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Nobody today has ever tried to increase the height, force, or volume of water from a CO2 geyser so

we have no information whatsoever on what could be accomplished. The PT is littered with informa-

tion about how to control geysers. There are more than 25 lines related to this topic. They included

the addition of sugars and salts to the water to force eruptions.

Odd that a fellow would suggest such a theory without knowng the most basic thing about fluid dynamics.

pressure = force / area.

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From what i have read of this topic (the first 8 or so pages and the last 3-4) i felt like i had to reply to this topic.

Over the course of those pages i watched Clad shot down evidence (the ramps inside the pyramid, showing calcultions and examples that man-power could have indeed built the pyramids). From Clads posts it seems he just doesnt want to accept or have an sort of open mindedness towards man-power being the anwser to the problem. he just shuns away from it and repeats him self "so please explain how were they built" over and over after given countless explanations. one post from the beggining of the topic interested me where he denounced scientists and all science in general comparing it to a religious preacher spreading his ideas. i thought this was quite ironic espacially how the matter in with clad responds. he himself seems to be a preacher often speaking in confusing manners, repeating the same thing over and over and not listening to other peoples claim instead quoting them and then asking the same questions that were anwsered in the quote(for example he quoted someone who had said there had be 2 explorations down into the tomb of the birds and in his post he asked why hadnt there been any)

i see his beliefs as almost a religion to him, one that he is trying to convince everyone else of while ignoring any attempt to change his mind with hard science and fact. from what i have read there has been some great evidence from some very smart people. Clad however has offered very little and often confusing evidence into this topic.

I know this will seem like a character attack but or someone how is saying they are trying to find the truth, to blantlay deny evdience and give no reason for doing so (saying the ramps on the inside would be disaproven in a few years???). i think Clad has his "truth" settled in his mind and he is just trying to spread that truth on to us

now my beleifs on the situation is coming in to the topic i was skeptical that humans could have built such a structure in such a short time. i do think that it is a possibility that aliens have visited us (to me i think this explains religious beings coming from the heavans rather than something some person dreamt up but thats for a time) and i think they may have given humans some technology (the explosion of technology after such basic life is quite extrodionary but i also understand how technology evoles expotentialy) however i am now under the beilief from the evidence in this topic, that these pyramids were built by humans. it has been shown i beilieve in this topic that it was most likely done by a combonation of skilled workers(for the more percise work) while they used slaves for pure labor. the evidence supports this. I feel you underestamate the egyptains engineering skills i mean how hard would it be to draw a triangle on a peice of paper divided up to show how many blocks would be used for each layer not overly complicated.

and one last post from clad i felt i must acknowledge was one saying why they didnt build a smaller one first before going alot of the big one. i mean come on where is the fun in that clad if your going to build some great monument you want it to be as grand as possible ofcourse your gonna go all out on this why waste 5-10 years (assuming alittle under half the height as you said 80 ft) building a "tester" when you want this great monument done in your life time doesnt make sense.

sorry for any feelings hurt or anything else caused by what one might call a character attack but i felt like he needed to be called out on some of these things.

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Only 520 years?

Well, damn then. I guess I'll have to finally admit that I was wrong about something!

Harte

Just imagine the overtime. :lol:

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now my beleifs on the situation is coming in to the topic i was skeptical that humans could have built such a structure in such a short time. i do think that it is a possibility that aliens have visited us (to me i think this explains religious beings coming from the heavans rather than something some person dreamt up but thats for a time) and i think they may have given humans some technology (the explosion of technology after such basic life is quite extrodionary but i also understand how technology evoles expotentialy) however i am now under the beilief from the evidence in this topic, that these pyramids were built by humans. it has been shown i beilieve in this topic that it was most likely done by a combonation of skilled workers(for the more percise work) while they used slaves for pure labor. the evidence supports this. I feel you underestamate the egyptains engineering skills i mean how hard would it be to draw a triangle on a peice of paper divided up to show how many blocks would be used for each layer not overly complicated.

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LOL I was about to say welcome to UM, dontworryaboutit, but then I noticed you've already been here several months. Come on, get that post count up!

On a serious side, although I always have flatly disagreed with cladking's conclusions and view them myself as entrenched confirmation bias, I give him credit for keeping his cool in the face of steady criticism. I've rarely seen him lose his cool even in the most heated of debates, and that says something. Most other posters in such a situation give up in short order and scurry away. I've seen it happen many times at UM, but cladking's still here. What you've reviewed in this thread is practically the exact same material cladking has argued for years, and he's received the exact same counter-arguments for years, so little has changed or probably ever will.

