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The Ancient Alien Theory Is True

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the Mayas were given their calendars directly by Rebel 'celestial' beings, aka Quetzalcóatl, Kukulkán, Viracocha (however one calls them), therefore this soon-oncoming Winster Solstice signals, according to certain sources & clues, the return of Satan-cóatl, the Annunaki, Nephilim (or whatever), & since they've been here all along since before the Mayan calendars' creation, in the shadows, they have had all this time to plan Evil for the Winter Solstice Dec 21 2012 Onwards, perhaps the start of the Greatest

ever to face humanity. Let me elaborate further at the most important topics, related to this, in the posts i will soon write. :) Edited by Ely

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i have never solictied support from any of the other posters here. actually i don't believe i've ever solicited support from any member here ever. you need to put your little stick down now.

i have followed this thread from the beginning and will continue to do so, and i will post and respond whenever i feel moved to do so.

i have offered my opinion and i have asked you many questions, which you answered with questions. you cannot directly answer one of the questions i posed to you - seems to me you are the one who should consider leaving, period.

i am not fighting a battle here, but you sure as hell are and man you are losing so embarrassingly bad i can't help but shake my head. i realize you are in it up to the top of your boots and can't very well back out of the argument now but gawd have you no shame at all?

I'm still here for the next round. Overwhelmingly out numbered but still standing. I can back down and retire any time. The skeptics have been strident in their opposition to alternative theories on the forum for a decade or more as far as I can tell.

That's ok and I love people to be passionate about what they believe.

Times are now changing and it's only courteous to allow others who are passionate to express the alternative argument; I'm sure you would not disagree.

If you are going to shout foul and cry when someone emerges who is a little more robust then I'm not interested.

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These ancient people had no reference points to accurately describe what they were witnessing. Anyone who lived in those times would have referred these aliens to being gods and angels...

Maybe they were not aliens Whatsoever. Maybe they were the Evilly Fallen 'angels' in charge of our planet's administration since very ancient times, they defaulting since 200,000 yrs ago approx. The Direct Evidences:

Paper 53

The Lucifer Rebellion

(601.1) 53:0.1 LUCIFER was a brilliant primary Lanonandek Son of Nebadon. He had experienced service in many systems, had been a high counselor of his group, and was distinguished for wisdom, sagacity, and efficiency. Lucifer was number 37 of his order, and when commissioned by the Melchizedeks, he was designated as one of the one hundred most able and brilliant personalities in more than seven hundred thousand of his kind. From such a magnificent beginning, through evil and error, he embraced sin and now is numbered as one of three System Sovereigns in Nebadon who have succumbed to the urge of self and surrendered to the sophistry of spurious personal liberty — rejection of universe allegiance and disregard of fraternal obligations, blindness to cosmic relationships.

(...)

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I'm still here for the next round. Overwhelmingly out numbered but still standing. I can back down and retire any time. The skeptics have been strident in their opposition to alternative theories on the forum for a decade or more as far as I can tell.

That's ok and I love people to be passionate about what they believe.

Times are now changing and it's only courteous to allow others who are passionate to express the alternative argument; I'm sure you would not disagree.

If you are going to shout foul and cry when someone emerges who is a little more robust then I'm not interested.

i have not shouted or cried foul. i have merely challenged you to substantiate your claims. all you can muster up in response are negations of accepted findings, deliberate disregard for logic, and adamant refusal to examine anything that might sway you from your current belief system.

when you can come on here and show even an inkling how how aliens did the work, or hey if you can even come up with proof of alien life at all, then you have a start.

i am not saying aliens don't exist - i hope they do - but until you have a starting point for your theory (and i don't mean "it must be aliens because it couldn't have been humans") you're just trolling for argument's sake.

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So.........

Does this make Ed Leedskin insane? He actually did it, with a 9 tonne gate so that make him off his rocker... right?

Hey look, a 30 Tonne stone

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How do you explain this then?

Let Ed L answer for himself. His statements and claims were very well known.

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i have not shouted or cried foul. i have merely challenged you to substantiate your claims. all you can muster up in response are negations of accepted findings, deliberate disregard for logic, and adamant refusal to examine anything that might sway you from your current belief system.

when you can come on here and show even an inkling how how aliens did the work, or hey if you can even come up with proof of alien life at all, then you have a start.

i am not saying aliens don't exist - i hope they do - but until you have a starting point for your theory (and i don't mean "it must be aliens because it couldn't have been humans") you're just trolling for argument's sake.

OK here's one that no one has yet answered. Despite people who think they have. One of the skeptics claimed that the construction of megalithic precision had been witnessed by the Spanish.

The simple refutation of that is that if it were true, how come the Spanish did not describe the techniques in writing and replicate it in their own building work in South America and impress the world?

At the very least why did they not order the enslaved indiginous people to perpetuate the stunning feats?

Just another tiny detail that makes no sense when a little light is shined through the cracks (of the inferior building work).

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OK here's one that no one has yet answered. Despite people who think they have. One of the skeptics claimed that the construction of megalithic precision had been witnessed by the Spanish.

