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Easy.

The Romans wanted to demolish it. Found it was too much trouble and gave up.

And then decided to go to the trouble of building that roman-style temple on top of it instead. You know, the one with all those gigantic Roman granite columns?

We're not talking about the mass of the pyramids here. There's probably not even as much stone to remove as the typical roman mine. If they wanted it gone, it would be gone, in a year or two at most. Remember, they razed the entire city of Carthage to the ground. No small undertaking.

How's that for a typically puerile archaeological explanation?

Except it may well be true.

Want another one?

The Romans were doing an archaeological dig to see if they could understand who put together such a gargantuan construction.

The more puerile the better for this forum it seems.

Right, because the Romans cared so much about other cultures, even going so far as to take them under their wing, the better to preserve them. Obviously all that rubble and detritus was likewise to protect a precious archeological resource from contamination and looting.

There is nothing to tie those trilithons to the work of the Romans.

Other than 6+ centuries of Roman occupation. Oh, and that typically Roman stonework on top of it.

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t's exactly like saying that because material was found underneath the stones at PP then the Aymara must have been responsible for it's construction.

Just plain silly.

Sorry.

Yes, especially when the material in question has been radiometrically dated to no earlier than the first half of the last millennium. Our aliens do seem to be picky about who they visit when. Or perhaps they came thousands of years later and lifted them up again, perhaps to inspect the foundation, maybe fix the plumbing or spray for cockroaches. Rather nice of them, I must say. Most of these real estate types you never seem them again after the check clears.

And again there's that curious specificity as to the material itself. As the saying goes, before us, nothing. After us, nothing, but what about during us?

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Here in one page....is world history. The AA-ers have us believe man was so...backward - and stone aged ... that he needed help to build walls at Puma Punku - in 500ad,

On this list, it will put into perspective just what was going on in the world, long before PP., and even when you get to the bottom of the page...PP still wasn't even built

http://www.fincher.org/History/WorldBC.shtml

zoser says the wheel hadn't even been invented in PP time... :no:

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If people were able to replicate that they would. Think about the religious ferver that builds Cathedrals for example and how long they took.

If the Pope could have had his churches built as precise as the Peruvian walls and out of granite he would have.

They last longer.

There was nothing to stop them from a close approximation. If it's the shapes that are conferring the advantage, the common building stone of the day would've been sufficient, and a little mortar cures a multitude of imprecisions. Not that the great cathedrals were wildly imprecise, unlike some would have us believe, going so far as to show pictures of small parish churches in their stead. Naughty, naughty. They could've even improved on it, standardizing the interlock system instead of that butt-ugly hodge-podge, and make no mistake, they are butt-ugly by every contemporary old-world Aesthetic, even the more orderly ones.

Religious fervor, you say. How long it took, you say. How is it then than none of the great churches are built of granite until the late Renaissance, even though they had the means to do so? Perhaps because they'd still be building them today?

There's also again the size of the blocks involved, since so many of them rely on mass to hold them together, and the fact that none of them rise more than a single story, and who want's a one-story catherdral?

This is all assuming, of course, it ever occurred to them that the system might be at all useful in the first place.

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With absolutely no substantiation whatsoever of how the feats were accomplished.

Substantiation. I've never seen that word before. Whatever can it mean?

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Substantiation. I've never seen that word before. Whatever can it mean?

I think it's an early version of the doctrine of Transubstantiation, but it was outlawed as heresy by the council of Nicaea.

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All the "evidence" is being looked at, its the interpretation that we dont agree on.

We see something we cant explain and know that we have a mystery on our hands.

You see something you cant explain and think that its clear evidence of ET.

Not quite.

It's far more of a fairy tale idea to believe that the ancients mysteriously acquired this technology themselves.

How does Darwinism account for that may I ask?

You cannot have it both ways.

According to the Darwin doctrine of slow linear progression this technology should have appeared gradually and then remained within the human race.

The evidence says it came suddenly in very specific places and died suddenly.

Whether it appeared at the same time in different parts of the world is difficult to tell. There are clear signs of consistency with the stones in Egypt, Easter Island, Turkey and Peru.

