Infant Euthanasia in GB

[+OverSword]

Samples from the article:

Sick children are being discharged from NHS hospitals to die at home or in hospices on controversial ‘death pathways’.

Until now, end of life regime the Liverpool Care Pathway was thought to have involved only elderly and terminally-ill adults.

But the Mail can reveal the practice of withdrawing food and fluid by tube is being used on young patients as well as severely disabled newborn babies.

One doctor has admitted starving and dehydrating ten babies to death in the neonatal unit of one hospital alone.

Writing in a leading medical journal, the physician revealed the process can take an average of ten days during which a baby becomes ‘smaller and shrunken’.

The LCP – on which 130,000 elderly and terminally-ill adult patients die each year – is now the subject of an independent inquiry ordered by ministers.

http://www.dailymail...-life-plan.html

Edited November 29, 2012 by OverSword

[Biff Wellington]

*insert sarcasm* What a fantastic practice.

[Star of the Sea]

OMG if this is true, then this is awful. My sister-in-law passed away from brain cancer and they withdrew fluids and food approx 10 days before she died. It was bad enough watching her die slowly aged 46 of cancer and dehydration. Just terrible... poor little children and babes

[Feebs]

OMG if this is true, then this is awful. My sister-in-law passed away from brain cancer and they withdrew fluids and food approx 10 days before she died. It was bad enough watching her die slowly aged 46 of cancer and dehydration. Just terrible... poor little children and babes

i am with you on this one it was 9 days with my father...surely they can make the passing quicker...we wouldnt let our animals suffer for that amount of time x

[Star of the Sea]

i am with you on this one it was 9 days with my father...surely they can make the passing quicker...we wouldn't let our animals suffer for that amount of time x

Hi Feebs,

Welcome by the way! I think they do accelerate the dying process in adults by 'upping' the morphine for terminal patients (which I think is acceptable) when they are close to death. They did this with my Dad and Father-in-law. However, with my sister-in-law they used the withdrawal method of fluids and food. It was terrible... really horrific. Sorry to hear you lost your Dad

[+OverSword]

Personally I would rather just get a lethal injection than dehydrated and starved to death.

Star and Feebs, my sympathies.

Edited November 29, 2012 by OverSword

[Q-C]

Do they cry?

[Feebs]

Do they cry?

this is what i would find hearless...with our dogs they just go to sleep snoring after an injection and slowly drift off....why cant we do it more that way...falling asleep maybe dreming your way to the other side xx

[Feebs]

Hi Feebs,

Welcome by the way! I think they do accelerate the dying process in adults by 'upping' the morphine for terminal patients (which I think is acceptable) when they are close to death. They did this with my Dad and Father-in-law. However, with my sister-in-law they used the withdrawal method of fluids and food. It was terrible... really horrific. Sorry to hear you lost your Dad

omg thats awful...why would they do that ...its so wrong ...this whole world has gone crazy...men on death row get better treatment at the end x

[Star of the Sea]

omg that's awful...why would they do that ...its so wrong ...this whole world has gone crazy...men on death row get better treatment at the end x

I know it's just awful. My late twin sis, who was a palliative nurse (specialist nurse for terminal patients) sat with my sis-in-law on her days off and tried to make her more comfortable. My twin sis was enraged by this practise (it was a different hospital and not NHS where she worked). Sad thing is my twin died suddenly a few weeks later after my sis-in-law died and they are buried side by side.

