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Election Results By County

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Even more proof that the "entitled" will decide every election from now on.

Edit to add : Take a particularly close look at Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Florida. My home state was single handedly decided by Philadelphia. Even Pittsburgh was somewhat split.

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Even more proof that the "entitled" will decide every election from now on.

You mean like on the Michigan upper peninsula where most everybody lives half a year from unemployment benefits? Looks very red to me.

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You mean like on the Michigan upper peninsula where most everybody lives half a year from unemployment benefits? Looks very red to me.

I wouldn't be so quick to lump the unemployed into the entitled. Most of them are looking for work, and probably didn't want their opportunities threatened even more with another Obama term.

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I wouldn't be so quick to lump the unemployed into the entitled. Most of them are looking for work, and probably didn't want their opportunities threatened even more with another Obama term.

Yeh right, fact of the matter is that about 90% of US citizens are entitled, be it with a 401K, social security or subsidies for their enterprises.

It has nothing to do with it. Just those who cannot defend themselves easily (like the 2% on welfare) are best targets for chickens to hack on.

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Yeh right, fact of the matter is that about 90% of US citizens are entitled, be it with a 401K, social security or subsidies for their enterprises.

It has nothing to do with it. Just those who cannot defend themselves easily (like the 2% on welfare) are best targets for chickens to hack on.

So the 47 million people on food stamps, to use a perfect example, are unable to find enough work to feed themselves and their families? I already know the answer to that, because I can speak from personal experience. Your 2% number is complete crap, and you know it.

And people ARE entitled to do what they please with their OWN money (401k, bonds, pensions, etc...). They are not entitled to do what they please with others' money.

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So the 47 million people on food stamps, to use a perfect example, are unable to find enough work to feed themselves and their families? I already know the answer to that, because I can speak from personal experience. Your 2% number is complete crap, and you know it.

And people ARE entitled to do what they please with their OWN money (401k, bonds, pensions, etc...). They are not entitled to do what they please with others' money.

The 47 million people on food stamps have, as a rule, more than one job and still can't make ends meet and as a rule do not live in blue states, Mississippi come to mind, as you can see from this map:

Graph_Food_Stamps_November_2011.jpg

most live in red non-union states.

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I'm with ya legai, I know it sucks but considering the landslide blowouts throughout history it clear that the country doesn't stick to the same ideas for all that long. Considering the maps below its also clear that Obama isn't as popular as he seems to be. There have been many other presidents far more beloved. FDR owned the country big for 4 terms and Reagan's second term was 525-13 and I remember hearing that he didn't even campaign as the incumbent. That's how good he was. Obama on the other hand spends untold amounts of money, used every talk show venue and campaigned more than he worked for the better part of the second half of his first term. Don't worry, he ain't that great and it will be over someday.

http://www.100bestwebsites.org/alt/evmaps/electoral-maps.htm

1928 Herbert Hoover

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/ElectoralCollege1928.svg

1936 FDR

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/ElectoralCollege1936.svg

1972 Richard Nixon

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/ElectoralCollege1972.svg

1984 Reagan

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/ElectoralCollege1984.svg

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Even more proof that the "entitled" will decide every election from now on.

Edit to add : Take a particularly close look at Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Florida. My home state was single handedly decided by Philadelphia. Even Pittsburgh was somewhat split.

That's a fairly useless map.

1. Counties aren't winner-take-all so very little information is conveyed by making them red or blue. It would more useful to use a color scale--varying through red, purple, and blue--that gives a sense of the relative scale of each candidate's victory in each county. That would like this for the 2012 election:

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2. People are not evenly distributed across counties. Of course that's obvious given the sea of red in your map and the fact that Obama just won a convincing electoral victory. But there's no reason to imply something untoward is going on just because most people live in population centers (which is more or less tautologically true). Anyway, a more useful geographical representation would be a cartogram, which makes the size of a county on the map proportional to its actual population. That would look like this:

countycartpurple1024.png

Presents a little more nuanced a picture of county-level data, doesn't it?

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That's a fairly useless map.

1. Counties aren't winner-take-all so very little information is conveyed by making them red or blue. It would more useful to use a color scale--varying through red, purple, and blue--that gives a sense of the relative scale of each candidate's victory in each county. That would like this for the 2012 election:

countymappurple1024.png

2. People are not evenly distributed across counties. Of course that's obvious given the sea of red in your map and the fact that Obama just won a convincing electoral victory. But there's no reason to imply something untoward is going on just because most people live in population centers (which is more or less tautologically true). Anyway, a more useful geographical representation would be a cartogram, which makes the size of a county on the map proportional to its actual population. That would look like this:

countycartpurple1024.png

Presents a little more nuanced a picture of county-level data, doesn't it?

It presents exactly what I suggested - mob rules.

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It presents exactly what I suggested - mob rules.

No, majority does, and calling the majority a mob because they don't agree with you shows a scary shortcoming in democratic understanding.

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No, majority does, and calling the majority a mob because they don't agree with you shows a scary shortcoming in democratic understanding.

Well, Democracy is Socialism. This nation is a Republic. It is a nation of laws, not the dreams of a despot’s father. However, majority rule is the only vestige of Socialism that is a necessary evil in our system. This is just not my belief but also what the Founding Fathers believed. If they believed otherwise, then Washington would have been our King. As we have seen it can very easily turn into mob rule (exactly what the Founding Fathers warned of). We knew what we had with 4 years of Obama. If he was a head coach in the NFL, he would have been fired by now. But with the aid of the MSM, he was able to buy another term. !00 years from now, that is what Historians will confirm. FDR, Reagan, and I’ll even say Nixon had earned their other terms.

