The Ancient Alien Theory Is True

[Abramelin]

I wouldn't underestimate how ancient the Peruvian sites could actually be.

My feeling is that any of the precision relics, particularly the megalithic in Turkey, Egypt, and Peru go well back into the deep and distant.

I agree with you about the Turkey site. It is very ancient.

What amazed me is the stunning similarity with the Peruvian walls. We all here have posted examples of walls made of polygonal stones from all over the world, but the Hittite ones come so very close to the Peruvian ones, that had I not said it were walls made by the Hittites, everyone would have assumed they were Peruvian/Inca walls.

Maybe people who lived in areas that suffered a lot from heavy earthquakes (like Peru, Bolivia and Anatolia) invented the same solution for making their structures earthquake proof.

But did anyone find proof of aliens in Anatolia?

Not that I know of.

[zoser]

More ancient precision in granite:

Serapeum Saqqara:

Quoth Dunn:

This is why I believe that these artifacts that I have measured in Egypt, are the smoking gun that proves, without a shadow of a doubt, that a higher civilization than what we have been taught existed in ancient Egypt. The evidence is cut into the stone.

The boxes that are off the beaten tourist's path in the rock tunnels of the Serapeum would be extremely difficult to produce today. Their smooth flat surfaces, orthogonal perfection and incredibly small inside corner radii that I have inspected with modern precision straight edges, squares and radius gages, leave me in awe. Even though after contacting four precision granite manufacturers I could not find one who could replicate their perfection, I would not say that it would be impossible to make one today—if we had a good reason to do so. But what would that reason be? For what purpose would we quarry an 80-ton block of granite, hollow its inside and proceed to craft it to such a high level of accuracy? Why would we find it necessary to craft the top surface of this box so that a lid with an equally flat underside surface would sit square with the inside walls?

And from India (Vadadika Caves, Bihar)

All hacked out with copper chisels and dolerite pounders?

I think not.

[seeder]

Hi seeder, I did read the wiki link you provided thank you. I have heard the term "pillow faced" and thought it described the puffy looking stone work we have been discussing? i've never heard of mud or clay turning into sandstone on a constructed wall... as Swede kindly pointed out, sandstone takes a lot of time to form.

I think Wiki missed the boat on this one as.. I believe most of the constructions at Machu Picchu are made of the same white Granite as the peaks they are built on. (maybe some limestone too?) Most of the walls we are discussing are granite or limestone? ... i don't know of any pillow faced sandstone walls.

Hi, sorry for a late reply... been trying to cope with the after effects of drinking too many beers last night. It seems I went beyond the pint of no return .haha!

Ok well in response to your question I need to first make clear Im making no assertions on the clay/sandstone angle. The wiki entry stated they made these clay covered bricks and I was just looking into various angles. Naturally deposited sandstone I agree can take a long time to form, But we are talking of silty clay, sun baked or even fired, the kind of stuff that may eventually, overtime, form, or look like - traditional sandstone, or just very sandy-clay-stone. see the following:

"Eogenesis (early diagenesis) in sand can create sandstone in as little as a few years, or tens of years in the right environment. Sandstone may be cemented by quartz, calcite, clay minerals, gypsum, anhydrite, iron oxides, and other things. In an evaporitic environment sulphates like gypsum or anhydrite could cement sand into sandstone quite rapidly. Calcite is another cement that could precipitate by rapid evaporation. One example of an environment where sandstone might form quite rapidly in this manner is an alluvial fan that is close to an evaporitic lake, like in Death Valley. I would suggest that similar environments exist near the Dead Sea.

However, most sandstone is cemented by quartz and clay minerals, and these often take high pressure and temperature to be deposited (diagenesis). To reach higher pressures it may take many thousands of years, or even millions of years for the unconsolidated sandstone to be buried and eventually cemented.

"Source: Notes from Dr. Earl McBride's sedimentology classes)

So where wiki says they covered stones in clay...and the kind of clay you and I and the Peruvians can find at any riverbank is indeed gritty/sandy/silty... the simple notion was - how 1500 year old clay rocks/bricks will look like today? Might they be mistaken for sandstone? Im not a rock hound as you can guess!

You see zoser will have everyone believe that PP is made of granite. But this is not so, red sandstone was used, (AND other stones incl granite).

Because the wiki entry says pillow faced style was ONLY used for the Royal buildings, and because of zosers insistence the stones were soft when set, well thats all I was investigating. Its just another something for the pot.

Personally - how they built it is of little interest to me. There are many things we dont know, and sometimes thats the fun of it. zoser will obsess about holes in rocks, mold marks, shiny surfaces, and discount all possible explanations - but aliens.

I spend some of my net time actually looking up, - trying to find - more factual possibilities. The clay idea, based on a wiki entry, was just another possibility.

As a skeptic, I will look at zosers claims, thats all I do. Mostly as has been demonstrated - I pull his sources to bits for having no credibility whatsoever. Also as a skeptic, Im not the one to have to prove anything!

