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Some help please about 12/21/12 beliefs.

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That's not quite accurate either. You're right about the alignment occuring on December 3rd (on that date only) but it's a planetary alignment of Mercury, Venus and Saturn, not 'parent stars'. The pyramids will not align under them either as the planetary alignment will be at too great of an angle.

That, and 'three planets, three pyramids', I say 'big deal'. I could see the alignment over 3 pine trees. It wouldn't mean anything. Some sites also suggest that this happens 'only once every 2,737 years' which is untrue, the last time these three planets align was in 2005.

http://blogs.discove...pyramid-scheme/

Your first point however, I whole heartedly agree with. :)

And the planetary alignment does not include Earth, right? That fact often gets lost, or neglected to be mentioned. And then you have people out trying to "see" the alignment, when they have no hope of seeing anything other then Venus.

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There are other inscriptions at Mayan sites for dates far beyond 2012 — including one that roughly translates into the year 4772.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.c...s#ixzz2CnvRXY3c

I don`t worry about the Mayan`s doom day theory . But I do worry about all out atomic war and those fools playing around with that Hadron Collider creating a black hole or a dang asteroid hitting our planet :)

http://www.cnn.com/2...reut/index.html

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And the planetary alignment does not include Earth, right? That fact often gets lost, or neglected to be mentioned. And then you have people out trying to "see" the alignment, when they have no hope of seeing anything other then Venus.

From what I understand the planetary alignment would include the Earth, on that date, because planets align all the time dependent on where you are in space. It's nothing special really because all the planets share roughly the same rotational plane. It just so happens that from our vantage point, on December 3rd, they will align.All that it is, is a time to say, "Hey, isn't that neat?"

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From what I understand the planetary alignment would include the Earth, on that date, because planets align all the time dependent on where you are in space. It's nothing special really because all the planets share roughly the same rotational plane. It just so happens that from our vantage point, on December 3rd, they will align.All that it is, is a time to say, "Hey, isn't that neat?"

Huh? Interesting.

So will there be a Transit of Mercury by Venus, visible from Earth? Wouldn't that need to be very close to aligning with the Sun also?

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Huh? Interesting.

So will there be a Transit of Mercury by Venus, visible from Earth? Wouldn't that need to be very close to aligning with the Sun also?

You mean Venus crossing in front of Mercury, or both planets transiting the Sun at the same time? No, in either case.

There was a transit of Venus in 2012 but it's already occured.

2012 transit of Venus: http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/OH/transit12.html

On Dec. 3 all we'll witness is three planets in the night time sky that will temporarily form a straight line, nothing to do with the Sun. The only reason we'll notice or just due to our location on that date.

Perhaps this part of the discussion should be moved to the Astronomy forum. :)

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You mean Venus crossing in front of Mercury, or both planets transiting the Sun at the same time? No, in either case.There was a transit of Venus in 2012 but it's already occured.2012 transit of Venus: http://eclipse.gsfc..../transit12.html

Yeah Venus across Mercury. Eclipsing it more accurately. If the Earth is going to align with Venus and Mercury, then logically Mercury could be eclipsed by Venus, right?

Would Saturn be behind Mercury, or behind the Earth, in this alignment?

I only say near the Sun, because Mercury is really never far from the Sun.

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Yeah Venus across Mercury. Eclipsing it more accurately. If the Earth is going to align with Venus and Mercury, then logically Mercury could be eclipsed by Venus, right?

Would Saturn be behind Mercury, or behind the Earth, in this alignment?

I only say near the Sun, because Mercury is really never far from the Sun.

On Dec. 3 all we'll witness is three planets in the night time sky that will temporarily form a straight line, nothing to do with the Sun. The only reason we'll notice is just due to our location on that date.

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I'm not sure if I was clear. They won't be lined up in a visible transit like an eclipse. Just in an alignment in the sky. Sometimes they might form a triangle, but why no one cares about that, I don't know. :)

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All negative prophecies of death, destruction, evil, etc., are preventable ... if sufficient information can be obtained on further details of the precise nature of the negative event.

A private individual in my part of the world ... with the ability to obtain detailed information on future events ... spent 2 years determining what the 2012 event was and how to stop it. It was determined that the catastrophe would have been man-made, those who would have caused it, and how, were identified.

