earth's history

Where in this YouTube video:

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Youtube is a good broadcast medium, but whether what it broadcasts is truth or falsehood, depends on the broadcaster or uploader.

No, for me, youtube doesnt classify as a source of information.It is a good means for entertainment.

How about, scienitifc journals, Actual books,

No, your statement that Ethiopia was the first land mass that appeared above the sea level, is without merit.

The Pangea, was altogehter above the sea level (at the time of pangea formation).

Do you know about the super continents, shields, platforms and cratons?

I have a very small interest in geology, so i know a wee little bit about these.

****************************

I asked a question - a pertinent question. I asked whether you consider matter presented in youtube videos as the veritable truth. I didnt get into name calling or mud slinging.

But what are you lowering yourself into? instead of simply replying to my post, you advance further to calling me a dummy closed mind.

do you, gentleman, know me to gauge how much i know or how much i dont know?

i am a stranger to you.

so please desist.

Debate on the topic only. Not on personal level.

I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE IN JOURNALISM AND ENTERTAINMENT

I BET EVERY BOOK U READ IS IN VIDEO FORM ON YOUTUBE

PANGEA WAS THE FIRST SUPER CONTINENT

BUT WAT WAS THE 1STPOINT OF PANGEA THAT CAME OUT THE WATER?

SO WHAT AREA IS PANGEA TODAY?

ANYBODY CAN SAY PANGEA WAS THE FIRST LAND BUT THATS NOT SAYIN *Snip*

Where in this YouTube video:

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YEA I DONT GET WHY THESE VIDEOS ALWAYS START WITH LAND ALREADY SEA LEVEL

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Do not try to bypass the censors—and please stop typing all in caps.

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While the idea of land rising out of the primordial sea is a theme of many old creation myths, it's not what actually happened. Water formed after land.

I THINK EVEYBODY KNOWS WATER FORMED AFTER LAND

MAYBE THATS WHY I SAID FIRST ABOVE SEA

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I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE IN JOURNALISM AND ENTERTAINMENT

I BET EVERY BOOK U READ IS IN VIDEO FORM ON YOUTUBE

PANGEA WAS THE FIRST SUPER CONTINENT

BUT WAT WAS THE 1STPOINT OF PANGEA THAT CAME OUT THE WATER?

SO WHAT AREA IS PANGEA TODAY?

ANYBODY CAN SAY PANGEA WAS THE FIRST LAND BUT THATS NOT SAYIN SH IT

YEA I DONT GET WHY THESE VIDEOS ALWAYS START WITH LAND ALREADY SEA LEVEL

Then show us the video you said you watched, the one that showed Ethiopia as the first land above sea level.

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The next is 'old' news, but I never heard of it before.

Many here hum the 'mantra' of modern man being around for about 200,000 years, but that might be wrong.....

Archaeologists Locate Remains Of Homo Sapiens In Israel 400,000 Years Ago

05 Jan 2011

It has long been believed that modern man emerged from the continent of Africa 200,000 years ago. Now Tel Aviv University archaeologists have uncovered evidence that Homo sapiens roamed the land now called Israel as early as 400,000 years ago - the earliest evidence for the existence of modern man anywhere in the world.

The findings were discovered in the Qesem Cave, a pre-historic site located near Rosh Ha'ayin that was first excavated in 2000. Prof. Avi Gopher and Dr. Ran Barkai of Tel Aviv University's Department of Archaeology, who run the excavations, and Prof. Israel Hershkowitz of the university's Department of Anatomy and Anthropology and Sackler School of Medicine, together with an international team of scientists, performed a morphological analysis on eight human teeth found in the Qesem Cave.

This analysis, which included CT scans and X-rays, indicates that the size and shape of the teeth are very similar to those of modern man. The teeth found in the Qesem Cave are very similar to other evidence of modern man from Israel, dated to around 100,000 years ago, discovered in the Skhul Cave in the Carmel and Qafzeh Cave in the Lower Galilee near Nazareth. The results of the researchers' findings are being published in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology.

