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The Ancient Alien Theory Is True

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no it doesn't. all you've done is blend two implausible stories together to make one implausible story.

i have to tell ya, as an ex-devoted christian i'm more inclined to believe in aliens than in the stories of the bible anyway.

So..you're adding what to this topic?

She's adding her opinion. I guess maybe we should get permission from you before we do such a thing though. Is it okay with you if people offer their opinions about things Antilles? Pretty please with sugar on top?

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She's adding her opinion. I guess maybe we should get permission from you before we do such a thing though. Is it okay with you if people offer their opinions about things Antilles? Pretty please with sugar on top?

i guess he figures that singling me out for no reason constitutes a valid contribution to the thread. ah well, i'm getting used to it this week.

i notice the OP hasn't bothered to come back to his thread, which is not surprising at all

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It takes a certain type of understanding to really embrace the ancient alien theory, as most skeptics do not, cannot, and will not be able to process this information. Yes, there is a God and Jesus Christ did walk this Earth, however , I am of the opinion that there roles and purpose was misunderstood .... I am also a Christian that also believed extraterrestrials played a huge part in developing mankind..... There is NO debunking the building and creAting of these enormous ancient structures..,,anyone who thinks that regular human beings built these structures are not capable of processing the truth ... It is not there fault ..... Some people are not meant to understand.. But in due time all will know.

You should check into Coral Castle and see what one man moved and put into place, taking into account that the average weight of the blocks at the castle were greater than the average weight of the stones in the Great Pyramid. It will show you just what can be accomplished by humans and how wrong the assumption that humans couldn't have built the large structures in ancient times is.

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I love statements like this (Zoser rolls up his sleeves):

Concerning the Great Pyramid:

  • How did it come to be aligned exactly according to the cardinal points of the compass? With what means?
  • How did it come to be built at exactly 30 deg N?

Seriously H it's madness to claim that we have all the answers. When you have answered those let's talk about Puma Punku which is even more baffling.

Both statements are invalid.

The North magnetic pole is constantly in motion, in fact from 1831-2001 it moved about 13 degrees west. There is no way to determine if the pyramid was built aligned to magnetic north.

The Great Pyramid was not built at exactly 30 degrees north. It is actually 1 1/2 miles south of the mark.

The Egyptians used primarily East-West based on sun rise and sun set when aligning their pyramids and structures

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Ancient Aliens seems to make a lot of sense if you have very little actual understanding and knowledge of history. The more you learn, the more you come to realize that the idea just isn't supported.

Here's a good place to start.

Cheers.

Unfortunately, that "AA Debunked" video falls flat on its face within the first 10 minutes when it makes the claim that the Puma Punku H-blocks are carved from easily worked red sandstone. While the Plataforma Litica (base structure) at the site is constructed of sandstone quarried 10 miles away, the famous H-blocks are in fact igneous; basaltic lava quarried 50 miles away. This material is much harder and difficult to work than sandstone.

It's always revealing when purveyors of prosaic "facts" base their arguments on obvious falsehoods.

I ain't sayin' aliens did it...only that the video plays a bit loose with the facts.

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Unfortunately, that "AA Debunked" video falls flat on its face within the first 10 minutes when it makes the claim that the Puma Punku H-blocks are carved from easily worked red sandstone. While the Plataforma Litica (base structure) at the site is constructed of sandstone quarried 10 miles away, the famous H-blocks are in fact igneous; basaltic lava quarried 50 miles away. This material is much harder and difficult to work than sandstone.

It's always revealing when purveyors of prosaic "facts" base their arguments on obvious falsehoods.

I ain't sayin' aliens did it...only that the video plays a bit loose with the facts.

Unfortunately, that "AA Debunked" video falls flat on its face within the first 10 minutes when it makes the claim that the Puma Punku H-blocks are carved from easily worked red sandstone. While the Plataforma Litica (base structure) at the site is constructed of sandstone quarried 10 miles away, the famous H-blocks are in fact igneous; basaltic lava quarried 50 miles away. This material is much harder and difficult to work than sandstone.

It's always revealing when purveyors of prosaic "facts" base their arguments on obvious falsehoods.

I ain't sayin' aliens did it...only that the video plays a bit loose with the facts.

Are you talking about Andesite, which is mentioned in the video?

If you're going to criticize, at least get your facts straight hacktorp. Or are you just up to your normal trolling and flame baiting like usual?

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It takes a certain type of understanding to really embrace the ancient alien theory, as most skeptics do not, cannot, and will not be able to process this information. Yes, there is a God and Jesus Christ did walk this Earth, however , I am of the opinion that there roles and purpose was misunderstood .... I am also a Christian that also believed extraterrestrials played a huge part in developing mankind..... There is NO debunking the building and creAting of these enormous ancient structures..,,anyone who thinks that regular human beings built these structures are not capable of processing the truth ... It is not there fault ..... Some people are not meant to understand.. But in due time all will know.