The strong case however for saying some extra-ordinary technology was used lies in the fact that it was never replicated and the precision levels are very high for megalithic work.

Modern attempts at doing so have ended up being nothing more than farcical.

That's the elephant in the room folks.

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There was nothing to stop them from a close approximation. If it's the shapes that are conferring the advantage, the common building stone of the day would've been sufficient, and a little mortar cures a multitude of imprecisions. Not that the great cathedrals were wildly imprecise, unlike some would have us believe, going so far as to show pictures of small parish churches in their stead. Naughty, naughty. They could've even improved on it, standardizing the interlock system instead of that butt-ugly hodge-podge, and make no mistake, they are butt-ugly by every contemporary old-world Aesthetic, even the more orderly ones.

Religious fervor, you say. How long it took, you say. How is it then than none of the great churches are built of granite until the late Renaissance, even though they had the means to do so? Perhaps because they'd still be building them today?

There's also again the size of the blocks involved, since so many of them rely on mass to hold them together, and the fact that none of them rise more than a single story, and who want's a one-story catherdral?

This is all assuming, of course, it ever occurred to them that the system might be at all useful in the first place.

Granite held in position by mortar. Not precision interlocking stones. Only the ancients could do that.

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Granite held in position by mortar. Not precision interlocking stones. Only the ancients could do that.

hehe....tell me how ancient again please?

Long before PP was this clever use of arches, as an engineer you'll appreciate this building method

Colosseum.jpg

a non PRECISE arch just doesnt work, only extremely HIGH precision does

long before PP

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Granite held in position by mortar. Not precision interlocking stones. Only the ancients could do that.

What is interesting is that these South American ancients didn't know how to build an arch.

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And then decided to go to the trouble of building that roman-style temple on top of it instead. You know, the one with all those gigantic Roman granite columns?

We're not talking about the mass of the pyramids here. There's probably not even as much stone to remove as the typical roman mine. If they wanted it gone, it would be gone, in a year or two at most. Remember, they razed the entire city of Carthage to the ground. No small undertaking.

Right, because the Romans cared so much about other cultures, even going so far as to take them under their wing, the better to preserve them. Obviously all that rubble and detritus was likewise to protect a precious archeological resource from contamination and looting.

Other than 6+ centuries of Roman occupation. Oh, and that typically Roman stonework on top of it.

I

Yes, especially when the material in question has been radiometrically dated to no earlier than the first half of the last millennium. Our aliens do seem to be picky about who they visit when. Or perhaps they came thousands of years later and lifted them up again, perhaps to inspect the foundation, maybe fix the plumbing or spray for cockroaches. Rather nice of them, I must say. Most of these real estate types you never seem them again after the check clears.

And again there's that curious specificity as to the material itself. As the saying goes, before us, nothing. After us, nothing, but what about during us?

Still no evidence that the Romans constructed the Trilithons.

The fact that they dug down to the foundations proves nought.

And just like the Great Pyramid in Egypt, this wall has stood in Baalbek for thousands of years without moving an inch. In contrast the Roman temples built above this terrace have all fallen and destroyed due to earthquakes.

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https://sites.google...projectbaalbek/

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hehe....tell me how ancient again please?

Long before PP was this clever use of arches, as an engineer you'll appreciate this building method

Colosseum.jpg

a non PRECISE arch just doesnt work, only extremely HIGH precision does

long before PP

.

Easily explained a bunch of photoshop lies those clever romans left behind :lol:

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Still no evidence that the Romans constructed the Trilithons.

The fact that they dug down to the foundations proves nought.

And just like the Great Pyramid in Egypt, this wall has stood in Baalbek for thousands of years without moving an inch. In contrast the Roman temples built above this terrace have all fallen and destroyed due to earthquakes.

I dont see the image. kindly add your source. You know I like to check these things out..

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Still no evidence that the Romans constructed the Trilithons.

The fact that they dug down to the foundations proves nought.

