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Satanism And Atheism Is The Same Thing

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So if Satanism means worshiping yourself as your own god then you are denying any GOD outside of yourself, and that is basically the core principle of ATHEISM as well, to worship yourself as the only GOD or the only intelligible creature out there... so atheism is the denial of any GOD except yourself, there is no loving GOD out there and you can only save yourself, thus it sounds much like SATANISM... dah... I MEAN Satanism is all about the DENIAL OF GOD, it has nothing to do with worshiping another GOD AT ALL, not even SATAN, since SATANISM also teaches you worship yourself as your own god, like SATAN wanted to be his own god, and did not want to bow to another god outside of himself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnwAs7yFTHE&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIDBEWd8y8E&feature=plcp

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So if Satanism means worshiping yourself as your own god then you are denying any GOD outside of yourself, and that is basically the core principle of ATHEISM as well, to worship yourself as the only GOD or the only intelligible creature out there... so atheism is the denial of any GOD except yourself, there is no loving GOD out there and you can only save yourself, thus it sounds much like SATANISM... dah... I MEAN Satanism is all about the DENIAL OF GOD, it has nothing to do with worshiping another GOD AT ALL, not even SATAN, since SATANISM also teaches you worship yourself as your own god, like SATAN wanted to be his own god, and did not want to bow to another god outside of himself:

How do you deny what doesn't exist?

Anyway this is the first time I've heard atheism is about worshipping yourself.

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there is big mix up here .. atheism is NOT rejecting god .. it's the logic of there is no god at all .. never was

therefore it's not rejection

while satanism acknowledge the existance of biblical figures " satan , god " and rejecting one

while the name of the belief is based the figure " satan "

i do not believe they are the same thing ..

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Poor kid is a South African with a speech impediment. But she makes some good points. Atheists do not accept God and therefore rely only on themselves. We all have a choice.

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How do you deny what doesn't exist?

You can mix your words up anyway you want, but it is what it is.

there is big mix up here .. atheism is NOT rejecting god .. it's the logic of there is no god at all .. never was

therefore it's not rejection

while satanism acknowledge the existance of biblical figures " satan , god " and rejecting one

while the name of the belief is based the figure " satan "

i do not believe they are the same thing ..

Believe me as en ex-satanist

The logic to SATANISTS is that there is NO GOD but yourself.

And atheists also believe no one can dictate for them what to do with their lives.

Thus as SATANISM is the SPIRIT OF REBELLION and doing what you want without a GOD telling you what to do etc,

It is the same thing.

SATANISM IS REJECTING GOD,

ATHEISM IS REJECTING GOD,

BOTH ARE ABOUT SELF-GOVERNMENT.

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You can mix your words up anyway you want, but it is what it is.

Believe me as en ex-satanist

The logic to SATANISTS is that there is NO GOD but yourself.

And atheists also believe no one can dictate for them what to do with their lives.

Thus as SATANISM is the SPIRIT OF REBELLION and doing what you want without a GOD telling you what to do etc,

It is the same thing.

SATANISM IS REJECTING GOD,

ATHEISM IS REJECTING GOD,

BOTH ARE ABOUT SELF-GOVERNMENT.

there is major leap you're doing here

atheism is NOT rejecting anything ..

how can you reject something that you do not believe it exist in first place ?

they do not reject anything they do not think they are gods ..

they simply think that there is no god the universe can all be explained in logical science and such

to them god never existed .. they neither reject or accept something " to them " does not exist

as for satanism they declare they " reject" god .. following satan's away

that he rejected god .. another misunderstanding here .. satan NEVER claimed to be god

satanism they do acknowledge the existance of satan .. therefore they acknowledge the existance of God

and in results they choose to reject god .

they DO reliaze there IS a god .. they just reject it

atheism do not blieve the existance of a god .. or any god

so it's not rejections simply because they don't reject something that didn't exist in first place

edit : and they certinally do not believe in the existance of satan as well

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there is major leap you're doing here

atheism is NOT rejecting anything ..

how can you reject something that you do not believe it exist in first place ?

they do not reject anything they do not think they are gods ..

they simply think that there is no god the universe can all be explained in logical science and such

to them god never existed .. they neither reject or accept something " to them " does not exist

as for satanism they declare they " reject" god .. following satan's away

that he rejected god .. another misunderstanding here .. satan NEVER claimed to be god

satanism they do acknowledge the existance of satan .. therefore they acknowledge the existance of God

and in results they choose to reject god .

