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Gay marriage 'to be illegal'

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Christianity does not teach rejection to compassion, empathy and love, it rather encourages it most exuberantly, you cannot see this side of it because of the starkness of the rejection of homosexuality. In truth, although it may seem that a Christian is hateful toward gays (and indeed some of them are, but who of us has been able to cast off all hatred?) but actually they regard homosexuality as a sin, they do not hate the person, but think they need to repent and be saved, since they are not gay, they think it's something that can be controlled....

I think some of the teachings do lead to that rejection inadvertantly. Otherwise such a strong rejection would be rare, ot common.

Personally, I hate that excuse. 'Hate the sin love the sinner' doesn't really work when it comes to homosexuality since a person's sexuality IS part of the person. So really all it is is condemning the person.

I'm glad you, unlike most christians, seem to understand that a distinction is there.

Getting close to god is a very powerful thing... Because of that power, many get confused and begin to think that in order to stay in that power they have to follow strictly to a higher teaching.. This does wonders for discipline and miraculous change but it also makes one vulnerable to cult like mentality where you will believe severly and belief in my opinion is geared to the wrong thing... The teachings of man, and manipulated religion, instead of the inner teachings of god... It's very deep.... Can't be all surmised here, but knowing god is very important for believers.

Getting closer to power can be a dangerous thing. It amazes me how easily believers can be manipulated into doing things simply because 'god says so'. Personally I think that's a big problem with organised religion. Spirituality is meant to be a journe that you make yourself, eyt all to often people would rather be told what to do or believe. I think a large part of what is attributed to god is man made. I doubt there's anything godly in any wholly text, since so much of it's been tainted by men adding to it.

Knowing god seems to be a rather odd and vague concept. Sometimes I wonder if believers are really knowing god or just themselves (or what they think god is).

I just cant see why god would bother with us.

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So really this thread. Is just another excuse for you to bash on Christians. You keep trying to bring up homosexuality. And debate it. But the thread is about gay marriage. Not homosexuality.

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So really this thread. Is just another excuse for you to bash on Christians. You keep trying to bring up homosexuality. And debate it. But the thread is about gay marriage. Not homosexuality.

You make out like bringing up homosexuality is something completely unrelated when it's not. As someone else pointed out, the two are linked. You can't debate gay marriage without the gay part coming up, especially when religion is involved.

Now if I was bringing up what my christmas tree looked like, or my thoughts on immigration laws or the EU, then yeah, you would indeed have a point. But, and I'm sorry this has escaped your notice, but homosexuality is relevent to gay marriage. In fact, it's kind of the main reason for it. It's also relevent because the church's stance on gay marriage is down to it's stance on homosexuality. So yeah, it is relevent.

Now if you can't take that, you don't have to keep coming back.

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So you just want to keep bashing Christians? You turn the conversation that way every time. You've admitted. That you have no reason. To complain about the OP of the thread. You've stated that you don't agree. With them protecting themselves. You just don't like them. Pushing their opinion on others. Yet you want to keep bashing Christians. Making generalizations. Ignoring that there are Christians who are gay. Mock our beliefs. Denigrate what you do not understand. The thing you say you dislike about the Church. Is exactly what you are doing.

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So you just want to keep bashing Christians? You turn the conversation that way every time. You've admitted. That you have no reason. To complain about the OP of the thread. You've stated that you don't agree. With them protecting themselves. You just don't like them. Pushing their opinion on others. Yet you want to keep bashing Christians. Making generalizations. Ignoring that there are Christians who are gay. Mock our beliefs. Denigrate what you do not understand. The thing you say you dislike about the Church. Is exactly what you are doing.

What exactly is your problem? Where is the bashing in what I just said?

No that is NOT what I have said at all. You can't be more wrong.

I agree they should be protected but they ALREADY had the protection. So what they've got is unecessary. I also don't agree with the church of england being singled out for aditional 'protection' when everyone else has the choice to opt in or out. Why only ban it outright in the church of england and wales? The catholic church was just as opposed, yet they only have the opt in measure. It just means if the church of england changes it's mind, it has to change the law, while every other faith group can simply say 'we want to do this' if they change.

