The Ancient Alien Theory Is True

[seeder]

There's a theory, championed by one of AA's favourite sons - David Hatcher Childress - that the flood did happen, but it was basically the Mediterranean Valley being flooded to become the Mediterranean Sea.

He says a lot of things though doesn't he? Then contradicts himself, but then again he has, and he is, no authority on any subject really. Did you read this page I posted a few pages ago?

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/david-childress--the-aliens.html

[psyche101]

There's a theory, championed by one of AA's favourite sons - David Hatcher Childress - that the flood did happen, but it was basically the Mediterranean Valley being flooded to become the Mediterranean Sea.

Even so, he is admitting it is not an accurate record in doing so.

[psyche101]

He says a lot of things though doesn't he? Then contradicts himself, but then again he has, and he is, no authority on any subject really. Did you read this page I posted a few pages ago?

http://www.jasoncola...the-aliens.html

[mcrom901]

Maybe some of them, but not all I reckon, like today maybe?

Link - Scientists find world’s oldest stash of mary jane

hiya matey... i suppose the thc countered the affects of the lectins and grains in general, lol... i'm a bit biased regarding this whole paleo thingy, as i treat it like a religion nowadays, but i guess it must be a good thing... my mom reversed two serious auto-immune conditions of hers with it... and i lost 1/4 of my 'excess' bodyweight... it's the new mantra that i'm preaching... anyways, i fink our ancestors had a hard time 'handling' viruses and the like but their diet didn't contribute much to their downfall... but then there are the more vocal types who think otherwise...

[psyche101]

hiya matey... i suppose the thc countered the affects of the lectins and grains in general, lol... i'm a bit biased regarding this whole paleo thingy, as i treat it like a religion nowadays, but i guess it must be a good thing... my mom reversed two serious auto-immune conditions of hers with it... and i lost 1/4 of my 'excess' bodyweight... it's the new mantra that i'm preaching... anyways, i fink our ancestors had a hard time 'handling' viruses and the like but their diet didn't contribute much to their downfall... but then there are the more vocal types who think otherwise...

Your probably quite right mate, sorry 'twas a bit of tongue in cheek there, it seems there was always at least one who enjoyed "kicking back" in the community

I just had a funny image of a stone age stoner in my head at the time. Good to hear you have had a health kick mate! Hope it is working out for you.

[Space Commander Travis]

There's a theory, championed by one of AA's favourite sons - David Hatcher Childress - that the flood did happen, but it was basically the Mediterranean Valley being flooded to become the Mediterranean Sea.

Very possibly the legends, which many countries of course have, including Greece (Deucalion) and Uruk (Gilgamesh) may have been based on either a series of events that happened over a period of time in that region, due to rising sea levels*, or something like the indundation of the Mediterannean basin, seen from various vantage points, I do think might be quite possible.

* all those Co2 emissions!

[Abramelin]

Very possibly the legends, which many countries of course have, including Greece (Deucalion) and Uruk (Gilgamesh) may have been based on either a series of events that happened over a period of time in that region, due to rising sea levels*, or something like the indundation of the Mediterannean basin, seen from various vantage points, I do think might be quite possible.

* all those Co2 emissions!

The Mediterranean got flooded when the Atlantic breached through the Strait of Gibraltar.... 5,33 millions of years ago.

[Space Commander Travis]

The Mediterranean got flooded when the Atlantic breached through the Strait of Gibraltar.... 5,33 millions of years ago.

yes, that'd probably be a bit too far back to hang about in the folk memory, so it'd probably be more localised flooding events, perhaps because of rising sea levels, perhaps.

[TheSearcher]

yes, that'd probably be a bit too far back to hang about in the folk memory, so it'd probably be more localised flooding events, perhaps because of rising sea levels, perhaps.

Well there is the Black Sea deluge hypothesis, which posits a catastrophic rise in the level of the Black Sea circa 5600 BC due to waters from the Mediterranean Sea breaching a sill in the Bosporus Strait.

[S2F]

I think it's pretty safe to conclude that the majority of flood myths were caused by glacial melt at the end of the most recent ice age. Was that God's doing? Who knows, however it is plainly evident that Noah's flood as depicted in the bible just did not happen the way the story describes.

Some of you may be wondering what that has to do with Ancient Aliens.....well, that makes two of us.

[Abramelin]

I think it's pretty safe to conclude that the majority of flood myths were caused by glacial melt at the end of the most recent ice age. Was that God's doing? Who knows, however it is plainly evident that Noah's flood as depicted in the bible just did not happen the way the story describes.

Some of you may be wondering what that has to do with Ancient Aliens.....well, that makes two of us.