What pleases me is how you've altered your own beliefs from alien intervention to the fact that humans built the Great Pyramid—and all other pyramids of the world, for that matter. I for one have never questioned this, but then again I for one do not believe an alien race has ever played any part in earth or human history. It runs counter to science, as I see it. As far as ancient religion is concerned, it's considerably more complex than "religious beings coming from the heavens." When you study the origins and development of world polytheistic religions, you will note that only some deities were believed to reside in the heavens. Others reside in the landscape or in the water, while still others originate from subterranean realms. Ancient peoples like the Greeks believed every stream, river, pond, lake, forest, and glade was inhabited by divine spirits. The Romans believed every doorway or portal was imbued with four different gods. This has nothing to do with aliens from outer space but was instead simply early man's attempts to understand the world around him (and above and below him).

Just imagine the overtime. :lol:

cormac

That's a hell of a lot of bread and beer. Better down it all before it goes bad!

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yes kmt_sesh more of a reader than writer lol. i only post when i feel like something needs to be said. while i do give Clad props for sticking to his beiliefs. his unwillingness to accept any evidence is something else for lack of a better word. i do praise the pateince that some forum members have shown trying to explain to him there beiliefs and evidence supporting them to just be meet with the same responses over and over. as soon by my first post into the topic i dont really share there pateince. i am one of an opened mind and do accepet that different people have different views on things (personally i cant stand religion, and from what you said in your posts sounds like someone was having way to much fun eating the mushrooms back in the day lol) but if thats what people want to beilieve and what makes them happy so be im not one to try and force my views apon them.

i do enjoy reading these forums but some of the members here have some great knowledge of subjects(as shown in this topic) and i dont feel i could really add to most discussions and would probably just sounds foolish to some memebers in trying to do so. I just really couldnt stand how civil you people had acted with him (from what i read, im sure someone could have blown up with him somewhere along the 30+ pages i didnt read through) his ignorance to the info presented in some posts that he himself quoted was amazing to me and i felt like i must say something

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And if you followed

that new ben ben stone back to its origin it would come out in one of the many caves still under

the plateau.

based on its contents, i would not call it a ben ben stone. the water around and under the sphinx

was mixed with that sewage waters from humans.

ancient egyptians clearly would not of wanted that symbolism.

my theory of it being a drainage conduit leading into the spinx temple is what is happening there.

if they did find a geyser by some miracle somewhere far away,

it will not affect my theory on the use of it being a drainage conduit leadin into the sphinx temple.

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(sounds like someone was having way too much fun eating the mushrooms back in the day)

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(that'll be me.....)

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This number looks reasonable. I'm still working on their schedule but I believe they worked only ten hour days (or less) for about nine months per year. This schedule probably varied a little over the course of the project with longer days during the middle sections when water storage was impossible. They had ten day "weeks" with the first day (probably) given over to equipment maintenance only. There were numerous holidays with two weeks out of three having at least one holiday.

Out of curiosity, how did you come up with those numbers? The PT?

100 metric tons per hour would be easily maintained with two counterweights in operation so long as they had the ballast. These were just the main counterweights overseen by Isis and serket but there were additional counterweights on the cliff face to keep these supplied and probably an auxiallary counterweight for supplies and personnel.

All these years and I'm still surprised that you have never really come to understand counterweights. You would not even need the equivalent weight in water, because you could have stones in the counterweights that would be pulled back up with your "boats". All you would need is teams to pull the counterweights back up. The limit on how heavy the counterweights would be is limited by the ability of the pull-back-up team.

I still think it is fantasy however, because the Egyptians did not have a material that would last for even a couple dozen pulls up the pyramid, much less hundreds of thousands, or millions, of pulls. Bronze, wood, leather, skins, reeds, clay.... all would have quickly been insufficient to provide the surface sliding up the pyramid. Maintenance would not have been once a week, it would have been twice a day. The point is not that they could have known how to do it, or that they even had the technology required. The point is that they simply did not have the materials (Toughness, durability, strength) it would take to work on this scale for such a long time period. If they used counterweights, with systems of ropes, we'd see a dump in the old quarry full of rope, skins, wood and/or bronze, rather then a dump almost entirely of ramp-material in there.

This is why the cemetery is littered with titles related to water and handling water instead of ramps and stone dragging.

