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The Ancient Alien Theory Is True

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I see zoser has been trolling again. You know he just makes this stuff up or copy/pastes somebody else's ideas just to get a rise out of people right? He has nothing yet likes to claim victory over the skeptics, classic troll.

Nio, that's not fair. Trolls are, as a rule, rude and illiterate. He's always scrupulously polite, I think it's a bit unair to say that just because you can't believe you can't believe that anyone could think the things that they do that that means they're a Troll.

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Never going to trust you to build a bridge.

Yet you could never convincingly explain in a hundred years how they achieved that one example of craftsmanship.

I'm not sure whether I'd call it craftsmanship,or bodging, really; wouldn't it be more craftsman-like to construct something neatly & elegantly out of uniform size blocks that fit neatly rather than having to bodge it by sawing bits off corners and shoehorning bits in here & there? Although I have heard craftsmanship described as "the art of fitting together things that don't fit", so maybe it is. At any rate, couldn't the AAs have arranged it that the blocks fitted properly to begin with rather than trying to make blocks that didn't fit fit?

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Nio, that's not fair. Trolls are, as a rule, rude and illiterate. He's always scrupulously polite, I think it's a bit unair to say that just because you can't believe you can't believe that anyone could think the things that they do that that means they're a Troll.

If trolls are illiterate, how do they post in a forum?

I beg to differ, I find his manner with myself, Jim Oberg, or anyone that can offer a reasonable challenge to the posting presented deplorable. He is nice to you, because you have not shown him to be 100% incorrect. Troll is indeed an apt description, now that you have mentioned it.

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I'm not sure whether I'd call it craftsmanship,or bodging, really; wouldn't it be more craftsman-like to construct something neatly & elegantly out of uniform size blocks that fit neatly rather than having to bodge it by sawing bits off corners and shoehorning bits in here & there? Although I have heard craftsmanship described as "the art of fitting together things that don't fit", so maybe it is. At any rate, couldn't the AAs have arranged it that the blocks fitted properly to begin with rather than trying to make blocks that didn't fit fit?

That is how I did a Granite Floor from left over cut outs form kitchen sinks. Hard to cut granite neatly, you need to deploy work arounds on the spot. Levels were the hardest bit though. Not every cut off was the same thickness. Looks a million bucks though. Was worth the months of effort. I bet is will last for ever. Any alien would be proud to say they did it. If I wanted to cut them all into neat single uniform shapes and fit them together, heck, it might still not be finished.

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This is the video Oniomancer posted:

How to precisely shape rock with primitive tools:

http://www.videopedi...ire-Part-3-of-6

This is the transcript:

http://www.pbs.org/w...s/2404inca.html

Intro:

http://www.videopedi...ire-Part-1-of-6

"Aliens" (a whole village) moving a huge stone:

http://www.videopedi...ire-Part-2-of-6

"Melting" stone using mirrors... not. And part of the Inca Trail... sigh:

http://www.videopedi...ire-Part-4-of-6

A whole village building a suspension bridge from rope in 3 days (and how to prepare guinea pig):

http://www.videopedi...ire-Part-5-of-6

How to walk over a suspension bridge and not sh1t your pants:

http://www.videopedi...ire-Part-6-of-6

Especially that remark from the commentator was nice: only use the rails for balance, but don't lean on it or it will topple over...

Btw, I found out the best way to do it (certainly if you are 6 feet tall like I am) is to walk with bent legs, almost like a frog. The Peruvians will laugh at you from both sides... and you will laugh too, once you've crossed it and swear to everything holy you won't do that ever again (forgetting you have to get back too...).

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And the fact that vitrification is a known result of high temperature doesn't indicate a slight flaw in the sandpaper argument?

zoser - who didnt know Peru can freeze till I proved it for him, keeps banging on about smooth shiny rocks and that they CAN ONLY be done by heat...now I posted a link a day or 2 back so I wouldnt forget to bring something up...then I forgot about it... :blush:

but its come back again.. (thanks to zoser for endlessly repeating things)

so heres a highly polished slab of rock. click for bigger

post-135078-0-98184400-1357896421_thumb.

image source

http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/10af.html

know what polished that? Its wasnt heat...nor man...