How does creating a double standard for one religious group help anyone?

And, as I have explained before I do not like that they didn't want ANY same sex marriage for anyone.

I have bolded the parts that you should read and re-read until they are clear in your head.

I don't ignore gay christians, I feel sorry for them. That they have to put up with so much hatred. That they're told their love is sinful and wrong and what that leads to.

It's not bashing christians to point out that their stance on homosexuality needs a drastic update and that it does far more harm than good.

Please, before you make another post to me, read what I have said and be clear in what I am saying. Don't try and misrepresent what I say like you keep doing.

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An individual doesn't get to describe what Christianity is for everyone else. You can only do so for yourself. JGirl sitting here saying "That is the definition of Christianity" is foolish. As you say. We define our own beliefs. The more organized churches will do so in a more rigid way. But JGirl can't deny their version because she has a different one. That is silly.

cassea will you give it up with this? the literal definition of a christian is a person who follows jesus and his teachings. you can subcategorize or refine or add to your belief system all you damned well please but it does not negate the definition.

you twist that to seem as though i'm telling you what you can identify with and i am not. i am merely telling you that all the so called extras in each particular faith are the subjective interpretations of the bible - OLD testament for the most part.

do as you promised and put me on ignore for gawd sake. i'm so sick of your confused rhetoric

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cassea will you give it up with this? the literal definition of a christian is a person who follows jesus and his teachings. you can subcategorize or refine or add to your belief system all you damned well please but it does not negate the definition.

you twist that to seem as though i'm telling you what you can identify with and i am not. i am merely telling you that all the so called extras in each particular faith are the subjective interpretations of the bible - OLD testament for the most part.

do as you promised and put me on ignore for gawd sake. i'm so sick of your confused rhetoric

You are completely silly.. The literal definition is one who reads the Bible, Follows the teachings of God and also the teachings of Jesus. You can't just leave out God and go with Jesus. Nonsensical.

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You are completely silly.. The literal definition is one who reads the Bible, Follows the teachings of God and also the teachings of Jesus. You can't just leave out God and go with Jesus. Nonsensical.

who told you this is the literal definition of christian?

btw jesus is god apparently

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who told you this is the literal definition of christian?

btw jesus is god apparently

Yup.. A lot ( and I mean a lot ) of Christians, both Protestant and Catholic will say - Jesus is God.. I have seen many Christians say that on these boards too The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit = ONE GOD

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Yup.. A lot ( and I mean a lot ) of Christians, both Protestant and Catholic will say - Jesus is God.. I have seen many Christians say that on these boards too The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit = ONE GOD

i heard it a lot in church lol

i never really worried about it one way or the other

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Yup.. A lot ( and I mean a lot ) of Christians, both Protestant and Catholic will say - Jesus is God.. I have seen many Christians say that on these boards too The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit = ONE GOD

A lot. Not all. So you can't apply it to all. It is silly to suggest you can leave out. Belief in God. Not all Christians believe that Jesus is God. They consider Jesus the son of God. It is patently absurd to try to promote. Christianity as a belief in Jesus. Skipping over God and the Bible.

But this is off topic. So I will leave it at that. I agree that it is disrespectful. To tell people what they believe. Belief is a personal relationship with God.

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A lot. Not all. So you can't apply it to all. It is silly to suggest you can leave out. Belief in God. Not all Christians believe that Jesus is God. They consider Jesus the son of God. It is patently absurd to try to promote. Christianity as a belief in Jesus. Skipping over God and the Bible.

But this is off topic. So I will leave it at that. I agree that it is disrespectful. To tell people what they believe. Belief is a personal relationship with God.

answer my question

who told you that is the literal definition of christian?

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Where do you find the teachings of Christ JGirl? That is not a hard question. This is just silly.

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Where do you find the teachings of Christ JGirl? That is not a hard question. This is just silly.

that is not an answer to my question.

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Oh yes it is. Now you are just playing games. Whatever.

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You are completely silly..

i have had countless PMs with Jgirl since being at this forum, and one thing she isn't, is silly..

pot kettle black, me thinks..