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According to researchers, the discoveries made in the Qesem Cave may overturn the theory that modern man originated on the continent of Africa. In recent years, archaeological evidence and human skeletons found in Spain and China also undermined this proposition, but the Qesem Cave findings because of their early age is an unprecedented discovery.

http://www.medicalne...ases/212720.php

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it has long been believed that modern man emerged from the continent of Africa 200,000 years ago. Now Tel Aviv University archaeologists have uncovered evidence that Homo sapiens roamed the land now called Israel as early as 400,000 years ago - the earliest evidence for the existence of modern man anywhere in the world.

So the frist migration of homo sapians out of Africa was earlier.

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it has long been believed that modern man emerged from the continent of Africa 200,000 years ago. Now Tel Aviv University archaeologists have uncovered evidence that Homo sapiens roamed the land now called Israel as early as 400,000 years ago - the earliest evidence for the existence of modern man anywhere in the world.

So the frist migration of homo sapians out of Africa was earlier.

As you can read in the subsequent posts, it's not all that sure.

But there are other indications modern humans may have moved out of Africa earlier:

A lost prehistoric Oasis in the Persian Gulf

December 9, 2010

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Recently discovered archaeological sites in Yemen and Oman have yielded a stone tool style that is distinct from the East African tradition. That raises the possibility that humans were established on the southern part of the Arabian Peninsula beginning as far back as 100,000 years ago or more, Rose says. That is far earlier than the estimates generated by several recent migration models, which place the first successful migration into Arabia between 50,000 and 70,000 years ago.

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Map showing the Gulf oasis with palaeo lakes and river systems (c. 75,000 BP)

The Gulf Oasis would have been available to these early migrants, and would have provided “a sanctuary throughout the Ice Ages when much of the region was rendered uninhabitable due to hyperaridity,” Rose said. “The presence of human groups in the oasis fundamentally alters our understanding of human emergence and cultural evolution in the ancient Near East.”

It also hints that vital elements of the human evolutionary puzzle may be hidden in the depths of the Persian Gulf, still awaiting for discovery.

http://www.pasthorizonspr.com/index.php/archives/12/2010/a-lost-prehistoric-oasis-in-the-persian-gulf

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As you can read in the subsequent posts, it's not all that sure.

But there are other indications modern humans may have moved out of Africa earlier:

A lost prehistoric Oasis in the Persian Gulf

December 9, 2010

(...)

Recently discovered archaeological sites in Yemen and Oman have yielded a stone tool style that is distinct from the East African tradition. That raises the possibility that humans were established on the southern part of the Arabian Peninsula beginning as far back as 100,000 years ago or more, Rose says. That is far earlier than the estimates generated by several recent migration models, which place the first successful migration into Arabia between 50,000 and 70,000 years ago.

gulf2.jpg

Map showing the Gulf oasis with palaeo lakes and river systems (c. 75,000 BP)

The Gulf Oasis would have been available to these early migrants, and would have provided “a sanctuary throughout the Ice Ages when much of the region was rendered uninhabitable due to hyperaridity,” Rose said. “The presence of human groups in the oasis fundamentally alters our understanding of human emergence and cultural evolution in the ancient Near East.”

It also hints that vital elements of the human evolutionary puzzle may be hidden in the depths of the Persian Gulf, still awaiting for discovery.

http://www.pasthoriz...he-persian-gulf

Would `nt this be the second migration out of Africa?

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Then show us the video you said you watched, the one that showed Ethiopia as the first land above sea level.

i cant find it i need to start saving the videos i watch

because i watch more than one on a subject matter

and one of them said what is now Ethiopia was the first lad out the waters

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You``ve got to figure how homo sapians got across water, it was said in the second migration to Arabian Peninsula they had to walk in the water or swim, when the sea levels were down.

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Even in the vidio that strech of water had to be about ten miles to cross.