But a glacier...ice and time

so as we are informed by zoser that Peru doesnt freeze, to further prove this...heres a huge glacier...(in Peru)

http://en.wikipedia....aya_Glacier.jpg

So would it not be entirely possible, and plausible, that some already polished rocks were used?

Not that I feel I have to find reasons for pumapunku... my mind is already made up but I do like to prove zoser wrong.

Only high heat can polish? think again...

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zoser - who didnt know Peru can freeze till I proved it for him, keeps banging on about smooth shiny rocks and that they CAN ONLY be done by heat...now I posted a link a day or 2 back so I wouldnt forget to bring something up...then I forgot about it... :blush:

but its come back again.. (thanks to zoser for endlessly repeating things)

so heres a highly polished slab of rock. click for bigger

post-135078-0-98184400-1357896421_thumb.

image source

http://www.physicalg...ntals/10af.html

know what polished that? Its wasnt heat...nor man...

But a glacier...ice and time

so as we are informed by zoser that Peru doesnt freeze, to further prove this...heres a huge glacier...(in Peru)

http://en.wikipedia....aya_Glacier.jpg

So would it not be entirely possible, and plausible, that some already polished rocks were used?

Not that I feel I have to find reasons for pumapunku... my mind is already made up but I do like to prove zoser wrong.

Only high heat can polish? think again...

I have another to add to the list now. :yes:

Zoser, you have completely failed at every debate you've had in this thread. You have been shown to be lacking education time and time again. When real evidence is given, you just skip over it and refuse to comment on it. Then you go on with the same BS again and again.

You still believe

99.9% of researches are lying.

.01% of researchers are telling the truth even though they are making loads of money for spewing their BS.

These are all things that you have posted in this thread. (Newcomers, this is no joke. Zoser actually used these to plead his case).

If it is on video then it is real.

500 years ago was the stone age.

It never freezes in Peru.

Humans cannot move large rocks.

If it is on the History Channel then it must be true.

The show Ancient Aliens is 100% fact.

Only high heat can polish.

Let's not forget how you feel that anything can be labled as being precise.

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I have another to add to the list now. :yes:

Zoser, you have completely failed at every debate you've had in this thread. You have been shown to be lacking education time and time again. When real evidence is given, you just skip over it and refuse to comment on it. Then you go on with the same BS again and again.

You still believe

99.9% of researches are lying.

.01% of researchers are telling the truth even though they are making loads of money for spewing their BS.

These are all things that you have posted in this thread. (Newcomers, this is no joke. Zoser actually used these to plead his case).

If it is on video then it is real.

500 years ago was the stone age.

It never freezes in Peru.

Humans cannot move large rocks.

If it is on the History Channel then it must be true.

The show Ancient Aliens is 100% fact.

Only high heat can polish.

Let's not forget how you feel that anything can be labled as being precise.

i love how angry it makes people.

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Never going to trust you to build a bridge.

Yet you could never convincingly explain in a hundred years how they achieved that one example of craftsmanship.

That is a fact, if I were trying to convince someone with their head in the place I referred to in my previous response to you.

Harte

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Good point. I'll ponder on this one.

Amazing that light reflects off stone?

A drilled hole is polished by the bit.

Harte

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Amazing that light reflects off stone?

A drilled hole is polished by the bit.

Harte

I haven't had the time to look at the video to be honest. Is it just a hole that was drilled by an actual drill bit or is it one of those 'mysterious ancient "perfect holes"'. (The multiple layers of quotes was needed to contain the hilarity)

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I haven't had the time to look at the video to be honest. Is it just a hole that was drilled by an actual drill bit or is it one of those 'mysterious ancient "perfect holes"'. (The multiple layers of quotes was needed to contain the hilarity)

A tube saw cut that hole.