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Where do you find the teachings of Christ JGirl? That is not a hard question. This is just silly.

The teaching's of christ is in the bible but the bible isn't the teaching's of christ.

The teachings of jesus is like a topic in a textbook. It is a small part of the book, not the whole.

You also have to remember that any claim any part of the bible is written by god is just that, a claim by men. As such any such claim is wholly unreliable and could be an outright fiction. Add to that the bible being editted and translated and, well it gets messy. You may as well get a second hand textbook (complete with notes) get it translated to German, then French, then Korean, then back to English (all with the notes being added into the actual text) then try and use it.

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Spoken like a non believer. By definition Christians are believers. How silly to try to insist that the non believer's view. Represents the believers view? What sense does that make to you at all?

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Spoken like a non believer. By definition Christians are believers. How silly to try to insist that the non believer's view. Represents the believers view? What sense does that make to you at all?

you don't read anything about anyone before you say crap like this, and you should because you wouldn't put your foot in your mouth so often..

i for your information am a believer.

you still have not answered my question, although you have used the word 'silly' several times in this thread.- i guess that's ok cuz it's a cute word huh?

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Spoken like a non believer. By definition Christians are believers. How silly to try to insist that the non believer's view. Represents the believers view? What sense does that make to you at all?

I didn't offer any definition of christians. Here's what I said.

1: The teachings off jesus are in the bible (which is true)

2: The bible is not completely the teachings of jesus (also true)

3: The bible was written and composed by men (true)

4: The bible was editted by men (true)

5: The bible was translated (possibly wrongly) by men (true)

6: Anyone can claim to havehad insight from god, that doesn't mean they did (also true)

So nothing I've said was a lie, it was all fact. It wasn't aimed to bash anyone, but it did answer your question (which was 'where to you find the teachings of christ?'), No mention is made of any definition of christian.

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<3

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http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/gay-plans-shock-for-welsh-anglicans-1-2693290?

ThE head of the Anglican Church in Wales is seeking to persuade the UK government to drop plans to make it illegal to marry same-sex couples in its places of worship.

Archbishop of Wales Barry Morgan said that the move to outlaw gay marriage in the Church of England and Church in Wales came as a “total shock” when it was announced by equalities minister Maria Miller on Tuesday as part of a “quadruple lock” to protect them from legal challenge.

Dr Morgan said that his church did not want the protection, which has put it in an “enormously difficult position”.

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Oh yes it is. Now you are just playing games. Whatever.

no cassea i do not play games.

i caught you in your bull****. again.

twice i have asked you a direct question based on something you said,

both times you have repeated ignored the questions or sidestepped them with claims of my silliness and how easy the question is, but you still do not answer it.

because you can't without exposing that you are merely trolling.

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you don't read anything about anyone before you say crap like this, and you should because you wouldn't put your foot in your mouth so often..

i for your information am a believer.

you still have not answered my question, although you have used the word 'silly' several times in this thread.- i guess that's ok cuz it's a cute word huh?

since i cannot edit the previous post i want to clarify that the bolded part was due to my mistaking your post was directed to me. perhaps you could use the quote button in future?

in any case the rest still stands

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Sorry for the delay Cassea.Sick little girl here at home,and she loves to run her daddy ragged.Even if he's sick too. :cry:

Please show me where I have stated that. It makes no sense that you even say that.

"Homosexuality is a sin. Like other sins. if you don't believe in sin. Then you don't believe in the BIble."

You replied to Jgirl,that not all christianity is the way that she stated.I replied to you that not all christianity is the way that you've stated ^^.Your post above Is one example.It does not read as opinionated,it reads as definitive.

And "you" is a broad generalization.

Your repeated use of "our","we","us",etc. in this thread,does not make the distinction of which belief or denomination of christianity you're referring to.My post was to separate myself from the "we","our",and"us".

You make no sense

Like minds I guess. :innocent:

P.s.I feel we're getting off on the wrong foot,Cassea.I know I'm to blame,and I apologize.I enjoy your postings,and do look forward to more. :yes:

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