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i cant find it i need to start saving the videos i watch

because i watch more than one on a subject matter

and one of them said what is now Ethiopia was the first lad out the waters

MR.Blueprint, it is well understood that water was probably there when the Earth began, although not in the form of oceans. In other words, water has existed here for billions of years. Without a doubt, when oceans first formed, the continents as we know them now were considerably different. You know this as well as I, so I won't descend into a diatribe on geological history.

The salient point is, the land area we know today as Ethiopia did not exist—but extant land masses billions of years ago pre-existed oceans. That said, I think it's futile to say which "emerged" first from the oceans, since land pre-existed the oceans.

With respect, I might posit that the video you watched was put together by someone with an afrocentric bent. This would make it as devoid of reliable educational information as anything cobbled together by some eurocentrist.

I couldn't agree more with The_Spartan: YouTube is for entertainment, not education. I quite enjoy YouTube videos for their source of entertainment but find the vast majority of them quite lacking in educational merit.

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it has long been believed that modern man emerged from the continent of Africa 200,000 years ago. Now Tel Aviv University archaeologists have uncovered evidence that Homo sapiens roamed the land now called Israel as early as 400,000 years ago - the earliest evidence for the existence of modern man anywhere in the world.

So the frist migration of homo sapians out of Africa was earlier.

Not quite. While the Arabian Nubian Complex sites which Abramelin's Post #41 refers to dates to c.106,000 BP, both the oldest Y Chromosome and mtDNA haplogroups are found in Africa and post-date the claimed 400,000 BP timeframe in Israel. Since the remains tested from Israel, namely teeth, are the only remains that were found it remains a matter of debate as to which species of human they belong to. There is still alot more research that will have to be done to conclusively answer this question.

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Not quite. While the Arabian Nubian Complex sites which Abramelin's Post #41 refers to dates to c.106,000 BP, both the oldest Y Chromosome and mtDNA haplogroups are found in Africa and post-date the claimed 400,000 BP timeframe in Israel. Since the remains tested from Israel, namely teeth, are the only remains that were found it remains a matter of debate as to which species of human they belong to. There is still alot more research that will have to be done to conclusively answer this question.

cormac

yes i think genetic will be our best evidence in finding the origin of humans

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I would love someone to do a computer animation, through time, of hominid/modern human dispersal relative to climate change on a more accurate or interactive level. North Africa, the middle east and southern europe is such a fascinating area due to it's geography, bottle necking of mountain ranges or oceans, niche environments, glacial patterns and even subsequent modern day history. Anthropology rarely articulates the complexity of ice age movements and climate change (and also natural disasters like Toba). It is mentioned broadly and vaguely but I'd like to see more cronology between the two.Perhaps an anthrolpology book co-authored by a climate specialist? Also patterns of migration may not always be one way. Ice ages were pushing humans up and down...they may not have always been 'leaving africa' but re-entering from the eurasia.

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yes i think genetic will be our best evidence in finding the origin of humans

But genetic data will have to interpreted in the right context for it to be translated to actual historical data. For eg- i cannot claim that a particular gene 'originated' in a particular geographical location because i found it in old mummies found in those locations(all i can assert is that this particular gene was found in this location in this particular time period), similarly i cannot comment on the origins of a particular gene based on current genetic data alone i.e i cannot say that since majority of people in a particular region have a gene means that the gene originated there. So use of genetic data in the historical context has to be along with archaeological and cultural proof to make a strong case.

The current confusion in the various migration theories and theories of human origin based only on genetic data is due to these fundamental errors.The reason that people consider Africa as the continent where the first humans originated is based more on the current observations and to put it blankly is one of the most racist conclusion. The people who suggested that Africa is the place where Humans first originated said this more because they considered the populus of Africa (majorly Negroid) as lesser evolved Humans and hence Africa as a cradle of Humanity.This line of reasoning i.e the negroid being lesser evolved humans was also used to justify slavery.

Recent genetic studies have been used to back -up this assumption that first humans came out of Africa.Though it still confounds me how it was decided in the first place that Africa is the origin of modern Humans.

Edited by Harsh86_Patel

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