A tube saw that is hand powered will make hundreds of thousands of revolutions in the hole. This along with the sand abrasive used to do the actual cutting is more than enough to polish the inside of the hole, as long as the rock is hard enough to take a polish.

As you may imagine, softer stones won't polish through continuous rubbing like a harder stone will.

Harte

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A tube saw cut that hole.

A tube saw that is hand powered will make hundreds of thousands of revolutions in the hole. This along with the sand abrasive used to do the actual cutting is more than enough to polish the inside of the hole, as long as the rock is hard enough to take a polish.

As you may imagine, softer stones won't polish through continuous rubbing like a harder stone will.

Harte

Sounds logical to me, but I haven't found any images of hand powered tube saws, though I haven't seen any aliens either.

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<snip>

"Aliens" (a whole village) moving a huge stone:

http://www.videopedi...ire-Part-2-of-6

<snip>

A screenshot from the video:

Inca_moving_stone.jpg

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Sounds logical to me, but I haven't found any images of hand powered tube saws, though I haven't seen any aliens either.

From an Egyptian tomb relief showing how they made stone vases. This pic shows them using a boring tool which was applied after the tubular drill.

vase_making_using_a_boring_tool.jpg

Below is a diagram of the bow drill (copper tube) used by Denys Stocks in his recreation of the Egyptian coring process:

coring_drill_used_in_the_rock_cutting_experiment.jpg

Source for both: Archae Solenhofen

Reading that page is very edumacational.

Harte

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Reading that page is very edumacational.

Harte

Well, bust my kneecaps and call me Shortie. Now Harte, does this make more logical sense then, say, aliens joy riding to Earth to shoot lasers into rocks?

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Well, that's the trouble with boring tools. They're... boring.

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And I want to add this to Harte's post about Egyptian tools (and I know from experience in this thread that a repeat now and then won't hurt):

Saqqarah_vases.jpg

(...) a bas-relief from the tomb of Mera, at SAQQARAH (VI dynasty, 3Millenium B.C., Egypt) shows the hollowing out of "Egyptian alabaster" (CaCO3) vases by a liquid contained in a water skin or bladder. An experiment of interest was to compare the "bio-tooling" technique with the shaping of a hole using a steel tool and the quartz sand technique recommended by prehistorians. The hole resulting from sand abrasion has rough walls, whereas bio-tooling gives a smooth finish.”

Don't forget to read the rest of the pdf.

http://www.geopolymer.org/fichiers_pdf/CemPlant.pdf

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=237842&st=2295#entry4587189

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Fire in the hole!

See above post old boy.

I will assume you meant post 4559 with the video titled "Real ancient technology found in Cuzco, Peru" If that's not the correct post please let me know.

I watched the video from start to finish. Some parts of the video it was impossible for me to make out what the person was saying as it seemed he wasn't speaking directly into the microphone but away from it. However here is my assessment:

For starters let me post an image of a standard stone drill bit.

2pcs-80mm-Flute-Length-14mm-Tip-Width-font-b-Stone-b-font-font-b-Concrete-b.jpg

You can see it has a channel that helps remove the debris as the hole is drilled.

The video mostly revolves around one specific hole and the narrator talks about how it was made with a high speed rotary or vibrational tool. He then goes on to describe the score marks as debris that was pushed ahead of the tool as the hole was made.

The title of the video and the narrators comment about his belief of the type of tool used are misleading as nothing of a technological nature is shown at all during the video. The remark about the debris being pushed through the hole as it was made is quite telling and is the reason for posting the image of a stone bit. High technology would have removed the debris as the hole was being drilled to keep the bit from binding in the hole so there wouldn't be any debris to be pushed through the hole as it was being made. The existence of the debris marks shows a decidedly low tech approach to drilling the hole.

Of course that video has nothing to do with my post concerning a lack of evidence for molding so your fire in the hole basically fizzled.

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Never going to trust you to build a bridge.

Yet you could never convincingly explain in a hundred years how they achieved that one example of craftsmanship.