The simple refutation of that is that if it were true, how come the Spanish did not describe the techniques in writing and replicate it in their own building work in South America and impress the world?

At the very least why did they not order the enslaved indiginous people to perpetuate the stunning feats?

Just another tiny detail that makes no sense when a little light is shined through the cracks (of the inferior building work).

perhaps you should direct that question to the person who posted that information

zoser, you just keep posing counter questions to the ones asked of you. just because you can ask a counter question doesn't mean you have answered anything.

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i have not shouted or cried foul. i have merely challenged you to substantiate your claims. all you can muster up in response are negations of accepted findings, deliberate disregard for logic, and adamant refusal to examine anything that might sway you from your current belief system.

when you can come on here and show even an inkling how how aliens did the work, or hey if you can even come up with proof of alien life at all, then you have a start.

i am not saying aliens don't exist - i hope they do - but until you have a starting point for your theory (and i don't mean "it must be aliens because it couldn't have been humans") you're just trolling for argument's sake.

Let me summarise :

My starting point for the theory is the incredibly perfect architecture. The processes that gave rise to this were not recorded or later copied, There is no evidence that it was witnessed by the people who remained in SA at the time the Spanish arrived.

The stories tell of denial, followed by inexplicable folkore about visitors achieving the feat with unknown technology.

The counter theories presented make no sense. The tools available are incongruent with the building work, and we have in a few places at least two distinct types of building. One inferior, where the work is directly attributable to the Inca as witnessed and verified by the Spanish, and another seemingly flawless construction nearby which it seems no one admit's responsibility for.

The AA hypothesis has been and is being investigated by more and more people who find orthodox explanations inadequate. Some of these people have a very specialised engineering or architectural background. They are well qualified in their field and hold in a lot of cases professional qualifications.

Others who are cautious about the AA hypothesis, (Bauval and Brien Foester being good examples) nonetheless are puzzled at the high precision feats, how they were created and the unsatisfactory explanations that have been so far offered.

That is a pretty good starting point in my opinion.

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One massive hole we have here, is that we also have plans.

vimana-tripura.jpg?w=600&h=857&h=857

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Mate, that seriously is not leaving the ground. And nobody has constructed these plans that are publicly available, and I would say that is for obvious reasons. This is just not going to happen. I would love to be proven wrong, thing is we have the scripts, and as you see even drawings. Yet not one flying Vimana.

If the above could fly, I propose that it would have been done by now.

ETA But that is not to say that the Indian Scholars from this time period were not absolutely brilliant. Da Vinci also modeled flying machines that did not take of.

Those drawings were made in the 1950's to accompany an edition of the "Vimanyka Shastra," which was channelled by a hindu spiritualist a couple of decades earlier.

Harte

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OK here's one that no one has yet answered. Despite people who think they have. One of the skeptics claimed that the construction of megalithic precision had been witnessed by the Spanish.

The simple refutation of that is that if it were true, how come the Spanish did not describe the techniques in writing and replicate it in their own building work in South America and impress the world?

At the very least why did they not order the enslaved indiginous people to perpetuate the stunning feats?

Just another tiny detail that makes no sense when a little light is shined through the cracks (of the inferior building work).

Maybe, just maybe, the Spanish were not impressed by the natives stonework since they would have been quite familiar with their own European standards of building complex cathedrals with huge domes, roads, bridges etc and elaborate artwork, literature, science and engineering. When they saw the natives stacking stones using brute-force methods they probably thought it was no big deal.

If the Incas were using some advanced engineering methods that impressed the Spaniards I would think it safe to say they would have begun using it in their home country.

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You have a history of refusing rational explanation for unfounded wild explanation with no support whatsoever. As such, my take is that you are simply deliberately flaming in an attempt to flush out any lurker that might be ignorant enough to support your ridiculous claims and notions.

Which landed him on my ignore list with nopeda.

I don't consider my time to be so valueless as to have extra time to read anything these two (and many others) post here.

Of course, I'm forced to when people quote them. That's more than enough.

Harte

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OK here's one that no one has yet answered. Despite people who think they have. One of the skeptics claimed that the construction of megalithic precision had been witnessed by the Spanish.

The simple refutation of that is that if it were true, how come the Spanish did not describe the techniques in writing

You've already been presented with at least two direct quotes to that effect.

and replicate it in their own building work in South America and impress the world?

At the very least why did they not order the enslaved indiginous people to perpetuate the stunning feats?

Just another tiny detail that makes no sense when a little light is shined through the cracks (of the inferior building work).

Why would they? Why go to all the extra effort when regular stonework would suffice, and with far less time and work especially given their technique? However, if the stonework of Cuzco is indeed contemporaneous with the conquistadors as claimed, then they did just that.

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zoser, you just keep posing counter questions to the ones asked of you. just because you can ask a counter question doesn't mean you have answered anything.

It's important to do this for this reason; if the suggestion is that no indiginous people created these amazing feats then what then?

Archaeology and Darwinism do not account for old civilisations being replaced by those of lower development. Then what options actually exist? That this planet was visited at some time in the remote past, created remarkable achievements, and left. We can hypothesise who, when and why at some later time.