Some AA believers have suggested that Puma Punku was more than 10,000 years older ( -> Posnansky) than the generally accepted theory (which is based on radiocarbon dating), that it was built by an advanced civilization or better, by aliens. Their civilization was destroyed by a global catastrophe which also caused a global flood, and so on, and so on.

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Edited February 28, 2013 by Abramelin

[danielost]

Some AA believers have suggested that Puma Punku was more than 10,000 years older ( -> Posnansky) than the generally accepted theory (which is based on radiocarbon dating), that it was built by an advanced civilization or better, by aliens. Their civilization was destroyed by a global catastrophe which also caused a global flood, and so on, and so on.

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There are three ressons given by scientist give for the destruction Puma Punku, 1. A meteor, there is no crater. 2. A war, again no crater nor are the stones scorched. 3. A loclized flood, I don't think the nearby lake is large enough.

[Oniomancer]

There are three ressons given by scientist give for the destruction Puma Punku, 1. A meteor, there is no crater. 2. A war, again no crater nor are the stones scorched. 3. A loclized flood, I don't think the nearby lake is large enough.

What scientist?

1. There's no crater at tunguska either.

2. Since when are craters and burning a prerequisite for war, let alone building destruction during same? (or even not during)

3. Posnansky own work notes both the presence of fluvial (stream or river) deposits rather than lacustrine (lake) and IIRC, a stream still running through the site, which happens to be at the bottom of a slope.

No mention of earthquakes, in an area known for frequent and extremely powerful ones.

[scowl]

Some of you may be wondering what that has to do with Ancient Aliens.....well, that makes two of us.

Yeah, this discussion has been going on non-stop in the Skepticism vs. Religion forum. I come over here to take a break from it.

So, has anyone produced any electricity with that tremendously unstable and active stone called granite? Let me know because zoser has made me frightened of my new granite countertop in my kitchen. I'm afraid the compressor in the refrigerator might hit the granites "resonate frequency" which will cause stress/acceleration/amplification and electrocute me.

I'm also terrified of the radiation that I hear it's emitting!

[DBunker]

Yeah, this discussion has been going on non-stop in the Skepticism vs. Religion forum. I come over here to take a break from it.

So, has anyone produced any electricity with that tremendously unstable and active stone called granite? Let me know because zoser has made me frightened of my new granite countertop in my kitchen. I'm afraid the compressor in the refrigerator might hit the granites "resonate frequency" which will cause stress/acceleration/amplification and electrocute me.

I'm also terrified of the radiation that I hear it's emitting!

If the stuff poor zoser claims were true, the world would be a VERY different place.

That alone should tell you something.

[Abramelin]

There are three ressons given by scientist give for the destruction Puma Punku, 1. A meteor, there is no crater. 2. A war, again no crater nor are the stones scorched. 3. A loclized flood, I don't think the nearby lake is large enough.

-1- I have posted my photo of a rock in Sillustani, a rock that had a petroglyph on it, that, according to a local guide, depicted an impact of a meteor:

(the spiral you see on the rock is a known Inca symbol for the earth)

-2- ???

-3- Lake Titicaca is not large enough NOW, but it is known that it was once larger.

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EDIT:

1200 BCE again:

Abstract

Identified in April of 1995, and still without geologic definitive prove of its origin, it was applied to the Panela crater (PE)a multidisciplinary study to investigate its cosmic origin. From geometric data of the crater it was possible to determine the size of the meteoroid, direction and angle of fall of the meteor that formed it. The ray (300 km) of vision of its troposphere explosion and the projection of 1000 km of the bolides’ trajectory from the impact place were analyzed in the Northeast region of Brazil. Archaeological sites with presence of meteoritic rock art theme were mapped in this region. The relation of the observer’s position, the parallax and his view of the phenomenon in the sky were investigated on these prehistoric registers, from different sites. The analyses of the rock arts of these prehistoric sites are coherent for a cosmic phenomenon, a Tunguska like (1908) event for the Panela crater formation, the Tupana event, around the year 1200 B.C.

http://www.scribd.co...stronomy-Expert

The Panela Crater(field) is located in Pernambuco, Brazil, at the north-eastern shouldertip of South America.

And although I have lost the link to the site about its flight path/trajectory, the flight path of the meteor that created the Panela Crater(field) in Pernambuco, Brazil, was from the south-west, so the one impacting near Sillustani (if that is really how we should interpret the petroglyph) could have been part of the one creating the Panela Crater.

Click to enlarge:

The main problem is: it happened too early.

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Edited February 28, 2013 by Abramelin

[seeder]

There are three ressons given by scientist give for the destruction Puma Punku, 1. A meteor, there is no crater. 2. A war, again no crater nor are the stones scorched. 3. A loclized flood, I don't think the nearby lake is large enough.

Name the sources please or offer a link?

