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Even the most insensitive proposals usually at least pay lip service to the idea of helping the uninsurable get coverage through taxpayer-financed high-risk pools. But you're going straight for the "let them eat cake" moment here.

The first thing you must understand is that Obamacare is not about helping the uninsurable. It is only about paying lip service to do so. It is only a dog and pony show to paint the Socialist party…I’m sorry, the Democratic party as the party of caring. The uninsurable are just being used by the Socialists. The only solution that the Socialists have is to throw other people’s money at the problem without any forethought of being smart about it. The only ones I’m going straight for the “let them eat cake” moment are the Socialists. There are better ways to care for those that need extra care and destroying this nation’s wealth is not the way. Instead of wasting our wealth on blanket cradle to grave care, specialize in only what people need or want. Setting up “basic qualifying plans” ends up infringing on my rights. It’s like buying cable. I get a whole lot of stuff I don’t want. It’s just easier on the provider to package it that way. That’s not very customer focused. An assembly line is not how to deal with Humans. Healthcare needs to be focused on the individual and the government can’t handle that. A truly open and free market can. Let people manage what “they” want and “when” they want it.

I have to wonder what exactly it is you want. You don't like the Democratic ideas (exchanges with guaranteed issue of insurance, regardless of medical history or gender, etc), you don't like the Republican ideas (high-risk pools and higher deductibles). Is there anything that doesn't offend you?

I think not denying people insurance is a good thing to have. We don’t need such a bureaucratic travesty to do it. Don’t use this for Obamacare to hide behind. I think higher deductibles are fine. However, you just don’t get it. Under Obamacare, deductibles will just keep going up. That’s not the Republican idea. All the good Republican ideas have been expunged. This law was crammed down our throats. In just the same manner that say the Stamp Act was crammed down our throats by King George. This is a one-to-one correlation. Such a law should have bi partisan support, which this one never had. I’ve said nothing different here and it will still fly over your head. I’ve been clear in my message and I even went into detail in at least one thread of why I don’t like Obamacare in a indirect manner, but you are just so high on the koolaid, you can’t reason rationally.

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The first thing you must understand is that Obamacare is not about helping the uninsurable. It is only about paying lip service to do so.

I don't know what this means. This approach has already been tested and the results are in: better access to care, lower burden of out-of-pocket spending (and thus less unmet care needs), and better health.

In 2010 Massachusetts adults reported sustained gains in health care access and use relative to 2006 (Exhibit 2; additional measures can be found in Appendix Exhibit 2; simple [unadjusted] estimates are in Appendix Exhibit 6).9 For example, in 2010 compared to 2006, nonelderly adults were more likely to have a usual place to go when they were sick or needed advice about their health (up 4.7 percentage points), and were more likely to have had a preventive care visit (up 5.9 percentage points), a specialist visit (up 3.7 percentage points), multiple doctor visits (up 5.0 percentage points; Appendix Exhibit 2),9 and a dental care visit (up 5.0 percentage points; Appendix Exhibit 2).9
The share of nonelderly adults who reported high levels of out-of-pocket health care spending (10 percent or more of family income) was lower in 2010 (6.1 percent) than in 2006 (9.8 percent). Consistent with the lower burden of out-of-pocket expenses, the share of adults reporting unmet need for care because of cost was down in 2010 relative to 2006 for all of the types of care examined except prescription drugs and dental care (Appendix Exhibit 4).9
Health insurance coverage and improved access to care are interim goals of the 2006 reform initiative; the ultimate goal is improved health for the population in Massachusetts. The survey used for this study had a single question about health status: “In general, would you say that your health is excellent, very good, good, fair, or poor?” Although self-reported health status has limitations, it is often used as a proxy for clinical measures of health when such measures are not available, as was the case here. We found strong and sustained gains in the share of nonelderly adults in Massachusetts who reported their health as very good or excellent, with an increase from 59.7 percent in 2006 to 64.9 percent in 2010 (data not shown).7

There's a difference between arguing this approach is too expensive and arguing that it's not going to help people.

There are better ways to care for those that need extra care and destroying this nation's wealth is not the way. Instead of wasting our wealth on blanket cradle to grave care, specialize in only what people need or want. Setting up "basic qualifying plans" ends up infringing on my rights. It's like buying cable. I get a whole lot of stuff I don't want. It's just easier on the provider to package it that way. That's not very customer focused. An assembly line is not how to deal with Humans. Healthcare needs to be focused on the individual and the government can't handle that. A truly open and free market can. Let people manage what "they" want and "when" they want it.

No offense, but this is incoherent. The point of purchasing insurance is that you may (or do) incur health expenses that exceed your ability to pay for them. Insurance, unlike a cable package, is a financial product. It's a way of paying for things.

The people you're talking about here would be (and are) denied insurance altogether or, at the very least, would be directed into an insurance policy with a rider specifying that that which they need insurance for is not covered. This concept of infinitely customizable insurance packages doesn't make much sense, both because 1) it isn't sustainable as a method for helping people with "extra" needs (which it wouldn't cover in an unregulated market anyway), and 2) it's much easier to determine what your favorite TV channels are than it is to design a financial product customized to your family's risk profile.

All the good Republican ideas have been expunged. This law was crammed down our throats. In just the same manner that say the Stamp Act was crammed down our throats by King George. This is a one-to-one correlation. Such a law should have bi partisan support, which this one never had. I've said nothing different here and it will still fly over your head. I've been clear in my message and I even went into detail in at least one thread of why I don't like Obamacare in a indirect manner, but you are just so high on the koolaid, you can't reason rationally.

You've been very vocal about all the things you don't like; I'm asking if there's any idea you do like.

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Of course . All this banter is just to make it look like he fought the good fight .

If anyone wonders why we need to pay more taxes ,well she can explain it best ..

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Yep. I guess we better raise taxes so we can keep on supporting this sort of thing. Wouldn't want her to break a nail at work or anything. Btw, it's my understanding this sort of thing can be generational...the parents live off of welfare, and then the children of said parents learn how to work the system and do the same thing.

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What a worthless leach on society that broad in the video is. And they call me heartless when I go off about people like her. Her mentality is shared by millions and is nothing more than Americas leprosy. People like her contribute nothing while everyone contributes to her. What a waste.

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What a worthless leach on society that broad in the video is. And they call me heartless when I go off about people like her. Her mentality is shared by millions and is nothing more than Americas leprosy. People like her contribute nothing while everyone contributes to her. What a waste.

Satire.... she's actually criticizing EBT abusers.

Here's another video she made.

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Satire.... she's actually criticizing EBT abusers.

Here's another video she made.

Oh man. Well that's art imitating life.

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Oh man. Well that's art imitating life.

haha.... you gotta see her other song PMS...... instant classic!

lol

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I'll do that.

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it's not a bill, it's a law.

and again you are forced to buy insurance to drive and forcibly removed from your paycheck as FICA. So you're argument is really hysterical.

What gives you the idea that Im happy about either of these? There you go trying to speak for me again... Im not happy about either... however, I have to follow the law of the and... just as with Obamacare... ill have to deal with it and move on. No ammount of complaining and screaming about the injustice of it is going to do anygood... life moves forward and so will I. Doesnt mean I agree with it.

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Well only a few more days to go before everyone`s taxes may go up. I think the President does`nt care, just more revenue to pay for the Obama health care program, not the debt :) He will just blame the republicans.It odd that Hillary has disapeared after her so called fall, will the Benghazi hearings ever come about to the truth what really happen in the cover up.

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