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Maybe, just maybe, the Spanish were not impressed by the natives stonework since they would have been quite familiar with their own European standards of building complex cathedrals with huge domes, roads, bridges etc and elaborate artwork, literature, science and engineering. When they saw the natives stacking stones using brute-force methods they probably thought it was no big deal.

If the Incas were using some advanced engineering methods that impressed the Spaniards I would think it safe to say they would have begun using it in their home country.

Unlikely; building churches does not require brute force? The other point is that the methods were not described. If you saw a team of people assembling Sacsayhuaman you would be amazed surely; it would be an outstanding event in world history. Instead we are left totally in the dark.

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At the rate he's reading, Harte should be done by the 12th, just in time to spell doom for this thread.

Repent, sinners! The Apocalypse is nigh!

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You've already been presented with at least two direct quotes to that effect.

Why would they? Why go to all the extra effort when regular stonework would suffice, and with far less time and work especially given their technique? However, if the stonework of Cuzco is indeed contemporaneous with the conquistadors as claimed, then they did just that.

You keep saying this. The explanations make no sense.

I disagree with your last statement. The Spanish were saturated with Catholicism. If they had a chance to glorify that religion with precision feats, long lasting into eternity they would have done so.

The European cathedrals have needed millions spending on them in repair bills.

The ancient walls of Cuzco, Sacsayuaman, and Ollantaytambo have needed no such repairs.

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It's important to do this for this reason; if the suggestion is that no indiginous people created these amazing feats then what then?

Archaeology and Darwinism do not account for old civilisations being replaced by those of lower development. Then what options actually exist? That this planet was visited at some time in the remote past, created remarkable achievements, and left. We can hypothesise who, when and why at some later time.

You fail to recognize the adverse effects that the Spanish involvement had on South American civilization.

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You fail to recognize the adverse effects that the Spanish involvement had on South American civilization.

I know the history as well as you do STF. The point is that if what you are saying is true the Spanish would have had a fantastic technology or technique to export to Europe. It didn't happen.

The art of megalithic precision architecture died with the original builders.

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One massive hole we have here, is that we also have plans.

vimana-tripura.jpg?w=600&h=857&h=857

Mate, that seriously is not leaving the ground. And nobody has constructed these plans that are publicly available, and I would say that is for obvious reasons. This is just not going to happen. I would love to be proven wrong, thing is we have the scripts, and as you see even drawings. Yet not one flying Vimana.

If the above could fly, I propose that it would have been done by now.

ETA But that is not to say that the Indian Scholars from this time period were not absolutely brilliant. Da Vinci also modeled flying machines that did not take of.

I've just seen this, thanks to the post above. What on earth (or not) is that supposed to be? Some kind of submarine? Whoever drew that up seems to have been a fan of jules Verne.

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I know the history as well as you do STF. The point is that if what you are saying is true the Spanish would have had a fantastic technology or technique to export to Europe. It didn't happen.

The art of megalithic precision architecture died with the original builders.

The art of megalithic precision architecture, as you put it, no longer held the importance that it did before the Spanish arrived. Common sense would seem to indicate that the Spanish arrival held causation there, not some 'unknown'. I don't know, disease, war, slavery, those are the kinds of things that could interrupt civilization to a point that stoneworking took a back seat don't you think?

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Cieza de Leon told that the Chachapoyas had lighter skin than other South American peoples and blond hair.

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Here is site from where Inca cut stones. I guess. Now look those lines. Wired?

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You keep saying this. The explanations make no sense.

Go back and read Abramelin's citations.

I disagree with your last statement. The Spanish were saturated with Catholicism. If they had a chance to glorify that religion with precision feats, long lasting into eternity they would have done so.

You're projecting. They're an occupation force. Their first order of business after subduing the population is to establish a usable infrastructure. That requires Speed and efficiency. Bear in mind there was nothing to keep them from replicating the style at least using their own methods, yet they didn't. Why?

The fact that stylistically, all the colonial construction in the new world emulates that of the old should also be taken into account. The Inca construction would be incompatible with that, more-so for being the products of heathens to a culture known for ruthlessly stamping such things out in favor of assimilation to their own.

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I know the history as well as you do STF. The point is that if what you are saying is true the Spanish would have had a fantastic technology or technique to export to Europe. It didn't happen.

The art of megalithic precision architecture died with the original builders.

Thank you. Perhaps that confirms what I just said.

The Spaniards were not impressed because they did not witness any fantastic technology or techniques:

Maybe, just maybe, the Spanish were not impressed by the natives stonework since they would have been quite familiar with their own European standards of building complex cathedrals with huge domes, roads, bridges etc and elaborate artwork, literature, science and engineering. When they saw the natives stacking stones using brute-force methods they probably thought it was no big deal.

If the Incas were using some advanced engineering methods that impressed the Spaniards I would think it safe to say they would have begun using it in their home country.

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Another smoking gun; relevant to the discussion and an expert witness. Expert stonemason and sculptor Roger Hopkins comments on the ancient precision stonework:

Here is the title just in case it gets snipped:

Ancient-Aliens-Season-1-Episode-1-The-Evidence-Part 5

[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLwV2EpGPdk[/media]

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