I thought it was just because the most valuable, hardest to get, high-class stone came down river. And thus required the more high class supervisors and noble involvment. Whereas the local stone needed no such specialists. It was simply quarried and dragged away.

They refuse to even see the five step pyramid that virtually proves beyond question that ramps were not used. Instead they choose to see spiral ramps and their faith can't be

shaken even when the proof finally rolls in that they are not spiral ramps.

People refuse to see the 5 step pyramid because the evidence does not support it. People believe in ramps because nothing else is as evidenced.

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yes kmt_sesh more of a reader than writer lol. i only post when i feel like something needs to be said. while i do give Clad props for sticking to his beiliefs. his unwillingness to accept any evidence is something else for lack of a better word. i do praise the pateince that some forum members have shown trying to explain to him there beiliefs and evidence supporting them to just be meet with the same responses over and over. as soon by my first post into the topic i dont really share there pateince. i am one of an opened mind and do accepet that different people have different views on things (personally i cant stand religion, and from what you said in your posts sounds like someone was having way to much fun eating the mushrooms back in the day lol) but if thats what people want to beilieve and what makes them happy so be im not one to try and force my views apon them.

i do enjoy reading these forums but some of the members here have some great knowledge of subjects(as shown in this topic) and i dont feel i could really add to most discussions and would probably just sounds foolish to some memebers in trying to do so. I just really couldnt stand how civil you people had acted with him (from what i read, im sure someone could have blown up with him somewhere along the 30+ pages i didnt read through) his ignorance to the info presented in some posts that he himself quoted was amazing to me and i felt like i must say something

If there's ever been evidence that we speak a confused language...

People are blind to the truth. The reality flies in the face of everything we believe and even what we sense.

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based on its contents, i would not call it a ben ben stone. the water around and under the sphinx

was mixed with that sewage waters from humans.

ancient egyptians clearly would not of wanted that symbolism.

my theory of it being a drainage conduit leading into the spinx temple is what is happening there.

if they did find a geyser by some miracle somewhere far away,

it will not affect my theory on the use of it being a drainage conduit leadin into the sphinx temple.

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How can you say it's not a ben ben stone when you don't know what a ben ben stone is?

I know only because of the PT. This is how I know the composition and ancient namwe of this structure. If I'm wrong about it or the PT it's easy to prove.

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Out of curiosity, how did you come up with those numbers? The PT?

Yes. ...With a little help from my friends the Egyptologists. I haven't figured

out the math system yet but believe it's going to be an ordinal spherical system

unlike anything we have today. We have spherical systems and my understanding

is there's even some playing around with ordinal math but so far as I know no one has

combined them.

All these years and I'm still surprised that you have never really come to understand counterweights. You would not even need the equivalent weight in water, because you could have stones in the counterweights that would be pulled back up with your "boats". All you would need is teams to pull the counterweights back up. The limit on how heavy the counterweights would be is limited by the ability of the pull-back-up team.

Yes! Certainly this would work. But you do realize the teams pulling these counterweights

back up would lift the entire weight of the pyramid. While this is way simpler and easier as

well as more efficient than ramps the builders said they did it another way;

1376a. The ropes are knotted; the boats of N. are tied together

I finally found the specific name for the counterweifght last night. I already know some gen-

eral terms but the specific name appears to be the "dndndr-boat". I haven't tried to follow the

derivation yet but generally fail at this usually. It might be something like "(the boat) that makes

things go up".

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How can you say it's not a ben ben stone when you don't know what a ben ben stone is?

ancient egyptians knew what their ben ben stone was after the waters retreated but we have the mound,

therefore in no part should it contain unpure sewage elements from water human sewage since humans were not around.

plus i very familar with the pyramid texts as you may know.

im sure you are recall my old talks about the ben ben stone in ancient egypt, so you claiming i dont know what it is puzzling unless you are trying to change its symbolism

are you creating new meaning for "ben ben stone" which changes the ancient egyptian view ?

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I still think it is fantasy however, because the Egyptians did not have a material that would last for even a couple dozen pulls up the pyramid, much less hundreds of thousands, or millions, of pulls. Bronze, wood, leather, skins, reeds, clay.... all would have quickly been insufficient to provide the surface sliding up the pyramid. Maintenance would not have been once a week, it would have been twice a day. The point is not that they could have known how to do it, or that they even had the technology required. The point is that they simply did not have the materials (Toughness, durability, strength) it would take to work on this scale for such a long time period. If they used counterweights, with systems of ropes, we'd see a dump in the old quarry full of rope, skins, wood and/or bronze, rather then a dump almost entirely of ramp-material in there.

