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The Ancient Alien Theory Is True

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You don't know whether the abilities you mentioned are impossible or not, and have no way to find out. You also don't seem to have a realistic appreciation for the complexity of most if not all crop circles.

You're right, I don't know if they're impossible or just as yet unachieved by human technology.

However, as things stand, people smarter then I have said "their moments are impossible" with the caveat "under the understood laws of physics".

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Front of a car? Good God

I remember thinking it seemed stupid at the time but you went along with it in grand style. It was about the same time you tried getting me to believe those carving could somehow have been made to represent clouds and lightning or some other similar bullsh*t.

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So you're going with they were plastered over, carved over, and all the plaster fell out resulting in that group of carvings all looking like different types of air vehicles. In order to ease some of the inner discomfort you have from putting your faith in such an incredibly astounding coincidence IF that's what happened (though by all appearance that is NOT what happened), you're trying to ease the feeling a bit by pretending you can't see how any of the other carvings could resemble any sorts of air vehicles. It's pathetic really, from my pov.

Answer my question then Nopeda - why have these hieroglyphs never turned up elsewhere?

And they HAVE to be hieroglyphs BTW because they're positioned within word structures, rather then as part of a fresco.

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Quaentum, on 30 November 2012 - 11:47 AM, said:

Yet the banal explanations are the ones, that in the long run, are supported as more information and evidence are unearthed so to speak.

And they are???????????

These people never really "have" anything. What few unlikely sounding possibilities they present never seem to be something they can agree on for sure either. They seem to present several unlikely sounding ideas and then expect a person to pick one...or some similar such thing. They never seem able to say exactly which particular possibility a person should put their faith in, but it seems any will do however absurd seeming as long as it doesn't involve beings from another star system.

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nopeda, on 29 November 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

It's a challenge but you're afraid of it, and rightly so I feel sure. Here it is again: Which particular starting line did I point out that you can't get to, do you have any idea? Do you think there's any chance you ever could get to it if so, and if so what do you think it would take in order for you to be able to get there? Well? :mellow: What???

No not a challenge

. . .

This is number 3 .

You have failed the challenge three times meaning you are totally defeated. You can't meet the challenge :no: or even attempt to. You lose.

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nopeda, on 29 November 2012 - 06:22 PM, said:

What physics defying devices are you referring to?

Some of the crop circles that were done in four hours in the dark with no one making noises other people in the area could hear make me believe they may very well not have been done by humans. Also, just as I've never known of people demonstrating how hundred ton rocks can be cut and stacked without the use of wheels, pulleys or steel, I'm not aware of people showing how they can make some of the complex crop circles in the dark in only four hours without making noise. So...

Tsk, tsk... back to the hundred-ton stone line again? I take it you didn't bother to research any of the references I supplied you...

Not "back to" anything. Those things still remain and will remain until it's made clear how humans could have done every bit of it. So far it hasn't been, but if you want to try then go ahead and make an attempt.

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nopeda, on 29 November 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

The supposed condition supposedly traveled to doesn't exist any more, so there's no place to travel to ON TOP OF the fact that the supposed traveler doesn't travel but remains the same while everything else in the universe does change. There's nothing left for you, try as you may to cling to.... :wacko: ...whatever. There's nothing :no: left of it.

You evidently have a very difficult time comprehending the concept and further attempts would get us nowhere.

Oh I understand the concept. The concept is that somehow all conditions and positions of matter in the universe always exist and could somehow always be traveled to somehow, somehow... But I also understand that the conditions and positions all matter was in 30 minutes ago NO LONGER EXIST, nor do they for 5 seconds ago, or a hundred years, or 2 thousand, etc...etc... I understand and appreciate that part TOO but apparently you can not. THAT is the starting line, but it's possible you'll never :no: be able to reach it during your entire life.

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Alright, you want an explanation?

There exists a device called a "Piece of Eden" which is a relic from a precursor human culture, it enable manipulation of the basic fundaments of reality such as Newtonian physics, the builders of these places used this "Piece of Eden" to build the complex.

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in a dense medium such as water or glass, light slows down

Duh. You need to try explaining what adjusts its speed in the "vacuum" of space around the Earth and any other few places where humans have been able to check. It seems even you should have been able to comprehend that much. And it doesn't just have to be slowed down either. That's only true for light from objects moving toward the Earth. For objects moving away from the Earth it seems light would have to be speeded up not slowed down, in order for it all to arrive at the same velocity relative to this planet.

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So far, much as you wish, you've been able to suggest nothing else he could be other than an alien. You need to say:

1. how he could be native to a planet he created.

