granpa Posted November 19, 2012 #1 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) Comparative_mythology_chart Nephele - Religion-wiki In Greek mythology, Nephele ( Greek: Νεφέλη, from νέφος nephos "cloud"; Latinized to Nubes ) was a cloud nymph who figured prominently in the story of Phrixus and Helle. [1]Greek myth also has it that Nephele is the cloud whom Zeus created in the image of Hera to trick Ixion to test his integrity after displaying his lust for Hera during a feast as a guest of Zeus. Ixion failed in restraining his lust for Hera, thus fathering the Centaurs. Cent-χείρ (100-handers): In Greek mythology, a centaur (from Ancient Greek Κένταυροι – Kéntauroi) or hippocentaur [1][2][3] is a member of a composite race of creatures, part human and part horse. In early Attic and Boeotian vase-paintings, as on the kantharos , they are depicted with the hindquarters of a horse attached to them; in later renderings centaurs are given the torso of a human joined at the waist to the horse's withers, where the horse's neck would be. This half-human and half-animal composition has led many writers to treat them as liminal beings, caught between the two natures, embodied in contrasted myths, both as the embodiment of untamed nature, as in their battle with the Lapiths, or conversely as teachers, like Chiron. Hekatonkheires - Religion-wiki The Hekatonkheires , or Hecatonchires (pronounced:ˌhɛkətəŋˈkaɪriːz; Greek: Ἑκατόγχειρες "Hundred-Handed Ones," Latinized Centimani ), were figures in an archaic stage of Greek mythology, three giants of incredible strength and ferocity, that surpasses that of all of Titans whom they helped overthrow. Their name derives from the Ancient Greek ἑκατόν ( hekaton ; "hundred") and χείρ ( kheir ; "hand"), "each of them having a hundred hands and fifty heads" Niflheim - Religion-wiki Niflheim (or Niflheimr ) ("Mist Home", the "Abode of Mist" or "Mist World") is one of the Nine Worlds and is a location in Norse mythology which overlaps with the notions of Niflhel and Hel. The name Niflheimr only appears in two extant sources, Gylfaginning and the much debated Hrafnagaldr Óðins . According to Gylfaginning, it was one of the two primordial realms, the other one being Muspelheim, the realm of fire. Between these two realms of cold and heat, creation began. Later, it became the location of Hel, the abode of those who did not die a heroic death. Edited November 19, 2012 by granpa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keel M. Posted November 19, 2012 #2 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Aside from sharing a bunch of definitions, I'm not sure what you are trying to discuss. Perhaps someone else knows more and can enlighten me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted November 19, 2012 #3 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) "Sons of" would be "Benei" in Hebrew “Sons of God” is “Benei ha-Elohim” . Edited November 19, 2012 by Abramelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted November 20, 2012 #4 Share Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) Not sure on this one granpa but thought this was an interesting connection to Orion, whose followers/sons are called possibly Nephilim in Aramaic, and him being a cloud, like Nephele.: The 16th-century Italian mythographer Natalis Comes interpreted the whole story of Orion as an allegory of the evolution of a storm cloud: Begotten by air (Zeus), water (Poseidon), and the sun (Apollo), a storm cloud is diffused (Chios, which Comes derives from χέω, "pour out"), rises though the upper air (Aërope, as Comes spells Merope), chills (is blinded), and is turned into rain by the moon (Artemis). He also explains how Orion walked on the sea: "Since the subtler part of the water which is rarefied rests on the surface, it is said that Orion learned from his father how to walk on water."[67] Similarly, Orion's conception made him a symbol of the philosophical child, an allegory of philosophy springing from multiple sources, in the Renaissance as in alchemical works, with some variations. The 16th-century German alchemist Michael Maier lists the fathers as Apollo, Vulcan and Mercury,[68] and the 18th-century French alchemist Antoine-Joseph Pernety gave them as Jupiter, Neptune and Mercury http://en.wikipedia....rion_(mythology) In Aramaic culture, the term niyphelah refers to the Constellation of Orion, and nephilim to the offspring of Orion in mythology. (A bit dubious though) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim I think also that Orion can be equated with Osiris. Edited November 20, 2012 by The Puzzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granpa Posted November 20, 2012 Author #5 Share Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) I think also that Orion can be equated with Osiris. According to my chart, that is reasonable ouranos = Ir-on-os = eye-great-many = many great eyes centaur = 100 hand cronus = chiron-os =chir-on-os = hand great many Edited November 20, 2012 by granpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granpa Posted November 20, 2012 Author #6 Share Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) BTW, that chart loads very slowly (I dont know why) so if you just want the greek mythology you can use this: http://religion.wiki...ogy_chart/Greek you can also download the charts webpage to your hardrive and it will load much faster from there Edited November 20, 2012 by granpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted November 20, 2012 #7 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Sitchin assumes "nephilim" comes from the Hebrew word "naphal" which usually means "to fall." He then forces the meaning "to come down" onto the word, creating his "to come down from above" translation. In the form we find it in the Hebrew Bible, if the word nephilim came from Hebrew naphal, it would not be spelled as we find it. The form nephilim cannot mean "fallen ones" (the spelling would then be nephulim). Likewise nephilim does