There is a pretty detailed description of how to build these "boats of balance". Suffice to say

they are merely wood framed with the "hull" on the inside which is mostly composed of "short

pieces of wood" and it is tarred. It's a very simple device made of the materials they had in abun-

dance. Metal parts could be salvaged when one wore out and the rest used for fuel with the

timbers repurposed for other structural members. There was no waste in this culture. People

were held responsible for their actions and the consequences of those actions.

thought it was just because the most valuable, hardest to get, high-class stone came down river. And thus required the more high class supervisors and noble involvment. Whereas the local stone needed no such specialists. It was simply quarried and dragged away.

No. This doesn't work. Bringing the stone to Giza was a tiny part of the overall project so

there should be almost no representation in the record except to the degree that water trans-

port was important to Egypt generally. Instead "all" the jobs are related to water or could be.

People refuse to see the 5 step pyramid because the evidence does not support it. People believe in ramps because nothing else is as evidenced.

So, did you post at all when I debunked ramps or just pretend the post didn't exist? I don't

remember but clearly remember most of the points weren't challenged at all.

Did you draw a five step pyramid on the gravimetric scan? Of course not because it would

require effort and you're sure you see ramps. Here's a little easaier way to prove it's five

steps. Just cut a little piece of paper to measure the distance from a line to the edge of the

pyramid. You can clearly see that these lines are parallel!!!!!!! This proves by definition it

can't possibly be ramps and are almost positively steps.

You can see the five steps on Imhotep's mastaba misnamed Djoser's.

Why do you think the owners of the gravimetric scan specifically forbid me to post a picture

with the five steps drawn in? They simply don't want it widely known that it's a step pyramid.

Just look at it. It is obviuously a five step pyramid. Make a copy because they'll start removing

it from the web next. There are so many unauthorized pictures but they can delete these one

at a time. Believe what you want but it's still clearly a 6 1/2 million ton five step pyramid and all

the wishing in the world will have no effect.

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Why do you think the owners of the gravimetric scan specifically forbid me to post a picture

with the five steps drawn in? They simply don't want it widely known that it's a step pyramid.

What exactly have they done to stop you?

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There is a pretty detailed description of how to build these "boats of balance". Suffice to say

they are merely wood framed with the "hull" on the inside which is mostly composed of "short

pieces of wood" and it is tarred. It's a very simple device made of the materials they had in abun-

dance. Metal parts could be salvaged when one wore out and the rest used for fuel with the

timbers repurposed for other structural members. There was no waste in this culture. People

were held responsible for their actions and the consequences of those actions.

No. This doesn't work. Bringing the stone to Giza was a tiny part of the overall project so

there should be almost no representation in the record except to the degree that water trans-

port was important to Egypt generally. Instead "all" the jobs are related to water or could be.

So, did you post at all when I debunked ramps or just pretend the post didn't exist? I don't

remember but clearly remember most of the points weren't challenged at all.

Did you draw a five step pyramid on the gravimetric scan? Of course not because it would

require effort and you're sure you see ramps. Here's a little easaier way to prove it's five

steps. Just cut a little piece of paper to measure the distance from a line to the edge of the

pyramid. You can clearly see that these lines are parallel!!!!!!! This proves by definition it

can't possibly be ramps and are almost positively steps.

You can see the five steps on Imhotep's mastaba misnamed Djoser's.

Why do you think the owners of the gravimetric scan specifically forbid me to post a picture

with the five steps drawn in? They simply don't want it widely known that it's a step pyramid.

Just look at it. It is obviuously a five step pyramid. Make a copy because they'll start removing

it from the web next. There are so many unauthorized pictures but they can delete these one

at a time. Believe what you want but it's still clearly a 6 1/2 million ton five step pyramid and all

the wishing in the world will have no effect.

They forbid ANYONE from altering their images. They didn't single you out as frankly you're not all that important. Another case of letting your ego get in the way of the facts.

