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Ancient Peru - stone softening with heat (vitrification) as a side effect.

Hutchinson - applies low power resonance techniques to soften iron with heat as an unexplained side effect.

Think it through.

Does he? Again, how do you know?

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I think they just write things as they are. No political secrecy to protect the status quo.

Good for them.

No political secrecy. Then the information should be readily available then. Should be, that is.

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The polishing argument doesn't stand Mr O whichever way you look at it.

To you, and you have shown yourself as less than discriminating on the subject.

The Wall of the Living Rock is a quarry by the way. Stocks has nothing to offer; Dunn shattered his core drilling theory by proving that Petrie was correct with his original assertion that the grooves in core 7 were spiral.

See below. There is as yet no independent verification the spiral is a spiral and certainly nothing has been presented to exclude the possibility of a conventional explanation . Stocks' work remains valid.

Here are some more 'temples':

Fancy worshipping the Gods here?

Sorry again Mr O.

These don't look anything like temples to me.

They are quarries. Straight and simple. Vitrified too.

That's precisely what they did do.

That is precisely why they are not quarries. Nobody in the world quarry's stone like that. There's no reason for it. Certainly nobody in their right mind cuts a single pre-trimmed block out of the stone and moves on to another spot. But then not every rock cut is liable to be an individual temple, only the larger structures, and foerster himself names them as temples.

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Known as Naupa Iglesia (Church of the Ancients) this is more like an temple in style and character:

DSCF0320.JPG

Interesting that next to it is a precision cut out in the mountain serving no known purpose:

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Hello Zoser

What I find really interesting about these pictures is the amount of rubble lying around, is this a side effect of thermal technology or laser guided jack hammers or something? I would expect vaporisation as a byproduct not stone chip. Desecration and vandalism by another Spanish or other might be an explaination for it do you think?

Regardless it shows clear evidence that the stone is able to be easily worked. It appears flaked and chipped, easily achieved using any one of the multitude of techniques posted by other very knowledgeable UM's that even you yourself must be seriously beginning to find it plausible by now.

Anyway who is to say that any of these stone recesses were removed as one huge chunky block anyway. It is more than likely that in some cases they were cut/carved in many smaller dimensions then removed.

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i don't know, therefore a quarry, moulded by precision cutting using hutchison's stone softening tech... aka ancient aliens bs...

hypothesis proved... qed

o proof? a picture speaks a thousand words... repeat ad nauseam

a picture does indeed speak a thousand words, when you find the right picture of course. Petra, 3000 years before the Peruvian Indians. Didnt even need the stone softening tech or lazers..

petra.jpg

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a picture does indeed speak a thousand words, when you find the right picture of course. Petra, 3000 years before the Peruvian Indians. Didnt even need the stone softening tech or lazers..

<snipped image>

It is very saying that throughout this thread (and others) there are no qualitative numbers for the alleged precision and what else is claimed. That in and of itself is very saying and, admittedly, one of the reasons what I stay out of it.

Cheers,

Badeskov

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Exotic unknown technology really.

That's what Hutchinson is about.

He was able to soften iron with a low power device.

The Peruvians were able to soften stone. Hutchinson's work revealed traces of intense heat. The same effect is evident on the Peruvian stones in the form of vitrification.

Hopefully now you see the connection. Kind of surprising that I had to spell it out. But that's why I'm here.

Personal time has been and will continue to be limited. However, to return to certain critical aspects of your "speculation":

1) It would appear that you are attempting to assert that elements of the stonework in question are the product of altering the mass of the stone to a plastic and/or molten state. Correct?

2) It would also appear that, while not being overly specific, you are referring to primarily three lithic material types (limestone, sandstone, and andesite). Correct?

3) If the above evaluations are accurate, kindly inform us in regards to the speculated maximum temperature ranges/pressure gradients/cooling period involved in these processes as specifically applied to each of the three lithic material types.