A plan was put into place to prevent the 2012 event in a way that would result in no one else being harmed, but at the moment it was about to fail, individuals on the other side of the world stepped in to ensure it succeeded. A dozen of them lost their lives doing so, and my respect and admiration go out to those unnamed and unrecognized heroes who gave their lives to protect an earth that is blissfully unaware of the danger it was in ... or of those who paid the ultimate sacrifice to save it.

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The idea of 2012 was just another doom porn story of no merit. The doom porn salesmen promised lots of doom as they always do. When it became clear to all of the gullible that nothing bad was going to happen the doom porn was changed into glory porn. The appearance of hope, higher vibrations, 12 stranded DNA, super powers, the easy button, enlightenment, omnipotence, star child, violet transcendence, crystal power, prana, and all the rest were soon to seenn to be as vacuous as the doom porn stories of sinkholes, earthquakes, asteroid impacts, rogue planets, annanaki, disclosure, tsunamis, volcanism, CMEs, solar flares, supernova, enslavement, plagues, WW 3, NWO, and all of the rest of the nonsense.

Now you want to tell us that 12 people died saving humanity.

Have not heard this story. So please educate me with another 2012 story.

1. What individual started to save us?

2. What was the danger?

3. How did the 12 die?

 

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:D      conspiracy woo woo theory fails ...... new conspiracy woo woo theory surfaces about how it would have happened , if not for  new secret conspiracy woo woo  machinations  ( that I only know about ) :)  

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All negative prophecies of death, destruction, evil, etc., are preventable ... if sufficient information can be obtained on further details of the precise nature of the negative event.

Well of course there is no conspiracy. This is the plot for the first part of a novel I have completed the first draft on, but it is based on logical ideas about something that happened in ancient history. In ancient times, there were two competing philosophies ... one, that everything is predestined, that nothing you can do matters, that it has all been taken into account and planned for, and that prophecies of destruction are inescapable, and if one doesn't happen it was because it was not a genuine one and was made by some nut job ... and two, that everyone has free will, that many possible futures exist, that any prophecy of destruction is preventable.

The ancient Hebrews had the view that we have free will and that genuine prophecies of bad things are always preventable, while the ancient Romans had the view that everything is predestined and no genuine prophecies of bad things are preventable. The early Christians adopted the Old Testament but rejected the Jewish teaching of free will, and adopted the Roman belief of predestination. You will still hear echoes of this in Christian churches today, with periodic sermons of 'we are in the end times, you should be rejoicing in the coming apocalypse because it means Jesus is coming'.

But what if the ancient Hebrew view, reflected in the Old Testament, was correct, that we do have free will? That would definitely imply that bad ends happen when the window of time and place for preventing them passes ... but could it also imply that all bad ends are caused by something that takes away free will?

That is the premise that my novel will be based on ... I say 'will' but I have the first draft written, so I don't want to spoil too many key elements in the plot, although I am asking for your feedback.

In quantum physics, there are some types of fundamental particles simultaneously taking every possible path that can exist ... although that is contrary to logic ... but it mathematically predicts the existence of hundreds of millions of parallel universes ... and logically supports the concept of free will.

Is there any theory supported by mathematics and logic, in any branch of science, that can describe something that takes away free will? Just one thing ... if time travel or time slip events were possible, and someone from the future changed something in the past, free will could be suspended.

If a Higher Power existed ... God and the angels, if you will ... with all of (future) history happening in the 'blink of an eye' there would be less time for Higher Power to influence people to do the right thing despite personal inconvenience, Also, if consciousness (and intuition) are quantum effects, intuition that warns of unforeseen consequences of bad decisions could also be impaired. Thus, any time-lines where the past was changed would slowly devolve into a hell-on-earth.

Anyway, this is the premise of the first part of my novel. And yes, if 12 people did die, wouldn't the future have been changed anyway, just in a different way, more difficult to predict since there are no prophecies to decode for the new timeline? I think this can be a great novel, yet more grounded in reality than syfy channel movies that have no science, mathematics or logic to support the premise.

 

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Then your post should be in wroter's forum . 

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I thought that someone who had studied all the weird and off-the-wall theories about the 2012 prophecy would be able to give some insightful comments. Anyway, have a great day!

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On 12/16/2016 at 3:49 PM, Shields and Wards said:

I thought that someone who had studied all the weird and off-the-wall theories about the 2012 prophecy would be able to give some insightful comments. Anyway, have a great day!

Are you saying that the OP was a fantasy?

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