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ancient egyptians knew what their ben ben stone was after the waters retreated but we have the mound,

therefore in no part should it contain unpure sewage elements from water human sewage since humans were not around.

plus i very familar with the pyramid texts as you may know.

im sure you are recall my old talks about the ben ben stone in ancient egypt, so you claiming i dont know what it is puzzling unless you are trying to change its symbolism

are you creating new meaning for "ben ben stone" which changes the ancient egyptian view ?

ancient egyptians knew what their ben ben stone was after the waters retreated but we have the mound,

therefore in no part should it contain unpure sewage elements from water human sewage since humans were not around.

plus i very familar with the pyramid texts as you may know.

im sure you are recall my old talks about the ben ben stone in ancient egypt, so you claiming i dont know what it is puzzling unless you are trying to change its symbolism

are you creating new meaning for "ben ben stone" which changes the ancient egyptian view ?

I'm saying no two Egyptologists agree on the meaning of the ben ben stone or the primeval

mound. Just like all the sceptres and all the icons there is no agreement about what they mean.

This says no one really knows what any of this is. Many people have theories about one thing

or another but no on has been able to demonstrate that his theory is correct and this is tanta-

mount to saying we don't know what the ben ben stone is. We have no surviving examples to

the best of our knowledge.

What I'm saying is that if this thing groqwing in the teple is exactly what OI say it is (and I "know"

it is) then that would be both proof of my theory and would tell us what the bebn ben stone was

and what it looked like.

The time for words is past and words is all anyone has even after ramps have been debunked.

They have words to say but no facts to back it up. i'm not asking anyone to take anything on

faith; I'm saying that human nature is to be curious about facts and evidence but it seems no one

cares any longer because they want to let others do their thinking for them. If Egyptology won't

sample this and prove me wrong then it's because they are smarter and already know everything

just like Hawass said.

The problem with letting other people think for you who already know everything is that they can't

ever learn anything new and neither will you.

They are terrified of the truth and will not seek evidence that could overturn their beliefs.

We are on the doorstep of a new dark ages unless something changes. It's impossible to have an

age of enlightenment when no one is thinking and simply coasting on the status quo.

People need to wake up and clear the cobwebs or we'll get exactly what we deserve.

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What exactly have they done to stop you?

I don't know how much more clear they can be;

"Copyright EDF free. Added drawings to the image not authorieed"

It used to say in tiny letters at the bottom of the page "permission to publish with overlays denied" or something like that.

I've specifically asked for permission to post the drawing in my hand of the five step pyramid but haven't recieved it. Each person who cares has to draw his own.

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They forbid ANYONE from altering their images. They didn't single you out as frankly you're not all that important. Another case of letting your ego get in the way of the facts.

Of course I'm not important and I'm not only person who can see the five step pyramid though

I might be the first person to find it. Probably not, though, because overlays were forbidden even

before I found it and made it widely known.

There are no ramps. Ramps are not consistent with logic, common sense, or caves. They most

assuredly are not consistent with five step pyramids.

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I'm saying no two Egyptologists agree on the meaning of the ben ben stone or the primeval

mound. Just like all the sceptres and all the icons there is no agreement about what they mean.

This says no one really knows what any of this is. Many people have theories about one thing

or another but no on has been able to demonstrate that his theory is correct and this is tanta-

mount to saying we don't know what the ben ben stone is. We have no surviving examples to

the best of our knowledge.

What I'm saying is that if this thing groqwing in the teple is exactly what OI say it is (and I "know"

it is) then that would be both proof of my theory and would tell us what the bebn ben stone was

and what it looked like.

lol ok now you mention your speculating on a number on things.

clearly i stick with my theory about mound symbolism and the drainage conduit draining fluid into the sphinx temple, it wont be disproven when one understands the nature of annual floods and rainwater.

with the evidence i gave, it seems more probable than to design something you are suggesting.

i doubt they intended to grow what you call benben stone in the temple.

i only mention my opinion before on this thread strictly for fun.

the only reason i posted during this thread.

because you were abit vague about robert temple comments which i find to be misleading.

but you can believe in what ever you wish clad.

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lol ok now you mention your speculating on a number on things.

clearly i stick with my theory about mound symbolism and the drainage conduit draining fluid into the sphinx temple.

with the evidence i gave, it seems more probable than to design something else, i doubt they intended to grow what you call benben stone in the temple.

i only mention my opinion before on this thread strictly for fun.

the only reason i posted during this thread.

because you were abit vague about robert temple comments which i find to be misleading.

but you can believe in what ever you wish clad.

I don't know anything. I don't believe anything.

This is why they should be doing the basic testing; no one knows anything.

I'm not saying you are wrong, I am saying that you don't know you're right.

There should be outrage that they won't do this stuff but instead their inaction is usually defended and excused.