Am I to understand that your superior insight makes you privy to esoteric knowledge but does not impel you to spell the word "there" correctly?

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The Egyptians used primarily East-West based on sun rise and sun set when aligning their pyramids and structures

You don't know what they used. You have no idea, and no way of getting one. What do you think they used to cut the stones? Copper? Or wood? Or other rocks? From what I understand they didn't have wheels or pulleys yet during that time. If not, do you believe they dragged the rocks, and if so, how far? Also one estimate I heard said they would have had to cut and move each rock in a few moments or possibly less than a minute in order to get it done in the estimated time. Do you think they were able to cut and move each rock in just a few minutes or less? If so, how do you think they did it?

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In fact there were 19 Jesus' of Nazareth.

:lol:

Exactly 19 huh? :lol:

You're still the bullsh*t dude, no doubt. :lol:

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nothing out of the ordinary will happen on 21/12/2012

Nowhere on the entire planet? Or is it one particular area in which nothing out of the ordinary will happen :unsure: and how do you know it won't?

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I have been a devoted Christian for many years, however, when you add the Ancient Alien Theory to the Biblical story... It all starts to make complete sense... These ancient people had no reference points to accurately describe what they were witnessing. Anyone who lived in those times would have referred these aliens to being gods and angels...

Right. It would answer a lot of questions too, possibly even regarding the oddities surronding the velocity of light in this small part of the universe where humans have been able to test it.

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If ancient aliens wanted to help us, then why not with matters that really help, and not just religious or even vanity projects.

For one thing you don't know whether they did or not, and for another thing you have no reason to believe they didn't. In fact for all you know the human race would have died out a long time ago if they hadn't helped, and possibly wouldn't even exist. Are you forgetting that for about the first 190K years or so of human existence they lived like animals, and it's only in the fraction of about the last 10K years that humans began acting like humans...about the period of time that the xts would have had the most influence? If you're not forgetting about that do you want to deliberately ignore it, and if so why?

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You don't know what they used. You have no idea, and no way of getting one. What do you think they used to cut the stones? Copper? Or wood? Or other rocks? From what I understand they didn't have wheels or pulleys yet during that time. If not, do you believe they dragged the rocks, and if so, how far? Also one estimate I heard said they would have had to cut and move each rock in a few moments or possibly less than a minute in order to get it done in the estimated time. Do you think they were able to cut and move each rock in just a few minutes or less? If so, how do you think they did it?

Please don't think that we don't all know that person who made that "one estimate" was Giorgio Tsoukalos, a.k.a. Mr. Ancient Aliens. He isn't a scientist, or a specialist of any kind; he was a bodybuilder before he decided to monopolize on the ancient astronaut theory. He has been proved wrong on a number of his claims (in particular, his gross misestimations of the weights of ancient stone blocks has been duly noted). What makes you think that his completely unsubstantiated estimate with pertinence to the construction of the pyramid holds any more water than his other false claims?

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Just because a hypothesis can 'work' doesn't mean it's well supported...one still needs evidence to support it. There are far too many assumptions

How should we assume that ancient humans just out of the stone age with no steel tools of any kind were able to quarry and move hundred ton rocks and then stack them on top of each other? It might be fun to pretend along with you, so how shall we pretend they were able to do it? What reason(s) should we pretend they did it for?

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Right. It would answer a lot of questions too, possibly even regarding the oddities surronding the velocity of light in this small part of the universe where humans have been able to test it.

Umm... what "oddities"?

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How should we assume that ancient humans just out of the stone age with no steel tools of any kind were able to quarry and move hundred ton rocks and then stack them on top of each other? It might be fun to pretend along with you, so how shall we pretend they were able to do it? What reason(s) should we pretend they did it for?

The means and/or reasoning is irrelevant to your initial question. Simply because you cannot envision a means or a reason does not mean that there were none; it simply means that you cannot envision one.

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The Great Pyramid

Puma Punku

The various Megalithic sites of Peru, Central and South America, where precision stonework was achieved with extremely hard stone and impossible weights...............

Try that one for a start.

Hmmm...maybe they cut hundred ton rocks with tools made of copper and wood? And then not having wheeled vehicles that could haul them they dragged them with rope made of goat hair or hemp? I wonder what the weight rating would be on a rope that can drag a hundred ton rock across the ground? At least three hundred tons, right? How hard do you think it would be for ancient humans to get hold of three hundred ton rated rope? Or maybe they had three one hundred ton ropes? Or a hundred three ton ropes? Or...??? Or not. If not then it's all pretty clear, but if they did cut out hundred ton rocks with copper and then drag it with rope and then somehow stack it using badass scaffolding made of ...???... then it brings up some questions:

1. Why did they go to the tremendous effort of building those things in the first place?

2. Why did humans stop building such things?

3. Why instead of getting better at it over the centuries can humans not only no longer do it without the use of modern equipment, but can't even figure out how ancient humans COULD have done it?