2. how you could have built the place you were born in.

Until you can answer both you still have nothing but a strong wish of some sort.

There are religious philosophies that claim that God is a part of everything and everything is a part of God. Therefore God would be 'native' to everywhere and everywhen. Explain that with alien babble. You fail to see the distinction between a creator God and some race of high tech aliens. If an all powerful God exists then the aliens would be a creation as well. The very concepts are lightyears apart...pun intended.

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There are religious philosophies that claim that God is a part of everything and everything is a part of God. Therefore God would be 'native' to everywhere and everywhen. Explain that with alien babble. You fail to see the distinction between a creator God and some race of high tech aliens. If an all powerful God exists then the aliens would be a creation as well. The very concepts are lightyears apart...pun intended.

As far as I can tell, Nopeda believes that God as presented in the Bible etc is impossible.

Because a couple of us have already proffered "durr, God is God" style explanations when he challenged us with "what else could he be but an alien?" and he's valiantly ignored us.

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Duh. You need to try explaining what adjusts its speed in the "vacuum" of space around the Earth and any other few places where humans have been able to check. It seems even you should have been able to comprehend that much. And it doesn't just have to be slowed down either. That's only true for light from objects moving toward the Earth. For objects moving away from the Earth it seems light would have to be speeded up not slowed down, in order for it all to arrive at the same velocity relative to this planet.

Give it up nopeda, nobody agrees with your convoluted and misguided (not to mention embarrassingly wrong) attempts to argue the properties of light. Even your fellow ETH proponents have given up trying to correct you on it. When you get to the point where everyone disagrees with you the most likely explanation is that you are wrong. Swallow your pride, show some dignity and move on.

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As far as I can tell, Nopeda believes that God as presented in the Bible etc is impossible.

Because a couple of us have already proffered "durr, God is God" style explanations when he challenged us with "what else could he be but an alien?" and he's valiantly ignored us.

I have noticed an extreme reluctance to learn anything contrary to his own beliefs. I have never, not once, seen him alter his position on anything, despite ironclad examples of his errors. At what point does such constitute trolling?

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Questfortruth - are all stories true? The Republican seemingly every day are telling us the Obama is an evil Kenyan Muslim Atheist socialist hell bent on dooming Merica. Adoolph Hitler was a vegetarian, Catholic puppet according to some stories. God is a dragon who eats supplicants. The world is flat. Kenedy was assassinated by the CIA. Australia is actuall home to a gateway to another dimension.... there are literlly tones of stories out there, and how many are true?

The religions of the world are not just stories, but ways of life that entire nations with millions of people die, kill, and lead their lives a certain way for. Religion is the most dangerous drug on the planet and it has infected the majority, wheater it be islam or christianity.

AND, the reason people act in such ways for their religions are because the so called "stories" are SO important and believed as truth... In this day and age, these stories that create the most influential writings of the history of the world, have become obvious accounts of extra terrestrials.

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really?

I believe in the Bible, I can see the accounts that are metaphor/parable etc etc and not a one of them say "extraterrestial" to me, they say "superntural"

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There is circumstantial evidence of alien visitation, perhaps even direct evidence. That some folks do not accept that evidence, or rationalize it away, does not really change anything.

The bolded, I am afraid makes a significant impact on the musing put forth.

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I have told you too many time that I do not have access to Youtube, and have asked you specifically to refrain from it when referring to me. Every other poster on the board has taken my request into consideration except yourself This is just a flame as I have told you before if youtube is all you have, do not bother. I have had it blocked, and I have no intention of lifting the ban. I specifically hate Youtube. I take it you go out of your way to earn my contempt.

As such, dio I need to tell you where to stick this?

But this is the sort of courtesy you afford to everyone from what I see.

You did not understand the significance of the samples, did you?

Edited by psyche101

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As I headed into the computer room this morning, I was formulating in my mind a post dealing with these people and how, in my opinion, they are all guilty of criminal fraud. (Not related to this subject, but Hoagland tops the list) Then I read psyche 101's diatribe. I may yet do something along these lines, but it won't be as good. Thank you, sir, well done.

Thank you very much for the kind words. I am very pleased to see others taking the rape of culture seriously. I am currently drafting an email to the Labor Government, which I plan to CC the Liberals with.

I think my new crusade in life will be to kill off this destruction of global assets for personal gain.

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I think my new crusade in life will be to kill off this destruction of global assets for personal gain.

Could you use a blind but loyal sidekick?

I draw the line at wearing tights, however.

And by the way, excellent rebuttals as usual. Kudos, psyche.