And just like the Great Pyramid in Egypt, this wall has stood in Baalbek for thousands of years without moving an inch. In contrast the Roman temples built above this terrace have all fallen and destroyed due to earthquakes.

Baalbek%20Site.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7coRa3yli29330ER6p_CzQeiwZhZ654ZBvlD1mYvN-GkNYFapWIiNl4RVtkptweGLKKZnynV7iceAwhzYjutsblWL6MRVw3o8V4aVk_m3zM64IXNnaPv69lRR2AsY_rlUvZ51nCEYha_PJHG6KmvlQ0nW1fzU9L9et3U9hAyUDYZ2luHfboxEkbgqb--gMpECE8FcHYAADJN_cTlWHGDBK7fS5XVbyOXaBUc20NkcWQLqJ8p4V4%3D&attredirects=0

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Third: A German expedition dug 1904/1905 through to the foundations of the temple. The temple platform is through and through of Roman origin. They found typical roman masonery, roman trash and so on, down to the bedrock. Nothing un-Roman was found! Btw: The temple platform was not built from massive stone, but typically roman honeycombed. Only the outer shell looks like a massive building.

http://www.ramtops.co.uk/baalbek.html

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did zoser ever answer you about how they got that dome up?

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hehe....tell me how ancient again please?

Long before PP was this clever use of arches, as an engineer you'll appreciate this building method

a non PRECISE arch just doesnt work, only extremely HIGH precision does

long before PP

Slight problem.

Not everyone shares your confidence with dating PP.

http://ancientaliens.wordpress.com/2012/11/04/puma-punku-2/

Oh and it wasn't built by the Aymara either.

Again dozens and dozens of sources will dispute the classic mainstream dating.

You can only argue on what is undisputed. The dating of PP, The Trilithons, The precision artefacts in Peru are all hotly disputed.

Sorry.

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Slight problem.

Not everyone shares your confidence with dating PP.

Then you need to do some fact checking, but dont rely on the AA series of vids.

when did the Spanish arrive? What did they find?

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Slight problem.

Not everyone shares your confidence with dating PP.

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http://ancientaliens...4/puma-punku-2/

Oh and it wasn't built by the Aymara either.

Again dozens and dozens of sources will dispute the classic mainstream dating.

You can only argue on what is undisputed. The dating of PP, The Trilithons, The precision artefacts in Peru are all hotly disputed.

Sorry.

You do know that the dating of Tiwanaku according to Posnansky, the 17,000 years date, was based on his archeo-astronomical interpretation of the ruins he encountered?

And that he made some extreme assumptions about where the stones of the rubble should be placed?

He reconstructed Tiwanaku according to his ideas how it should be reconstructed, using archeo-astronomy.

And btw, the name Titicaca DOES have a meaning in Andean languages.

This is just another crackpot video.

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Then you need to do some fact checking, but dont rely on the AA series of vids.

when did the Spanish arrive? What did they find?

The site in ruins. It's been ruined for millenia.

Half of it is still buried under mud.

Puma Punku that is. Not Tiwanaku.

pumapunkuruinsancientmystery_1.jpeg

Neither was it constructed by pot smoking indians whose ultimate art was tapestry and the teepee.

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The site in ruins. It's been ruined for millenia.

Half of it is still buried under mud.

Puma Punku that is. Not Tiwanaku.

pumapunkuruinsancientmystery_1.jpeg

Neither was it constructed by pot smoking indians whose ultimate art was tapestry and the teepee.

There are times i think you have smoked too much of it.

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Granite held in position by mortar. Not precision interlocking stones. Only the ancients could do that.

Yes, clearly making two or more irregular stone surfaces match up was enormously difficult for them.

http://www.google.com/search?um=1&hl=en&biw=1382&bih=884&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=renaissance+cathedral+window+tracery&oq=renaissance+cathedral+window+tracery&gs_l=img.3...6440.9159.0.9655.7.7.0.0.0.0.105.508.6j1.7.0...0.0...1c.1.4.img.k3zXAHOwcI0

Again, there's no law saying they have to be granite or ultra- precise to interlock. Much like homosexuality, things don't have to touch directly for it to work.