4) You would appear to be quite confident in your assertions regarding wide-spread vitrification. Can we then presume that you have credible trace element and thin-section analyses to support these contentions? If so, kindly present such. And no, the notably lacking tidbits of De Jong do not qualify.

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What we now have is more information and verification. You just have to look for it.

DYOR.

Just wanted to add this one (from the bottom of the page):

I think it is self evident from the above analysis that the reason no one else has been able to duplicate the "Hutchison Effect" is because they forgot to attach the string!

Which is indeed very true, sadly. If you want to keep promoting this pathetic example of a charlatan I suggest you find some really good substantiation to support your case, because you are essentially tasked with reviving the dead in that respect. Hutchison was long forgotten until you pulled his scam out of the proverbial morgue, so either you put it back where it belongs or you really dedicate some effort to explaining why you decided this dead horse is still worth flogging.

And you better do good as I do technology for a living.

Cheers,

Badeskov

Edited for typos.

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Just wanted to add this one (from the bottom of the page):

Which is indeed very true, sadly. If you want to keep promoting this pathetic example of a charlatan I suggest you find some really good substantiation to support your case, because you are essentially tasked with reviving the dead in that respect. Hutchison was long forgotten until you pulled his scam out of the proverbial morgue, so either you put it back where it belongs or you really dedicate some effort to explaining why you decided this dead horse is still worth flogging.

And you better do good as I do technology for a living.

Cheers,

Badeskov

Edited for typos.

I'm surprised to see you throw your hat in the ring on this one bade. Not that I'm complaining of course, it's been too long since I've seen much participation from you in my opinion (I understand that a man's gotta put food on the table though ^_^ ). :tu:

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It is very saying that throughout this thread (and others) there are no qualitative numbers for the alleged precision and what else is claimed. That in and of itself is very saying and, admittedly, one of the reasons what I stay out of it.

Cheers,

Badeskov

Who needs numbers in the midst of all this evidence? Only the lost.

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Personal time has been and will continue to be limited. However, to return to certain critical aspects of your "speculation":

1) It would appear that you are attempting to assert that elements of the stonework in question are the product of altering the mass of the stone to a plastic and/or molten state. Correct?

2) It would also appear that, while not being overly specific, you are referring to primarily three lithic material types (limestone, sandstone, and andesite). Correct?

3) If the above evaluations are accurate, kindly inform us in regards to the speculated maximum temperature ranges/pressure gradients/cooling period involved in these processes as specifically applied to each of the three lithic material types.

4) You would appear to be quite confident in your assertions regarding wide-spread vitrification. Can we then presume that you have credible trace element and thin-section analyses to support these contentions? If so, kindly present such. And no, the notably lacking tidbits of De Jong do not qualify.

1) Yep

2) Yep

3) Hutchinson noticed intense heat as a result of his melting the iron block. The power output was only low. The figures are unknown but vitrifications tends to suggest (for andesite) in excess of 1000 degrees.

4) I'm not at my pc at my pc at the moment and cannot copy links. Google 'vitrification in Peru' and click on the PDF file. This indicates the properties you refer to, check in later if you cannot find the link.

With respect you are in no position to comment on the knowledge of Jan Peter de Jong. He knows far more about the Peruvian artefacts than you ever will.

A little humility would go a long way since you have only just joined the discussion yes?

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Who needs numbers in the midst of all this evidence? Only the lost.

Only those who are bothered about things like scientific basis for claims and evidence to back it up.

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a picture does indeed speak a thousand words, when you find the right picture of course. Petra, 3000 years before the Peruvian Indians. Didnt even need the stone softening tech or lazers..

petra.jpg

:tu:

check this one...

Hypogeum of Ħal-Saflieni

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i see.

Edited by Lord Vetinari

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1) Yep

2) Yep

3) Hutchinson noticed intense heat as a result of his melting the iron block. The power output was only low. The figures are unknown but vitrifications tends to suggest (for andesite) in excess of 1000 degrees.