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That's just another lie. You know I would like to see people prove these claims, or I think they should be charged as criminals and locked up. This is outright theft of MY right to understand heritages from across the globe and better understand the rise of man for some stupid made up alien fantasy. People who insist these stupid stories that they have reinterpreted from indigenous legend I feel are the lowest scumbags on the earth. Scratch that, as it is an insult to all bags on earth filled with scum.

In fact I think you have prompted me enough to contact my local MP.SO many have made claims that I would like to gather and use that number, including yourself, to make a complaint to the NAAJA to see if they would be interested in helping me draught and propose legislation to stop the vandalism of sacred sites, and re-writing of their historical record. It's about time someone stood up to you lot of vandals destroying culture to sell some stupid books and programs to see your name on the telly. Really, the people that do yhis should be named and shamed, and I hope I can get them made responsible for and damage done to date.

you don't believe in freedom of speech then...?

and the ability of people to look at what is presented and make up their own minds?

Your ardent desire (your new crusade) for censorship is a tad worrying...

seriously

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With all due respect sir, your position is utterly dependent upon "maybe", "perhaps", "it is possible", and similar terms.

I am afraid this is not the case at all. My roughshod description recalled form the dark corners of my mind might appear in the fashion when I have generalised, but go ahead and prove me wrong. What I have outlined are basics are we know them, not a guess of the top of my head. I leave that to the ETHers. ;)

Shoulda, coulda, woulda is never a compelling argument on subjects like this, so my apologies for not having responded to any previous posts of yours in detail.

Well no worries, thank you for this reply. Please forgive if my tone sounds terse, when I try to explain things in detail I come across that way sometimes. Do not take any remark in this post as personal. I think it I make it quite obvious when someone does irk me ;)

Coulda shoulda what exactly? Diamonds are the hardest substance know to man. As I pointed out to Zoser, a phosphor bronze blade is used to cut diamond today. How does bronze, a copper alloy, cut diamond which is much harder the red sandstone, the primary content of Puma Punku?

You said common sense insisted man was given this knowledge. That is not even a coulda shoulda. That is simply not the case as I pointed out, common sense indicates necessity is the mother of invention. There is no reason whatsoever to claim that man had help. there is no need to invoke such, nor any evidence. There are some wild unsupported theories which are largely based on outright lies pertaining to the type of material, the actual construction sizes and the dates. And we know those three items in particular are definitely lied about when the AA people talk about them. How does one base common sense on known lies?

Common sense says that if Bronze can cut Diamond, then copper can cut sandstone wouldn't you say? Leading edge and abrasion are terms you need to become familiar with here to better understand the process.

The old man in Homestead had 1 tripod with some chain and pulleys, and a curious box at the apex. Imagine how big the tripod must have been to build the great pyramid. What is that little black box at the apex?

Ed Leedskin. A housing to protect the pulley from the elements. I really, really hope you are not suggesting it is an anti gravity box or some such nonsense. The tripods were not very portable as you can see. A good nights rain could sieze up the system. Just a preventative maintenance measure. The pulley Ed used were electric and powered by his own hand built generator. The man was a master tradesman, not an Alien counterpart.

See the cables leading to his motor?

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and the generator he built to power them

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I'd like to look into the claim a bit deeper, I have herd that he made his own motor windings as well, and used stainless as opposed to copper. Be interesting to see how the resistances tolerated.

They did not use tripods on the Pyramids like that LOL, that is a funny suggestion. Nearly as funny as the Mammoths in the movie 10,000BC. Ramps and logs, leverage and labour, ropes and pulleys. But that is going off topic, and should be in the Ancients section. And I am sure that kmt_sesh could clear this up much better than I can. Note I said can, not could.

Again I draw you to a modern comparison. If it is impossible to move such things I can show you if you ever visit Downunder one of these going in - timing permitting.

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Have a look at that bottom rail. One piece. These things weigh in the order of tonnes. I know a guy who had one fall on his leg one time. Snapped it like a matchstick. Yet we manage to get these behemoths into rooms they barely fit into, once the ceiling and room is complete with only man power, no machines.

How do we do it? No machines mind you. Just manpower. Are electricians aliens?

Why did they find no tools or implements at Puma Punko? There are so many "why" questions, and the answers offered by you are not convincing IMO. Maybe you're right, but at this point in my analysis, it's not persuasive at all.