That's funny you'd say that too. I was going to ask if it came up again if anyone would trust chris dunn to, seeing as how he's not a structural engineer.

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I'm not sure whether I'd call it craftsmanship,or bodging, really; wouldn't it be more craftsman-like to construct something neatly & elegantly out of uniform size blocks that fit neatly rather than having to bodge it by sawing bits off corners and shoehorning bits in here & there? Although I have heard craftsmanship described as "the art of fitting together things that don't fit", so maybe it is. At any rate, couldn't the AAs have arranged it that the blocks fitted properly to begin with rather than trying to make blocks that didn't fit fit?

Which is more work, selecting a bunch of rocks that almost fit and removing just enough to make them or taking any old rocks that don't fit at all and removing however much is necessary to do so uniformly regardless?

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zoser - who didnt know Peru can freeze till I proved it for him, keeps banging on about smooth shiny rocks and that they CAN ONLY be done by heat...now I posted a link a day or 2 back so I wouldnt forget to bring something up...then I forgot about it... :blush:

but its come back again.. (thanks to zoser for endlessly repeating things)

so heres a highly polished slab of rock. click for bigger

post-135078-0-98184400-1357896421_thumb.

image source

http://www.physicalg...ntals/10af.html

know what polished that? Its wasnt heat...nor man...

But a glacier...ice and time

so as we are informed by zoser that Peru doesnt freeze, to further prove this...heres a huge glacier...(in Peru)

http://en.wikipedia....aya_Glacier.jpg

So would it not be entirely possible, and plausible, that some already polished rocks were used?

Not that I feel I have to find reasons for pumapunku... my mind is already made up but I do like to prove zoser wrong.

Only high heat can polish? think again...

I'll add this to that:

http://geology.about.com/od/geology_ca/ig/mammothrocks/saskrubrock.htm

Presumably we can infer from this that the creators possess advanced heat generating technology, and so they do, as evidenced by the amount of steam it produces.

Interesting that in de jong's video, we find the majority of shine as concentrated in the two lowermost rows at the level of animal traffic, with some extending to human level. I wonder how far it it actually goes in most cases?

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I'll add this to that:

http://geology.about...saskrubrock.htm

Presumably we can infer from this that the creators possess advanced heat generating technology, and so they do, as evidenced by the amount of steam it produces.

Interesting that in de jong's video, we find the majority of shine as concentrated in the two lowermost rows at the level of animal traffic, with some extending to human level. I wonder how far it it actually goes in most cases?

Just more bizarre irrelevancies. No idea what point is being made here. I do like Mr O thought.

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zoser - who didnt know Peru can freeze till I proved it for him, keeps banging on about smooth shiny rocks and that they CAN ONLY be done by heat...now I posted a link a day or 2 back so I wouldnt forget to bring something up...then I forgot about it... :blush:

but its come back again.. (thanks to zoser for endlessly repeating things)

so heres a highly polished slab of rock. click for bigger

post-135078-0-98184400-1357896421_thumb.

image source

http://www.physicalg...ntals/10af.html

know what polished that? Its wasnt heat...nor man...

But a glacier...ice and time

so as we are informed by zoser that Peru doesnt freeze, to further prove this...heres a huge glacier...(in Peru)

http://en.wikipedia....aya_Glacier.jpg

So would it not be entirely possible, and plausible, that some already polished rocks were used?

Not that I feel I have to find reasons for pumapunku... my mind is already made up but I do like to prove zoser wrong.

Only high heat can polish? think again...

Not polish.

Vitrification (me thinks he knows that really).

See here:

http://secretsofthesunsects.wordpress.com/2011/12/05/incan-vitrified-stones/

It's all there; I can't read it for you.

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Do you know what a template is?

Yes but how does it help with this:

26029331.jpg

The more I read these bizarre posts the more I really draw the conclusion that people are either living in dreamland or don't have a clue what they are talking about or both.

How on God's earth is a template going to help with irregular stonework.

God help the minds of some of you people.

How can individual templates possibly produce work as accurately as that?

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