4. How could those ancient people have done something without the use of wheels, steel or pulleys that modern humans couldn't do without the use of wheels, steel or pulleys?

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Just because we dont know every and all details of how our ancestors built this or that do NOT leave the door open for ET.

The fact that we don't have even the slightest idea of how they could possibly have done the things it seems impossible for them to have done without steel, or wheels or pulleys certainly does though. It opens it wide open. So do some of the things people seemed to know back then, like the Dogons knowing Sirius is a multi star system.

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Hmmm...maybe they cut hundred ton rocks with tools made of copper and wood? And then not having wheeled vehicles that could haul them they dragged them with rope made of goat hair or hemp? I wonder what the weight rating would be on a rope that can drag a hundred ton rock across the ground? At least three hundred tons, right? How hard do you think it would be for ancient humans to get hold of three hundred ton rated rope? Or maybe they had three one hundred ton ropes? Or a hundred three ton ropes? Or...??? Or not. If not then it's all pretty clear, but if they did cut out hundred ton rocks with copper and then drag it with rope and then somehow stack it using badass scaffolding made of ...???...

Your insistence on "hundred-ton blocks" is strangely absolute... which blocks, exactly, were you referring to? Surely you don't think that all stones weigh one-hundred tons?

then it brings up some questions:

1. Why did they go to the tremendous effort of building those things in the first place?

Unknown. Not an excuse to say that aliens did it.

2. Why did humans stop building such things?

Who said they did? Have you never seen the Eiffel Tower or Vatican City?

3. Why instead of getting better at it over the centuries can humans not only no longer do it without the use of modern equipment, but can't even figure out how ancient humans COULD have done it?

Your insistence that it could not be done without modern equipment is unsubstantiated. And the fact of our own ignorance as to how it was done, again, is not justification for concluding that aliens did it.

4. How could those ancient people have done something without the use of wheels, steel or pulleys that modern humans couldn't do without the use of wheels, steel or pulleys?

Which ancient people?

You've left a lot of these "questions" regrettably ambiguous...

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But It only takes that 1% of the really unexplained to Keep the mind wandering !

Mine seems to spend 99% of the time wondering !

Yeah well, how ancient humans could have done the impossible seeming things being discussed is 100% unexplained, not 1%, though I doubt you can consider the possibility of xt assistance in any sort of realistic way(s) even so. But if you think you can please show me to be wrong by a demonstration of you trying to do it. :lol: It's amusing just thinking about you trying to make an attempt.

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Question: do you think that the Parthenon, or Westminster Abbey, or St. Peter's Basilica were built by human beings, or...?

Humans, though whether or not xts had any influence on any of it is less apparent. Do you think that using the tools they had available to them, the builders of those structures could have built the things we're discussing using hundred ton rocks?

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The fact that we don't have even the slightest idea of how they could possibly have done the things it seems impossible for them to have done without steel, or wheels or pulleys certainly does though. It opens it wide open. So do some of the things people seemed to know back then, like the Dogons knowing Sirius is a multi star system.

It opens the possibility, sure; it opens the same possibility that it was done with magic, with super-human leprechaun strength, etc... you'll have to give some evidence to suggest that it was aliens, not just say that our ignorance means only aliens could have done it. Logic doesn't work that way. You've committed what is known as the "argument from ignorance" fallacy.

Also, the Dogon, while interesting, is a controversial claim. While there is some possibility that they genuinely gained their knowledge from aliens, it is also possible they gained it from modern people; given they don't exactly have textbooks from a thousand years ago talking about Sirius as a multi-star system, we can't really know what they thought back then. We only know what they're telling us today.

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Humans, though whether or not xts had any influence on any of it is less apparent. Do you think that using the tools they had available to them, the builders of those structures could have built the things we're discussing using hundred ton rocks?

Your insistence on "hundred-ton rocks" is puzzling. You still haven't told me which hundred-ton rocks you're referring to.

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Do you think that using the tools they had available to them, the builders of those structures could have built the things we're discussing using hundred ton rocks?

In short...yes.

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Pleased to have joined... Thank you

Uh huh...and how do you feel about it by this time? From my experience they welcome you in, then pelt you with all sorts of different bullsh*ts from all directions, and then get offended and insulting when you don't believe every different unlikely seeming story they try to give you to explain different things. I don't see how anyone COULD believe every different bullsh*t idea that these people have suggested, and between them they can't figure out which particular one they think a person should try to cling to. Pitiful :( at best.

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