they DO reliaze there IS a god .. they just reject it

atheism do not blieve the existance of a god .. or any god

so it's not rejections simply because they don't reject something that didn't exist in first place

edit : and they certinally do not believe in the existance of satan as well

SATANIST do NOT FEAR GOD,

if they KNEW HE EXISTED then they would have FEARED HIM,

because they would have "known" light would always win over their darkness,

and that like SATAN they are subject to their CREATOR...

but SATANISTS do not fear anything GREATER THAN THEMSELVES,

they do things without thinking about the consequences,

and make their own laws.

Well we could possibly argue that DEMONS fear GOD,

that creatures of DARKNESS FEAR THE LIGHT OF GOD,

yes that might be TRUE,

but SATANISTS are not the DEMONS that fear GOD,

the demons tell them NOT TO FEAR IT,

to see how far they can push them.

Thanks for bringing that up,

I SEE now something I did not see before,

there is indeed a difference but with whom?

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SATANIST do NOT FEAR GOD,

if they KNEW HE EXISTED then they would have FEARED HIM,

because they would have "known" light would always win over their darkness,

and that like SATAN they are subject to their CREATOR...

but SATANISTS do not fear anything GREATER THAN THEMSELVES,

they do things without thinking about the consequences,

and make their own laws.

Well we could possibly argue that DEMONS fear GOD,

that creatures of DARKNESS FEAR THE LIGHT OF GOD,

yes that might be TRUE,

but SATANISTS are not the DEMONS that fear GOD,

the demons tell them NOT TO FEAR IT,

to see how far they can push them.

Thanks for bringing that up,

I SEE now something I did not see before,

there is indeed a difference but with whom?

satan knew god .. and yet he did not fear him .. isn't that the motiviation behind satanism ? is to challenge god ?

the figure that the satanism was built in inspiration of .. knew god and god's power and yet he didn't fear him

so that explains why satanism reject god in like " we know you're there we're just not following you "

put it simply atheism reject the "" Existence "" of god .. not god him self

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SATANISTS sacrfice animals and do evil things.

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satan knew god .. and yet he did not fear him .. isn't that the motiviation behind satanism ? is to challenge god ?

the figure that the satanism was built in inspiration of .. knew god and god's power and yet he didn't fear him

so that explains why satanism reject god in like " we know you're there we're just not following you "

put it simply atheism reject the "" Existence "" of god .. not god him self

if the followers of the demons knew GOD was there they would live in fear,

THEY WOULD NOT CHALLENGE GOD since they would have known that they would always lose in any way,

so why even try.

SATAN can never win,

no matter how hard he tries to deny the existence of GOD,

since GOD created him how else could he have come into existence?

I wish his followers would have believed the same....

But this reasoning is tempered with by demons that tell them there is nothing to fear,

nothing greater than you etc.

Yes I understand what you mean between the two,

but I do not think SATANISTS believe GOD exists,

they do not even believe in hell,

or else they would not have done the things they do,

catch my drift?

The pagans believe there is NO HELL AT ALL,

despite what the bible says,

so how can they believe in GOD if they reject one thing in the BIBLE,

then they must reject all in the BIBLE?

We can reason about all of this non-stop,

yes ATHEISTS reject a GOD IN ALL TOTALITY,

and Satanists well that is up for arguing then,

I MEAN would they want to burn in hell?

No because to them there is NO SUCH THING,

so the can do as they want...

So if they can do what they want,

there is NO GOD OR SENSE OF JUSTICE,

that can possibly rule over their souls.

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i guess i don't understand . If 'satanism' is worshiping oneself ... then why call in "SATANism" ? why not call it SELFism?

If a person believes there is no God , logic would demand that they also believe there is no Satan?

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if the followers of the demons knew GOD was there they would live in fear,

THEY WOULD NOT CHALLENGE GOD since they would have known that they would always lose in any way,

so why even try.

SATAN can never win,

no matter how hard he tries to deny the existence of GOD,

since GOD created him how else could he have come into existence?

I wish his followers would have believed the same....

But this reasoning is tempered with by demons that tell them there is nothing to fear,

nothing greater than you etc.