4) I'm not at my pc at my pc at the moment and cannot copy links. Google 'vitrification in Peru' and click on the PDF file. This indicates the properties you refer to, check in later if you cannot find the link.

With respect you are in no position to comment on the knowledge of Jan Peter de Jong. He knows far more about the Peruvian artefacts than you ever will.

A little humility would go a long way since you have only just joined the discussion yes?

How you take a page out of your own book then? Swede and De Jong both work in the same field if I'm not mistaken, unlike yourself. So I 'm unsure who knows more than the other. What is sure is that both know more than you and many others myself included.

So maybe a little humility from yourself for a change.....

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:tu:

check this one...

Hypogeum of Ħal-Saflieni

Amazing what you can do by chiseling and scraping with rocks! Things like this makes Zoser's "rock mouldings" look like natural events.

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Also the work of 'aliens', or simply an example of excellent craftsmanship:

9500 year old obsidian bracelet shows exceptional craft skills

obsidian2.jpg

A work of precise beauty

This process has revealed that the bracelet was made using highly specialised manufacturing techniques. The analyses carried out showed that the bracelet was almost perfectly regular. The symmetry of the central annular ridge is extremely precise, to the nearest degree and nearest hundred micrometres. This suggests that the artisans of the time used models to control its shape when it was being made. The surface finish of the bracelet required the use of complex polishing techniques capable of obtaining a nanometre-scale surface quality worthy of today’s telescope lenses.

http://www.pasthorizonspr.com/index.php/archives/12/2011/9500-year-old-obsidian-bracelet-shows-exceptional-craft-skills

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I'm surprised to see you throw your hat in the ring on this one bade. Not that I'm complaining of course, it's been too long since I've seen much participation from you in my opinion (I understand that a man's gotta put food on the table though ^_^ ). :tu:

Quite honourable really. If a person has nothing to contribute best to withdraw for a while.

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Also the work of 'aliens', or simply an example of excellent craftsmanship:

9500 year old obsidian bracelet shows exceptional craft skills

A work of precise beauty

This process has revealed that the bracelet was made using highly specialised manufacturing techniques. The analyses carried out showed that the bracelet was almost perfectly regular. The symmetry of the central annular ridge is extremely precise, to the nearest degree and nearest hundred micrometres. This suggests that the artisans of the time used models to control its shape when it was being made. The surface finish of the bracelet required the use of complex polishing techniques capable of obtaining a nanometre-scale surface quality worthy of today’s telescope lenses.

http://www.pasthoriz...al-craft-skills

Nice piece of art.

Here's my favourite:

Mona_Lisa.jpg

The way Da Vinci caught the smile was very precise. It's neither a smile nor a frown. Total neutrality.

Of course very little to do with the thread.

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:tu:

check this one...

No precision granite. Irrelevant.

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Quite honourable really. If a person has nothing to contribute best to withdraw for a while.

if that was the case, you'd have about 5,625 posts fewer than you do in this thread.

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How you take a page out of your own book then? Swede and De Jong both work in the same field if I'm not mistaken, unlike yourself. So I 'm unsure who knows more than the other. What is sure is that both know more than you and many others myself included.

So maybe a little humility from yourself for a change.....

Slightly arrogant to enter a thread and start by dismissing people who have been looking into the field for years. Think about it.

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if that was the case, you'd have about 5,625 posts fewer than you do in this thread.

The master of the one liners strikes again. What have you been looking into today?

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The master of the one liners strikes again. What have you been looking into today?

A few things other than boring walls or imaginary vitrifiation. Try it some time. There's a whole load of things that one can even find on the Inter net, before one even needs to go out of one's own house, that you might be able to take an interest in.

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A few things other than boring walls or imaginary vitrifiation. Try it some time. There's a whole load of things that one can even find on the Inter net, before one even needs to go out of one's own house, that you might be able to take an interest in.

What have you been looking at relevant to the AA hypothesis? That's why I've been looking into precision work and vitrification.

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