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Well, Democracy is Socialism. This nation is a Republic. It is a nation of laws, not the dreams of a despot's father. However, majority rule is the only vestige of Socialism that is a necessary evil in our system. This is just not my belief but also what the Founding Fathers believed. If they believed otherwise, then Washington would have been our King. As we have seen it can very easily turn into mob rule (exactly what the Founding Fathers warned of). We knew what we had with 4 years of Obama. If he was a head coach in the NFL, he would have been fired by now. But with the aid of the MSM, he was able to buy another term. !00 years from now, that is what Historians will confirm. FDR, Reagan, and I'll even say Nixon had earned their other terms.

You better buy yourself a dictionary, the above is some great, though involuntary, slapstick.

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Those who are waving the entitlement flag, yes there are people on the dole so to speak but right now there are far more hard working people trying to keep a roof over their head and some food in the fridge. They don't want a hand out they need a hand up or they'll drown. Despite some people's feelings on the outcome of the election, I'm very hopeful. No matter your feelings (or superstitions) about the President, the country is changing and for the better. The economy is recovering, and socially we're become more inclusive which is scary to some people. I find it funny and somewhat ironic that the pundits who are shaking their heads at the "end of America" seem to have forgotten history altogether. The demographics of this country have always been changing. Hispanic people have been in the Americas longer than the US has been around. That people of different races are becoming a powerful voting block is what this country was founded on. Immigrants have always been a part of the United States and they probably always will be. They are a vibrant and integral part of our country. I'm just sorry that those few political pundits who seem to think they speak for so many have lost what the American spirit is really about.

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It presents exactly what I suggested - mob rules.

That's what democracy is.

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countymaprb1024.png

Even more proof that the "entitled" will decide every election from now on.

Edit to add : Take a particularly close look at Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Florida. My home state was single handedly decided by Philadelphia. Even Pittsburgh was somewhat split.

The scarier point in all of this - and it should be scary for both Republicans AND Democrats - is that election science has been honed to such a degree that tactically targeting a mere handful of counties around the country can deliver an election for one candidate or another.

When I was growing up, the chief complaint was that "we never see XXXXX campaigning in our state" - well, now, the complaint is "we never see XXXXX campaigning in our county."

Until such time as we have another great unifier in the mold of Reagan on the political scene, Broward, Cuyahoga, and a few other counties are going to be deciding our Presidents.

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The scarier point in all of this - and it should be scary for both Republicans AND Democrats - is that election science has been honed to such a degree that tactically targeting a mere handful of counties around the country can deliver an election for one candidate or another.

When I was growing up, the chief complaint was that "we never see XXXXX campaigning in our state" - well, now, the complaint is "we never see XXXXX campaigning in our county."

Until such time as we have another great unifier in the mold of Reagan on the political scene, Broward, Cuyahoga,

If people keep on voting for the same campaign after campaign they become irrelevant for the politicians, both during the campaign as during their tenure in office. Those who opt for a case to case get attention, presents and benefits, the others get nothing.

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You better buy yourself a dictionary, the above is some great, though involuntary, slapstick.

And I could buy up all the dictionaries in the world and you still wouldn’t understand what I am talking about. It’s not all that difficult to understand. But you being from Greece, I don’t know why I even try to explain.

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And I could buy up all the dictionaries in the world and you still wouldn't understand what I am talking about. It's not all that difficult to understand. But you being from Greece, I don't know why I even try to explain.

Well, yes, if you use words and definitions out of their context nobody knows what you are talking about. That is why language is a defined set of expressions.

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I just wish I was dumb enough to buy a smart phone. because everyone I know on goverment assistance has one.

I wish I didn't know so much about the founding of this country then I wouldn't be so sad about what a mess it has become.

I wish I wasn't so responisble with my money then I could take advantage of other responsible tax-payers.

I wish I was dumb enough to vote for Obama. Then I wouldn't be so sad he won.

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You mean like on the Michigan upper peninsula where most everybody lives half a year from unemployment benefits? Looks very red to me.

Places like Michigan took the worst hits when our government sold us to China. The poorest states among us would benefit the most from sucession. Sure they might not be able to take governmnent welfare anymore from states that are currently doing well, but they would be able to make thier own trade agreements, and compete on the world stage again. Theyd also be able to place tariffs on prducts coming in. No more supporting slave labor from china.

Of course it will never happen, but Id love to become part of America 2.

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That's what democracy is.

As mentioned, this nation is not a democracy, it is a representative republic.

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Of course is the USA a democracy. Republic is simply a term that describes that the head of a country is not a monarch. Nothing more.

Edit: It is not a direct democracy, but a representative democracy. I think those are the terms you were looking for.

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Of course is the USA a democracy. Republic is simply a term that describes that the head of a country is not a monarch. Nothing more.

Not quite, but mostly right.

Republic means that the interests of the citizens are in care of representatives. If the representatives are there because of their religion we call it a theocracy, if they are there because they have most money a oligarchy, if they are there because they belong to a caste we have an aristocracy, if because they have the productive means we have a plutocracy and finally, if they are elected by suffrage we have a democracy.

This tendency of certain circles to say that the US is a republic but not a democracy is just another soft attempt to take away citizens rights without anybody missing them.

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And I could buy up all the dictionaries in the world and you still wouldn’t understand what I am talking about. It’s not all that difficult to understand. But you being from Greece, I don’t know why I even try to explain.

You don't understand it, so please refrain from making comments like "democracy is socialism". That is as silly as it can get. And I do understand what I am talking about.

By the way, questionmark may be living in Greece, but is not 'from' Greece.

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