Yes I understand what you mean between the two,

but I do not think SATANISTS believe GOD exists,

they do not even believe in hell,

or else they would not have done the things they do,

catch my drift?

The pagans believe there is NO HELL AT ALL,

despite what the bible says,

so how can they believe in GOD if they reject one thing in the BIBLE,

then they must reject all in the BIBLE?

We can reason about all of this non-stop,

yes ATHEISTS reject a GOD IN ALL TOTALITY,

and Satanists well that is up for arguing then,

I MEAN would they want to burn in hell?

No because to them there is NO SUCH THING,

so the can do as they want...

So if they can do what they want,

there is NO GOD OR SENSE OF JUSTICE,

that can possibly rule over their souls.

listen i'll put it straight in hope you'll catch my drift

now i don't know where you get this idea of samilirties between these two

but all i can say is to advice you of being carefull of what source you read from

such claims are often brought up by religious people to demonize people of different mindset or belief

and eventally it leads to hate against them

what better way to motiviate religious people into hating someone than saying " they follow satan " ?

personally i think atheists are really smart people " am not one my self "

but i still admire the fact they don't take anything for granted and inspect facts before believe in anything

after all god granted us something called brain " so we can analyize things " and not simply blindly dive in to faith

some things people need to experince for them self before choosing certain faith or belief

sorry to go off-topic a bit but i had to say it

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i guess i don't understand . If 'satanism' is worshiping oneself ... then why call in "SATANism" ? why not call it SELFism?

If a person believes there is no God , logic would demand that they also believe there is no Satan?

Very good question,

I guess for some throwing in the TERM SATAN they get some supernatural charisma,

to their own self-ism....

and anyone likes attention,

even if they want to BLING AND SPARKLE like their own made "god" lmfao

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listen i'll put it straight in hope you'll catch my drift

now i don't know where you get this idea of samilirties between these two

but all i can say is to advice you of being carefull of what source you read from

such claims are often brought up by religious people to demonize people of different mindset or belief

and eventally it leads to hate against them

what better way to motiviate religious people into hating someone than saying " they follow satan " ?

personally i think atheists are really smart people " am not one my self "

but i still admire the fact they don't take anything for granted and inspect facts before believe in anything

after all god granted us something called brain " so we can analyize things " and not simply blindly dive in to faith

some things people need to experince for them self before choosing certain faith or belief

sorry to go off-topic a bit but i had to say it

I understand,

but everyone is a little bit religiously intolerant of everyone,

because everyone sees themselves as different from each other,

haters gonna hate regardless of how you put something,

besides no one has to read what I write to go and hate someone...

they do it in anyway...

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Oh the smell of propaganda in the morning. :)

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Oh the smell of propaganda in the morning. :)

LMFAO I HATE PROPAGANDA,

i see myself as anti-propaganda,

anything against the SYSTEM,

that's me...

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I'm an atheist but I don't hold my self above anyone else nor do I worship myself or any of that nonsense. I'm a human being, no better, no worse then anyone else.

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I'm an atheist but I don't hold my self above anyone else nor do I worship myself or any of that nonsense. I'm a human being, no better, no worse then anyone else.

Very well said.

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I'm an atheist but I don't hold my self above anyone else nor do I worship myself or any of that nonsense. I'm a human being, no better, no worse then anyone else.

but you govern yourself,

because there is NO GREATER LAW,

no GOD means no GREATER RULE OF ETHICS,

am I right?

Basically if you do not believe in a GOD,

you can do as you want right?

It does not matter if you do not hold yourself as higher than others,

but you are holding yourself HIGHER THAN GOD,

OR universal LAW...

you decide how you live life,

basic existentialism...

so if you can do that are you not playing god over your own life?

it is the same thing.

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but you govern yourself,

because there is NO GREATER LAW,

no GOD means no GREATER RULE OF ETHICS,

am I right?

Basically if you do not believe in a GOD,

you can do as you want right?

It does not matter if you do not hold yourself as higher than others,

but you are holding yourself HIGHER THAN GOD,

OR universal LAW...

you decide how you live life,

basic existentialism...

so if you can do that are you not playing god over your own life?

it is the same thing.

i think you mixing up morals with religions

you see even non-religious people have good-bad morals

yet sometimes you see even religious people have bad morals and do horriable things

being from certain religion or non religion doesn't automatically gives you the right to do anything you want

there is moral line in everyone

beside the most horriable things done in history always been done by religious people not atheists

so morals can exist .. or not exist in both religious people or atheists

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but you govern yourself,

because there is NO GREATER LAW,

no GOD means no GREATER RULE OF ETHICS,

am I right?