not mean "those who fall" or "those who fall away" (that would be nophelim). The only way in Hebrew to get nephilim from naphal by the rules of Hebrew morphology (word formation) would be to presume a noun spelled naphil and then pluralize it. I say "presume" since this noun does not exist in biblical Hebrew -- unless one counts Genesis 6:4 and Numbers 13:33, the two occurrences of nephilim -- but that would then be assuming what one is trying to prove! However, in Aramaic the noun naphil(a) does exist. It means "giant," making it easy to see why the Septuagint (the ancient Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible) translated nephilim as gigantes ("giant"). Source: Michael Heiser Harte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoIverine Posted November 20, 2012 #8 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Not wanting to come off as dim, I did look at the chart for a few minutes. Granpa, Biblical teachings seem to diverge quite a bit from the mythological references you have there. At least, the apocryphal texts do...with the "watchers" and what not mating with human women leading to the nephilim. Whereas Nephele appears in mythology to be one being spawning many? Interesting theories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granpa Posted February 22, 2014 Author #9 Share Posted February 22, 2014 (edited) Ne-phil-im = Un-fall-en ones? νεφελη nephele a cloud used of the cloud which led the Israelites in the wilderness clouds don't fall Edited February 22, 2014 by granpa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted February 22, 2014 #10 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Typical of a Grandpa. Starts a conversation, wanders off, then reappears 15 months later to continue the conversation. (only joking, granpa) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted February 22, 2014 #11 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Typical of a Grandpa. Starts a conversation, wanders off, then reappears 15 months later to continue the conversation. (only joking, granpa) And without reading any ensuing posts. Like mine, where I show him that Nephilim does not mean "fallen ones." Harte 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted February 22, 2014 #12 Share Posted February 22, 2014 And without reading any ensuing posts. Like mine, where I show him that Nephilim does not mean "fallen ones." Harte Well, you're attempting to introduce reasonable lingusitic information into this situation, rather than lego linguistics. You can see why that'd be ignored. --Jaylemurph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Gorp Posted February 23, 2014 #13 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Some connections ... Nevel (Ne-Val) is the mist we know (when warm moist air falls down on the cold ground and forms a cloud). I think Sitchin didn't really invent the meaning of the falling down of the Nephilim from the total void (see below extract from 17th ce), he maybe did it only in a more spectacular way as extraterrestrials it seems. The 'down fall' of the Nephilim can be more realistic interpreted as the attack from above (just from a higher region, mountains). For attack we still use the word aan-val (fall on). The Gigantes can evenly be interpreted as the people living in higher regions (Sich-An 'ts -> the ones you look on as they are high above, Sich as in Sight). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Spartan Posted February 23, 2014 #14 Share Posted February 23, 2014 According to my chart, that is reasonable ouranos = Ir-on-os = eye-great-many = many great eyes centaur = 100 hand cronus = chiron-os =chir-on-os = hand great many Sounds very Edo Nyland-ish. For those who don't know who Edo Nyland is, read and suffer... http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/bronze/nylink2.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Posted February 23, 2014 #15 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) Some connections ... Nevel (Ne-Val) is the mist we know (when warm moist air falls down on the cold ground and forms a cloud). I think Sitchin didn't really invent the meaning of the falling down of the Nephilim from the total void (see below extract from 17th ce), he maybe did it only in a more spectacular way as extraterrestrials it seems. The 'down fall' of the Nephilim can be more realistic interpreted as the attack from above (just from a higher region, mountains). For attack we still use the word aan-val (fall on). The Gigantes can evenly be interpreted as the people living in higher regions (Sich-An 'ts -> the ones you look on as they are high above, Sich as in Sight). From a perspective sympathetic to cultural anthropology, a better interpretation of the use of the word 'nephilim' describing 'giant or great beings' in a way synonymous to 'gigantes' can be explained by it's denoting of mythological or legendary figures from antiquity who had a significant influence on the cultural mythos of the people. This could mean the 'nephilim' were, in fact, ordinary people - real or imagined - from that culture's antiquity (but who may not be of that culture) who are aggrandised (and/or otherwise distorted) in myth or legend because of their impact (in whatever fashion) on that culture's history. There is absolutely no need to read 'nephilim' literally and deduce there existed some unknown race of giant people/beings in the distant past. Edited February 23, 2014 by Leonardo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted February 23, 2014 #16 Share Posted February 23, 2014 There is absolutely no need to read 'nephilim' literally and deduce there existed some unknown race of giant people/beings in the distant past. ...but that wouldn't be nearly as entertaining. And as everyone knows, entertainment is the second purpose of history, after "tool to show how clever I am at manipulating data". --Jaylemurph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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