Edited November 29, 2012 by Star of the Sea

[Feebs]

I know it's just awful. My late twin sis, who was a palliative nurse (specialist nurse for terminal patients) sat with my sis-in-law on her days off and tried to make her more comfortable. My twin sis was enraged by this practise (it was a different hospital and not NHS where she worked). Sad thing is my twin died suddenly a few weeks later after my sis-in-law died and they are buried side by side.

bless you hun that must be so hard to come to terms with.....where i live in the uk the palliative nurses are amazing and the job they do is fantastic....my father went into a hospice at the end due to it being easier to administer the drugs needed for the last 9 days of his life ...i stayed with him the entire time ...he lived with me up till this point..the hardest thing i remember was when he was still speaking and said he was scared to die....as a nurse myself i have seen this countless times and you do try and harden to it but you just cant...i now have left that profession and wont go back as i cant see people suffer the way they do ...the law needs to be changed as it is heartless the way some are treated here and the prolonging of the pain is disgusting x

[Star of the Sea]

bless you hun that must be so hard to come to terms with.....where i live in the uk the palliative nurses are amazing and the job they do is fantastic....my father went into a hospice at the end due to it being easier to administer the drugs needed for the last 9 days of his life ...i stayed with him the entire time ...he lived with me up till this point..the hardest thing i remember was when he was still speaking and said he was scared to die....as a nurse myself i have seen this countless times and you do try and harden to it but you just cant...i now have left that profession and wont go back as i cant see people suffer the way they do ...the law needs to be changed as it is heartless the way some are treated here and the prolonging of the pain is disgusting x

Thanks Feebs. So you were a nurse! I bet you were a great comfort for your Dad and what a lovely thing that you looked after him so well. I'm worried because my daughter is about to qualify as a nurse in a few months and I wonder if this is the right path for her. The NHS has gone down the nick and you hear about all these horror stories.

Edited November 29, 2012 by Star of the Sea

[glorybebe]

I would much rather die suddenly in an accident or have a fatal heartattack rather than to be made to suffer so horribly for so long. How that must mess with nurses and doctors knowing what they have to do to their patients because of the law.

[Feebs]

Thanks Feebs. So you were a nurse! I bet you were a great comfort for your Dad and what a lovely thing that you looked after him so well. I'm worried because my daughter is about to qualify as a nurse in a few months and I wonder if this is the right path for her. The NHS has gone down the nick and you hear about all these horror stories.

its a tough job and it is hard to deal with but i did it for 20 years .more so with the mentally ill but still also your everyday nursing...and it wasnt till i lost my Dad that it got too much for me but i do private care now for the elderly so im still in that sort of profession...just not as fast paced really and i have time to listen to the people i work with and time to do the little things that count x

[Ashotep]

When I had to call the vet to put my horse down I was crying, been up all night in January out in the field caring for this horse, the vet told me someday you might wish someone could do this for you.

[Feebs]

When I had to call the vet to put my horse down I was crying, been up all night in January out in the field caring for this horse, the vet told me someday you might wish someone could do this for you.

its a very true thing he said .....no one should be made to suffer xx

[Merc14]

Samples from the article:

Sick children are being discharged from NHS hospitals to die at home or in hospices on controversial ‘death pathways’.

Until now, end of life regime the Liverpool Care Pathway was thought to have involved only elderly and terminally-ill adults.

But the Mail can reveal the practice of withdrawing food and fluid by tube is being used on young patients as well as severely disabled newborn babies.

One doctor has admitted starving and dehydrating ten babies to death in the neonatal unit of one hospital alone.

Writing in a leading medical journal, the physician revealed the process can take an average of ten days during which a baby becomes ‘smaller and shrunken’.

The LCP – on which 130,000 elderly and terminally-ill adult patients die each year – is now the subject of an independent inquiry ordered by ministers.

Why does this surprise anyone? It is as inevitable with single payer government run healthcare as long waits and poor service. Give Obamacare 10 years and we'll be there as well, maybe sooner with 320M trying to get Uncle Sucker let them see a doctor.

[Simbi Laveau]

*vomits*

[RavenEyes19]

I would much rather die suddenly in an accident or have a fatal heartattack rather than to be made to suffer so horribly for so long.