You missed possible earthquakes

No crater was found at Tunguska yet the damage was incredible. Plus the site is said to have been destroyed by the Spanish, and many stones were pillaged for use in other towns and houses. ie other people pulled the stones down

How does your point 2 state a war, which left no crater? Did ancient wars usually leave craters? With no bombing?

(whoops just seen Oniomancer asked the same)

Great minds think alike and all that

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Edited February 28, 2013 by seeder

[Space Commander Travis]

your point 2 state a war, which left no crater? Did ancient wars usually leave craters? With no bombing?

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It was a Nucular War. That would account for the melting of the Rocks.

[seeder]

Some AA believers have suggested that Puma Punku was more than 10,000 years older ( -> Posnansky) than the generally accepted theory (which is based on radiocarbon dating), that it was built by an advanced civilization or better, by aliens. Their civilization was destroyed by a global catastrophe which also caused a global flood, and so on, and so on.

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Plus of course we have the wiki version:

Determining the age of the Pumapunku complex has been a focus of researchers since the discovery of the Tiwanaku site. As noted by Andean specialist, Binghamton University Anthropology professor W. H. Isbell,[2] a radiocarbon date was obtained by Vranich[3] from organic material from lowermost and oldest layer of mound-fill forming the Pumapunku.

This layer was deposited during the first of three construction epochs and dates the initial construction of the Pumapunku at 1510 ±25 B.P. C14 (AD 440; calibrated, AD 536–600). Since the radiocarbon date came from the lowermost and oldest layer of mound-fill underlying the andesite and sandstone stonework, the stonework must have been constructed sometime after 1510 ±25 B.P. C14. The excavation trenches of Vranich show that the clay, sand, and gravel fill of the Pumapunku complex lie directly on the sterile middle Pleistocene sediments.

These excavation trenches also demonstrated the lack of any pre-Andean Middle Horizon cultural deposits within the area of the Tiwanaku Site adjacent to the Pumapunku complex.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumapunku#Age

[Abramelin]

I have posted about and quoted from that link before, and not that long ago (days).

[zoser]

Interesting read:

More evidence of advanced unkown cultures:

[zoser]

Plus of course we have the wiki version:

Determining the age of the Pumapunku complex has been a focus of researchers since the discovery of the Tiwanaku site. As noted by Andean specialist, Binghamton University Anthropology professor W. H. Isbell,[2] a radiocarbon date was obtained by Vranich[3] from organic material from lowermost and oldest layer of mound-fill forming the Pumapunku.

This layer was deposited during the first of three construction epochs and dates the initial construction of the Pumapunku at 1510 ±25 B.P. C14 (AD 440; calibrated, AD 536–600). Since the radiocarbon date came from the lowermost and oldest layer of mound-fill underlying the andesite and sandstone stonework, the stonework must have been constructed sometime after 1510 ±25 B.P. C14. The excavation trenches of Vranich show that the clay, sand, and gravel fill of the Pumapunku complex lie directly on the sterile middle Pleistocene sediments.

These excavation trenches also demonstrated the lack of any pre-Andean Middle Horizon cultural deposits within the area of the Tiwanaku Site adjacent to the Pumapunku complex.[3]

http://en.wikipedia....i/Pumapunku#Age

They probably just found the remains of a group of wandering Aymara indians who happened to visit the site.

No more significant than that.

We know that the site suffered extreme damage from some cataclysm in the distant past.

The one big elephant in the room is that the Aymara remember neither the build or the destruction.

Throws a huge shadow of doubt over any dating.

If some body is dug up from St Paul's Cathedral from WW2 does that mean that the building was erected post 1939?

According to archaeologists yes.

Edited February 28, 2013 by zoser

[zoser]

Duplicate

Edited February 28, 2013 by zoser

[seeder]

Easily explainable as the organic remains of a wandering tribe of Aymara Indians around the site.

No more significant than that.

If some body is dug up from St Paul's Cathedral from WW2 does that mean that the building was erected post 1939?

According to archaeologists yes.

If a builder while digging foundations, throws his ciggy buts in the trench, then the foundations get filled in and built upon... and later some archeo, digging in that trench and finding the ciggy, will know it was there before the building went up.

Kind of obvious zoser

and READ the last sentence if you will

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Edited February 28, 2013 by seeder

[S2F]

What exactly is the evidence that indicates Puma Punku was flooded? I must have missed that bit. Is it just soil displacement? How is normal soil displacement via erosion sufficiently ruled out? Puma Punku sits on the floor of a rather desolate valley largely devoid of any trees or large bushes to hold the soil in place. In such an area soil displacement via normal erosion methods is going to be common and frequent (as common and frequent as rain and wind at any rate).

Edited February 28, 2013 by Slave2Fate