You have seen the tools used, the were bows and copper. Things that rot away in no time. Yet the same methods are still deployed today to create the same effects and using the same flimsy tools. Why would you expect a bow to last 1,800 years? Thats a bit unreasonable isn't it? I am not sure how that is not documented evidence, and much, much more qualifies than any alien theory. We still do it, so why do we need aliens? Because the finishes are nicely rounded after the last 1800 years or so? Heck, water in the environment does that. Look at the Grand Canyon. It's called weathering, but not enough to remove the telltale grooves left inside the holes that match the examples of today nicely.

I do not see any argument from you at all to be frank. Nothing, just objections to the methods shown to you that are used to accomplish the same structures and effects today. You have not qualified a single objection, you have just made them. If the above holds no answers for you, I have to consider that you do not want answers, as I would like you to point out how and why they would be inadequate, if you still hold that opinion. You have not cited any specific information offered in my post, but just offer a general objection. If you can narrow down any objections, perhaps we can address each one at a time. I am sure I have given you plenty to work with?

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you don't believe in freedom of speech then...?

and the ability of people to look at what is presented and make up their own minds?

Your ardent desire (your new crusade) for censorship is a tad worrying...

seriously

.

Quite right, if there's going to be a dictator here it's going to be ME!

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you don't believe in freedom of speech then...?

and the ability of people to look at what is presented and make up their own minds?

Your ardent desire (your new crusade) for censorship is a tad worrying...

seriously

.

I beg your pardon?

Freedom of speech???

Is that how you feel about KKK rhetoric?

That is a horrible way to attempt to disguise this vandalism.

It worries me a great deal more that so many people have no problem at all with raping culture and history to re-write it to sell a book. And frankly, I am saddened you would advocate such destruction With your background in teaching, knowledge should be foremost, not available to the highest bidder.

That is deplorable Bee. I never saw you in this light before. I am so very sorry to see this garbolgy affect good people in this fashion. This is not freedom of speech at all. It's a license to vandalise.

You know what is even worse Bee? That I also made the disclaimer:

You know I would like to see people prove these claims, or I think they should be charged as criminals and locked up.

If one claim could ever be proven, then these charlatans would have a free lunch, but I am so confident that their lies are so blatant that we will just see some people locked up, and then people would stop re-writing history altogether. But you do not want people to have to prove their claims, you seem to think raping culture is just fine open slather.

Never saw you in this light. Grange is off. Seriously, I am so very disappointed in you. In fact you have disappointed me so much I am going to sign off for the day. This is deplorable, and just sooooo much more so coming from someone whom I thought was sweet and caring. You have just broken a bit of my heart of Bee. I did not think you would go this far for these charlatans. Not against that which you have claimed to uphold in the past. I did not think you would stoop this low. If anything, I am now quite certain that I am definitely on the right track. I am going to attempt to contact the Indigenous Authority here for a personal meeting.

Man. You really wrecked my day Bee. Just Wow.

:td::(

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Quite right, if there's going to be a dictator here it's going to be ME!

Mate, I understand you good nature, but I do not find this one a laughing matter. This is terrible.

My niece did quite some work in Linguistics at Batchelor. As you probably know, indigenous culture is recorded only orally. I have seen much of her hard work, and I have seen Google steal some documents that she put so much time and effort into. All this for some numpty like Zoser to come along and re-interpret the hard work as some sort of Skylark, which then proliferates the net, and real cultures are replaced by this absolute garbage. With so little real culture remaining, I find it disgusting the Western culture re-writes this for some quick bucks. That is the part of humanity to be ashamed of, not the accomplishments these aholes at AA re-write.

I am going to call her on the Weekend too. Batchelor should probably get involved here big time. People who re-write cultures should be charged with vandalism.

Seriously, with a teaching background. I cannot believe Bee would suggest this. It should be against everything she knows. Perhaps she taught at a Steiner school or something.

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I beg your pardon? Where do you get that statistic from? I do not even know a person personally who has seen a single episode. It does not even air on FTA TV here to the best of my knowledge, you would have to pay for it. And that is a horrendous waste of money. I have thought of downloading the series from torrent sites, but I have decided it is not even worth the download. Tempting as it is to have a good laugh at Giorgio's hair, but nothing else about the show is enticing to any but the most intellectually limited. Only a handful are dim enough to actually swallow this claptrap. I think you will find that out the the majority of those who do enjoy a good fable in this vein do so for entertainment value.

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I forced myself to watch 3 episodes in a row last year just to learn what it was all about. I wouldn't call it grueling, rather embarrassing instead. I cannot even begin to fathom why anybody would watch such drivel. It is utterly mind numbing and I felt I would have lost less brain cells and be more coherent after a bottle of cheap vodka. It was bad. Needless to say that I have not endured it anymore.

Cheers,

Badeskov

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