Agreed. My grandad died of a massive heart attack and I think it was probably a hell of a lot more pleasant than all my other family members' deaths. He collapsed in his bathroom one morning and was dead within seconds according to my grandmother. He probably didn't even know what hit him. With everyone else its been cancer or death after many years of alzheimer's. Personally, if I end up with either of these two I will find a way kill myself. I don't want to have to lie in a bed for weeks barely conscious, looking like a skeleton while my loved ones are forced to watch. I don't want to lose all my memories and personality either.

I feel physician assisted suicide should be legal everywhere. Pets have the luxury of dying quickly and peacefully, but for some warped reason we are not allowed the same option.

[+and-then]

Agreed. My grandad died of a massive heart attack and I think it was probably a hell of a lot more pleasant than all my other family members' deaths. He collapsed in his bathroom one morning and was dead within seconds according to my grandmother. He probably didn't even know what hit him. With everyone else its been cancer or death after many years of alzheimer's. Personally, if I end up with either of these two I will find a way kill myself. I don't want to have to lie in a bed for weeks barely conscious, looking like a skeleton while my loved ones are forced to watch. I don't want to lose all my memories and personality either.

I feel physician assisted suicide should be legal everywhere. Pets have the luxury of dying quickly and peacefully, but for some warped reason we are not allowed the same option.

I believe this will change in the next decade. Multiple millions of baby boomers who, let's face it, did not care for themselves very well, are going to become a massive burden on a mediocre healthcare system that allows anyone with a desire to be called a doctor to practice medicine. Quality people will expect to be paid well for their time - nothing evil about this - and that means the leftovers will be practicing what is one of the most difficult professions on earth. That single payer "free" healthcare will be almost useless and people will have to watch their loved one's suffer and die. Maybe when the last of the boomers have died off the pendulum will swing back - but probably not.

[Wyrdlight]

Depends on the basis on which its performed. In cases where the paitent has a terrible quality of life, is unable to function without the aid of constant medical care and is in great pain then such measures are a kindness.

[Mr Right Wing]

i am with you on this one it was 9 days with my father...surely they can make the passing quicker...we wouldnt let our animals suffer for that amount of time x

They are only allowed to put you down in the UK if death is imminent and you're in extreme distress. Its not called euthanasia either as thats illegal. Its called giving you a massive dose of diamorphine (which kills you) to relieve your distress.

Commonly used on people mushed under the wheels of a bus. 99% of patients will be dead from the diamorphine before they reach hospital.

[Feebs]

They are only allowed to put you down in the UK if death is imminent and you're in extreme distress. Its not called euthanasia either as thats illegal. Its called giving you a massive dose of diamorphine (which kills you) to relieve your distress.

Commonly used on people mushed under the wheels of a bus. 99% of patients will be dead from the diamorphine before they reach hospital.

i know all this....i have been present at countless patients beds during this process....but what the OP states is this is happening differently and that to me is wrong....i am all for Euthanasia as i have seen so much suffering needlessly x

[+OverSword]

i know all this....i have been present at countless patients beds during this process....but what the OP states is this is happening differently and that to me is wrong....i am all for Euthanasia as i have seen so much suffering needlessly x

I agree. When euthanasia takes of the form starving someone to death that's just cruel.

[smurf0852]

Why does this surprise anyone? It is as inevitable with single payer government run healthcare as long waits and poor service. Give Obamacare 10 years and we'll be there as well, maybe sooner with 320M trying to get Uncle Sucker let them see a doctor.

lol poor service for what we pay its 100% better than yours but its regulated so we cant get some hick inbread idiot to give our loved on a jab for 100 dollers to put them down .look it up british heathcare is better than yours and guess what we ALL get it not only those who can afford it .50% of your great nation (puke) cant afford healthcare that is something to be proud of isnt it .

what is it then let the poor die as long as "im alright jack" im sorry but we dont want that kind of sysytem and will never accept it.i hope you never become so ill your insurace bins you. you have to sell your home and your kids live in cardboard boxes .that can happen in your country but thankfully not in mine.