I still dont know exactly how the old sites were built. But then, there's many many things I dont know, and may never know. But Im mature enough to be able to live with that

And I dont really care. Whether they chipped their fingernails beating rocks with harder rocks to shape them, or chiseled them with finely made - but not the hardest - of tools. Or covered them in clay and sun fired them or burnt them into hardness, I just dont care. It was built - it was good. end of!

As soon as I discovered polygonal masonry was 'the' way to build all around the ancient world, PumaPunku lost what little mystery it may have ever had for me. Romans and Greeks were doing it first anyway

I also dont believe aliens will visit and instruct or help man to build anything. Nobody claims 'aliens' in regard to the ancient Greek structures do they? Which are, without any doubt, more ingenious than anything zoser has posted.

Todays new word: Ashlar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashlar

note the wall in Machu Pichu on above link

Edited March 10, 2013 by seeder

[Abramelin]

Zoser, you have suggested that the deformed skulls found in Peru were the skulls of the aliens that built those cyclopean polygonal walls.

Am I correct?

But they have not found any elongated/deformed skull in Hattusha.

So what does that mean?

[zoser]

Zoser, you have suggested that the deformed skulls found in Peru were the skulls of the aliens that built those cyclopean polygonal walls.

Am I correct?

But they have not found any elongated/deformed skull in Hattusha.

So what does that mean?

The skulls were obviously hybrids. They have been found all over South America.

They have been found in Turkey:

Early-Neolithic deformed skull from Iran, Wikipedia image: these skulls are common from about 5,000 to 7,000 BC in the areas that would later become Iran and then diffusing out into the surrounding territories. Many skulls in the same time period from Iraq, Southern Turkey and Syria are also deformed but not usually so severely. In later historical time many of the Iranian-speaking nomads of Central Asia continued the tradition and eventually the trait was introduced into Europe from the East by the invasions of the Huns.

http://www.ancient-w...deformation.htm

Interestingly elongated skulls from Turkey are also mentioned in the book I'm currently reading. Written by guess who?

http://www.amazon.co...iews/1935487760

Edited March 10, 2013 by zoser

[Rafterman]

Zoser, have you met Turbonium?

[BCMountains]

AS far as the building of the enormous

It takes a certain type of understanding to really embrace the ancient alien theory, as most skeptics do not, cannot, and will not be able to process this information. Yes, there is a God and Jesus Christ did walk this Earth, however , I am of the opinion that there roles and purpose was misunderstood .... I am also a Christian that also believed extraterrestrials played a huge part in developing mankind..... There is NO debunking the building and creAting of these enormous ancient structures..,,anyone who thinks that regular human beings built these structures are not capable of processing the truth ... It is not there fault ..... Some people are not meant to understand.. But in due time all will know.

The construction of the pyramids and other large projects, although impressive, it is well within the means of human ingenuity to accomplish. Using a combination of leverage, friction reduction and torque multiplication hoisting devices. Not too difficult for a large workforce with skilled leadership.

[seeder]

AS far as the building of the enormous The construction of the pyramids and other large projects, although impressive, it is well within the means of human ingenuity to accomplish. Using a combination of leverage, friction reduction and torque multiplication hoisting devices. Not too difficult for a large workforce with skilled leadership.

Welcome! But that poster no longer responds to this thread. Nice to have a new person with common sense - in this subject!

[BCMountains]

AS far as the building of the enormous The construction of the pyramids and other large projects, although impressive, it is well within the means of human ingenuity to accomplish. Using a combination of leverage, friction reduction and torque multiplication hoisting devices. Not too difficult for a large workforce with skilled leadership.

AS far as the building of the enormous The construction of the pyramids and other large projects, although impressive, it is well within the means of human ingenuity to accomplish. Using a combination of leverage, friction reduction and torque multiplication hoisting devices. Not too difficult for a large workforce with skilled leadership.

Now if they had left us with a giant rare earth sphere illuminated by an unknown energy source I would have to agree that ancient aliens were here.

[zoser]

Zoser, have you met Turbonium?

A stranger by name; does he frequent these parts?

[zoser]

Welcome! But that poster no longer responds to this thread. Nice to have a new person with common sense - in this subject!

That like the other skeptics here will be completely unable to sustantiate his claims no doubt.

[Abramelin]

The skulls were obviously hybrids. They have been found all over South America.

They have been found in Turkey:

Early-Neolithic deformed skull from Iran, Wikipedia image: these skulls are common from about 5,000 to 7,000 BC in the areas that would later become Iran and then diffusing out into the surrounding territories. Many skulls in the same time period from Iraq, Southern Turkey and Syria are also deformed but not usually so severely. In later historical time many of the Iranian-speaking nomads of Central Asia continued the tradition and eventually the trait was introduced into Europe from the East by the invasions of the Huns.

http://www.ancient-w...deformation.htm

Interestingly elongated skulls from Turkey are also mentioned in the book I'm currently reading. Written by guess who?

http://www.amazon.co...iews/1935487760

But Hattusha is not any way near the age of those skulls.

And read again what I highlighted in blue...