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You do know that the dating of Tiwanaku according to Posnansky, the 17,000 years date, was based on his archeo-astronomical interpretation of the ruins he encountered?

And that he made some extreme assumptions about where the stones of the rubble should be placed?

He reconstructed Tiwanaku according to his ideas how it should be reconstructed, using archeo-astronomy.

And btw, the name Titicaca DOES have a meaning in Andean languages.

This is just another crackpot video.

Many still feel he was nearer the truth than the crazy notion of 500AD.

The Site at Puma Punku - is atributed to the Incas, but they actually deny they built it themselves. - They say it was already there when they arived !

Carbon dating is anywhere between 200yrs BC to 14,000 yrs BC.

"Chronicler Cieza de León reported that when he asked local Aymara Indians if the buildings at Tiwanaku were built by the Incas, ‘they laughed at the question, repeating ... that they were built before they reigned, but that they could not state or affirm who built them. However, they had heard from their forefathers that all that are there appeared overnight. [T]hey also say that bearded men were seen on the island of Titicaca and that these people constructed the building of Viñaque ...’4

According to a local tradition, the Tiwanaku complex was built at the ‘beginning of time’ by the founder-god Viracocha and his followers, who caused the stones to be ‘carried through the air to the sound of a trumpet’. Another account speaks of Viracocha creating a ‘heavenly fire’ that consumed the stones and enabled large blocks to be lifted by hand ‘as if they were cork’."

http://www.energetic...u-tiwanaku.html

You see - they saw the aliens do it! I told you.

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Still no evidence that the Romans constructed the Trilithons.

The fact that they dug down to the foundations proves nought.

Other than the fact that everything except the trilithons was definitely Roman.

And just like the Great Pyramid in Egypt, this wall has stood in Baalbek for thousands of years without moving an inch. In contrast the Roman temples built above this terrace have all fallen and destroyed due to earthquakes.

https://sites.google...projectbaalbek/

Yes, just over two thousand, while laying nice and flat parallel to the ground in close contact near the bottom of said wall, instead of oh, say, balanced precariously on end at the very top with a mass of unsupported stone dangling between them.

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According to a local tradition, the Tiwanaku complex was built at the ‘beginning of time’ by the founder-god Viracocha and his followers, who caused the stones to be ‘carried through the air to the sound of a trumpet’. Another account speaks of Viracocha creating a ‘heavenly fire’ that consumed the stones and enabled large blocks to be lifted by hand ‘as if they were cork’."

http://www.energetic...u-tiwanaku.html

You see - they saw the aliens do it! I told you.

seriously? Youre running out of sources so much that you quote another forum? Do you participate on that forum?

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Many still feel he was nearer the truth than the crazy notion of 500AD.

The Site at Puma Punku - is atributed to the Incas, but they actually deny they built it themselves. - They say it was already there when they arived !

Carbon dating is anywhere between 200yrs BC to 14,000 yrs BC.

"Chronicler Cieza de León reported that when he asked local Aymara Indians if the buildings at Tiwanaku were built by the Incas, ‘they laughed at the question, repeating ... that they were built before they reigned, but that they could not state or affirm who built them. However, they had heard from their forefathers that all that are there appeared overnight. [T]hey also say that bearded men were seen on the island of Titicaca and that these people constructed the building of Viñaque ...’4

According to a local tradition, the Tiwanaku complex was built at the ‘beginning of time’ by the founder-god Viracocha and his followers, who caused the stones to be ‘carried through the air to the sound of a trumpet’. Another account speaks of Viracocha creating a ‘heavenly fire’ that consumed the stones and enabled large blocks to be lifted by hand ‘as if they were cork’."

http://www.energetic...u-tiwanaku.html

You see - they saw the aliens do it! I told you.

You should not forget when these people were asked about Tiwanaku: a 1000 years after.

According to old Dutch legends our dolmen were built by giants, the 'hune', and that's why we still call these things a 'hunebed'.

We now know it wasn't built by giants....

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