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I don't know how much more clear they can be;

"Copyright EDF free. Added drawings to the image not authorieed"

It used to say in tiny letters at the bottom of the page "permission to publish with overlays denied" or something like that.

I've specifically asked for permission to post the drawing in my hand of the five step pyramid but haven't recieved it. Each person who cares has to draw his own.

Oh.

But it's freely published on blogspot, so any reposting/modifying for discussion on a forum is pretty clear-cut fair use.

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I don't know anything. I don't believe anything.

This is why they should be doing the basic testing; no one knows anything.

I'm not saying you are wrong, I am saying that you don't know you're right.

its fine if you said you dont believe anything ,

fine and dandy for me.

but dont suggest what i know and dont know.

example the ben ben stone, you assumed i didnt know,

this is flawed logic especially if you read my old statements from the other website.

anyhow i dont have to prove anything to any1, im a seasoned analyst by profession,

but simple looking at the evidence, the fluid coming out from the higher ground at the

mound is beside the sphinx temple,

it doesnt suggest mound symbolism in the sphinx temple at lower ground, then all the colours.

based on what i know, tend to go with my symbolism.

if there are tombs there, it could suggest mound symbolism, i doubt its khufu.

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Oh.

But it's freely published on blogspot, so any reposting/modifying for discussion on a forum is pretty clear-cut fair use.

I was suspicious and did a little quick googling. Apparently this is the only use "EDF" in

such a context suggesting it is a French term or used improperly. Apparently "blogspot"

is software to create your own blog. I seriously doubt copyrights are given up simply be-

cause you use this type of software. Of course he knows that it will be used all over the

net (and it is) but he specifically forbids overlays and graphics added to it. I'm simply not

going to take someonme else's work and use it for my own even when his work proves my

point. Anyone can look at that picture and see the five step pyramid when they know it's

there. It took me a long time to find it but, hey, I'm an idiot and I didn't know exactly what

I was looking for. There is also a lot of distracting and confounding information on the

picture. Remember the originator mistook it for ramps and this isn't really such a stupid

error even if it might seem like it after the fact. It is reminescent of ramps and we see what

we expect far more easily than we see what is there.

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Of course I'm not important and I'm not only person who can see the five step pyramid though

I might be the first person to find it. Probably not, though, because overlays were forbidden even

before I found it and made it widely known.

There are no ramps.

Ignore the remains of ramps that have been found at Giza, IOW. Then (and only then) can this makle any sense at all.

Harte

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Anyone can look at that picture and see the five step pyramid when they know it's there.

Question: The picture is colored. Do we have to totally ignore the actual values of the scan which determined those lines?

You realize the lines are arbarary? They represent gradiants of density values, and are not Hard Lines, but to indicate general density. Like terrain lines on a map indicating the height of various features, the lines are benchmarks of density, not hard physical lines.

In order for your idea to work, the density measurements (colors) have to be ignored. And if you are going to ignore those then the whole map is meaningless. Like seeing the face of Jesus in a piece of toast.

It's a very simple device made of the materials they had in abundance.

Clad, I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering and I can say that wood would not be a strong enough material to accomplish the amount of work you are suggesting got done.

Wood on stone wears the wood down incredibly fast. This is rough stone, right? Or, did they have a mirror finished stone deliverly ramp up the side of the pyramid? Take an average piece of wood and run it back and forth over a concrete sidewalk llike 200 times and see how much wood gets worn off.

No. This doesn't work.

But they were the most important and largest and hardest to work and most expensive to provide. If I was Pharoah, I'd want a top man on the granite that was going to line my eternal home and protect my soul. The idiots directing people to drag stones would not even be on my radar.

So, did you post at all when I debunked ramps or just pretend the post didn't exist? I don't remember but clearly remember most of the points weren't challenged at all.

I pretty much post every time you say you debunked ramps, so that no newbies, or visitors here, get confused by your posting of your opinon versus the known facts.

Did you draw a five step pyramid on the gravimetric scan?

I took 20 minutes and did just that. And guess what? I drew the lines all the way across the scan to the paper edges and measured where the lines left the scan, and..... none of the lines I drew were parallel. And most of them were angled at a slight angle. Some near the base were a little wider in a clockwise manner, but the much greater majority of lines showed a greater angling toward the counter-clock-wise direction.

I just don't see what you do apparently.

Why do you think the owners of the gravimetric scan specifically forbid me to post a picturewith the five steps drawn in? They simply don't want it widely known that it's a step pyramid.

I think it is because they don't want their work being misrepresented.....

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