Basically if you do not believe in a GOD,

you can do as you want right?

It does not matter if you do not hold yourself as higher than others,

but you are holding yourself HIGHER THAN GOD,

OR universal LAW...

you decide how you live life,

basic existentialism...

so if you can do that are you not playing god over your own life?

it is the same thing.

Let's see:

There are laws of society and laws of ethics which are made from the accumulation of people living together.

I can do as I'd like, sure, but within the constraints of the society that I find myself living in.

In Atheisim, there is no god, how can I 'hold myself' higher then a being I don't believe in? It would be like me saying I'm 'higher' then Barney the dinosaur. Is it true? Maybe. Is it false? Maybe. Is he real? No.

Universal Law? Like the laws of thermodynamics? Sorry, I think entropy's got me beaten.

It's not the same thing because I'm not worshiping myself, I don't hold myself higher then a being many people believe, I just don't believe in this being.

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i think you mixing up morals with religions

you see even non-religious people have good-bad morals

yet sometimes you see even religious people have bad morals and do horriable things

being from certain religion or non religion doesn't automatically gives you the right to do anything you want

there is moral line in everyone

beside the most horriable things done in history always been done by religious people not atheists

so morals can exist .. or not exist in both religious people or atheists

HITLER was also a self-serving ATHEIST,

horrible things are done by those who WORSHIP THEMSELVES AS THEIR OWN GODS WHO CAN DO AS THEY WILL,

you see the difference between hitler and normal people is that HITLER was in the position to HAVE ALL THE POWER to do what he wanted,

NORMAL atheists DO NOT and cannot just kill anyone they do not like,

because we have something like the LAW that is holding on by a thread...

LOL...

as for morals,

where did morals come from?

morals came from NATURAL LAW,

where way in the beginning man WORSHIPED GOD as higher than himself,

morals came from religion...

dictating the differences between right and wrong,

and so the LAW always came from them,

and the PUNISHMENT FOR DOING WRONG.

so for ATHEISTS to say they have morals,

then they are indirectly NOT FREE from religion,

regardless of how much they think they are.

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and that is basically the core principle of ATHEISM

Is this a joke?

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HITLER was also a self-serving ATHEIST,

horrible things are done by those who WORSHIP THEMSELVES AS THEIR OWN GODS WHO CAN DO AS THEY WILL,

you see the difference between hitler and normal people is that HITLER was in the position to HAVE ALL THE POWER to do what he wanted,

NORMAL atheists DO NOT and cannot just kill anyone they do not like,

because we have something like the LAW that is holding on by a thread...

LOL...

as for morals,

where did morals come from?

morals came from NATURAL LAW,

where way in the beginning man WORSHIPED GOD as higher than himself,

morals came from religion...

dictating the differences between right and wrong,

and so the LAW always came from them,

and the PUNISHMENT FOR DOING WRONG.

so for ATHEISTS to say they have morals,

then they are indirectly NOT FREE from religion,

regardless of how much they think they are.

No one's sure of Hitler's religious affiliation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

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Let's see:

There are laws of society and laws of ethics which are made from the accumulation of people living together.

I can do as I'd like, sure, but within the constraints of the society that I find myself living in.

In Atheisim, there is no god, how can I 'hold myself' higher then a being I don't believe in? It would be like me saying I'm 'higher' then Barney the dinosaur. Is it true? Maybe. Is it false? Maybe. Is he real? No.

Universal Law? Like the laws of thermodynamics? Sorry, I think entropy's got me beaten.

It's not the same thing because I'm not worshiping myself, I don't hold myself higher then a being many people believe, I just don't believe in this being.

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BELIEVE IN A GOD TO BE YOUR OWN GOD.

as for morals,

where did morals come from?

morals came from NATURAL LAW,

where way in the beginning man WORSHIPED GOD as higher than himself,

morals came from religion...

dictating the differences between right and wrong,

and so the LAW always came from them,

and the PUNISHMENT FOR DOING WRONG.

so for ATHEISTS to say they have morals,

then they are indirectly NOT FREE from religion,

regardless of how much they think they are.

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