[Space Commander Travis]

A stranger by name; does he frequent these parts?

i think you'd get on.

[seeder]

Now if they had left us with a giant rare earth sphere illuminated by an unknown energy source I would have to agree that ancient aliens were here.

Precisely right! You need to take everything zoser says with a large pinch of salt. As an ex engineer, teacher and current worker at the British Museum, he lacks any real knowledge in all 3 careers, as you will see as his posts are made and remade...

Furthermore, his sources are all guys who have written books on 'ancient aliens' and who have zero credibility. They are not experts in anything except how to rinse money from the gullible folk out there, Von Daniken styley. So zoser quotes from works of fiction. Fiction, that he cant separate from any kind of reality. He is thoroughly delusional.

[zoser]

But Hattusha is not any way near the age of those skulls.

Can you be sure? Recall what I said about later civilisations building on top of much older ones. It is seen a lot in Peru.

Does the dating refer to the later occupants? I found evidence of at least two types of building there from the images I have seen.

[seeder]

That like the other skeptics here will be completely unable to sustantiate his claims no doubt.

skeptics do not 'make claims'... they/we look at the ridiculous claims of others and compare them to what is actually known on various subjects. Youre the one crying aliens. Yet you have never offered a shred of evidence. You just post rock-porn all the time

[Abramelin]

Can you be sure? Recall what I said about later civilisations building on top of much older ones. It is seen a lot in Peru.

Does the dating refer to the later occupants? I found evidence of at least two types of building there from the images I have seen.

For the X-th time: I am quite sure your house doesn't look anything like a cathedral.

And the dating says it's from the 2nd millenium BCE.

[Abramelin]

But Hattusha is not any way near the age of those skulls.

And read again what I highlighted in blue...

Just saying.

[seeder]

Can you be sure? Recall what I said about later civilisations building on top of much older ones. It is seen a lot in Peru.

Does the dating refer to the later occupants? I found evidence of at least two types of building there from the images I have seen.

Is this even relevant? London is built entirely over ancient civilizations. As are many towns and cities...TODAY!

It means nothing except that the land is reused. If a certain group built over the remains of a former house it means they were just using whats available. No mystery there

[seeder]

I had hoped that you were able to see that those Hittite polygonal walls are much older than anything like it in South America.

And there's a difference: the Hittites did write, but everything has not been translated yet.

Bit more:

Hittite Fortifications c.1650-700 BC

Konstantin Nossov

http://books.google....anatolia&f=true

Cheers for the vid, got it on now, looks interesting - as its a BBC program Id imagine zoser wont watch it at all..

[Everdred]

Ok well in response to your question I need to first make clear Im making no assertions on the clay/sandstone angle. The wiki entry stated they made these clay covered bricks and I was just looking into various angles. Naturally deposited sandstone I agree can take a long time to form, But we are talking of silty clay, sun baked or even fired, the kind of stuff that may eventually, overtime, form, or look like - traditional sandstone, or just very sandy-clay-stone. see the following:

A claim on wikipedia without a citation is worth its weight in manure.

So where wiki says they covered stones in clay...and the kind of clay you and I and the Peruvians can find at any riverbank is indeed gritty/sandy/silty... the simple notion was - how 1500 year old clay rocks/bricks will look like today? Might they be mistaken for sandstone? Im not a rock hound as you can guess!

It could possibly be mistaken for sandstone with a mere glance, but simply chipping a bit off and looking at the internal texture, or indeed even just licking it, would quickly reveal that it was fired clay.

[zoser]

Just saying.

Couldn't find anything highlighted in blue. Unless you mean a URL?

The fact that elongated skulls have been found in Turkey is another smoking gun imho.

The rest is just arguments over dates.

[Everdred]

Here's a fun artifact I thought might be of interest. This is a late antique (4th century CE) sarcophagus made of porphyry, a type of granite prized for its beautiful color. This specific sarcophagus was fashioned for Saint Helen and currently rests in the Vatican Museums. Note that this is a finely carved piece; perfectly straight orthogonal corners, a perfectly fitting lid, and beautifully detailed deep relief. I'd like to see an alien do such fine work.

Edited March 10, 2013 by Everdred

[SHaYap]

Just saying.

found the fourth vial of Ice9 yet?

[seeder]

Couldn't find anything highlighted in blue. Unless you mean a URL?

haha more proof he doesnt read. shall we try again?

The skulls were obviously hybrids. They have been found all over South America.

They have been found in Turkey:

Early-Neolithic deformed skull from Iran, Wikipedia image: these skulls are common from about 5,000 to 7,000 BC in the areas that would later become Iran and then diffusing out into the surrounding territories. Many skulls in the same time period from Iraq, Southern Turkey and Syria are also deformed but not usually so severely. In later historical time many of the Iranian-speaking nomads of Central Asia continued the tradition and eventually the trait was introduced into Europe from the East by the invasions of the Huns.

http://www.ancient-w...deformation.htm

Interestingly elongated skulls from Turkey are also mentioned in the book I'm currently reading. Written by guess who?

http://www.amazon.co...iews/1935487760