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Future of mankind at stake over gay marriage

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The Popes 'falseness of gender identities' is correct.

In the west psychology has been undermined by Liberal ideology. No where in psychology does it say the decision to delist homosexuality as a mental illness was taken because of psychological discoveries. It says it was delisted because of pressure from human rights groups.

Psychological trauma during childhood needs treating and its fallout shouldnt be allowed to undermine the family unit.

Yes homosexuality was described as illness in encyclopedias and cca 1980 due pressure it was remove from list of illness by USA doctors with no supporting researches.

In some countries is still treated as illness.

I try to search the research based on what they decided it isnt illness anymore. Didnt find it.

Im not saying anything but when you move something from encyclopedia you cant do it based on public opinion.

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The Popes 'falseness of gender identities' is correct.

In the west psychology has been undermined by Liberal ideology. No where in psychology does it say the decision to delist homosexuality as a mental illness was taken because of psychological discoveries. It says it was delisted because of pressure from human rights groups.

Psychological trauma during childhood needs treating and its fallout shouldnt be allowed to undermine the family unit.

I was surprised that anyone had that backwards thinking.... then I saw it was you and the surprise vanished.

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I wonder this.If gays got their rights around the globe one day would that open doors to other marriges. Such as woman and dog. Im mean they could realy love eachother. Or pedophiles? Not comparing them just asking. I heard that there is club of pedophiles in one Eu country as legal club. (Political club?)

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I was surprised that anyone had that backwards thinking.... then I saw it was you and the surprise vanished.

We have freedom of speech. Its forum. Alternative one. So whats alternative in one state in other is law. And otherway around.

Not saying that I support his view (?) but he has right to say so.

And trust me if one dont agree with Mr Right Wing is me. I think that Mr Right Wing knows why. :innocent:

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I wonder this.If gays got their rights around the globe one day would that open doors to other marriges. Such as woman and dog. Im mean they could realy love eachother. Or pedophiles? Not comparing them just asking. I heard that there is club of pedophiles in one Eu country as legal club. (Political club?)

That arguement always seems to come up and, to be honest, it's the dumbest thing I've ever heard and just comes off as scaremongerig.

You not what legalising gay rights will do? Give gay people rights. Not cause the world to end. Not open the door to pedophiles, none of that. Why people seem insistant on acting like that would happen is truly beyond me.

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Someone is going to have to explain to me why and how gay and lesbian marriage is going to undermine society. I think the only thing that undermines society is the discrimination of those who are of different gender identity.

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We have freedom of speech. Its forum. Alternative one. So whats alternative in one state in other is law. And otherway around.

Not saying that I support his view (?) but he has right to say so.

And, since we have freedom of speech, I can also call him out on his idiotic views. Or is that freedom only one way?

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1. That doesn't change the fact that a same sex couple can never have children, so the principle of male + female makes infinitely more sense.

2. In the past when it was more defined people would not get married if they did not plan to have children.

Actually, you are quite wrong. People have sex to have children. Historically speaking marriage has always been a contract between 2 parties with negotiated settlements i.e. a dowry.

Children are only one of many reasons people get married - financial (gain, security) emotional (love) society (obligation) religious.

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Someone is going to have to explain to me why and how gay and lesbian marriage is going to undermine society. I think the only thing that undermines society is the discrimination of those who are of different gender identity.

Exactly! The way some people act it's like they seem to think legalising same sex marriage means that hetrosexual marriage is suddenly illegal and same sex marriage is mandatory.

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But what about example of woman and dog. They love each other. Very much.

I mean , maybe its just me, already see Dog parade. So where is border? Or we push border as we advanced. Did progress move borders? Doubt that because Gay existed before Church or encyclopedias.

So just want to developed conversation here. Where is border?

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Children are only one of many reasons people get married - financial (gain, security) emotional (love) society (obligation) religious.

However they are most valuble reason.

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But what about example of woman and dog. They love each other. Very much.

I mean , maybe its just me, already see Dog parade. So where is border? Or we push border as we advanced. Did progress move borders? Doubt that because Gay existed before Church or encyclopedias.

So just want to developed conversation here. Where is border?

Between species maybe?

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But what about example of woman and dog. They love each other. Very much.

I mean , maybe its just me, already see Dog parade. So where is border? Or we push border as we advanced. Did progress move borders? Doubt that because Gay existed before Church or encyclopedias.

So just want to developed conversation here. Where is border?

Personally, the border to me should be that marriage is between consenting adults. Animals since they can't consent can't marry and since children are too young to give consent they shouldn't either.

I think the most important thing is the consenting part. The gender (or number) of adults involved shouldn't be the issue.

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However they are most valuble reason.

I disagree, children are valuable on their own. Marriage not required

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Between species maybe?

But you do realize that Biologists have problem defining what spicies mean?

Its term we invented. And love doenst know what spicies mean. Explain that to woman who is in love with her dog. And dog is obviously loving her.

We have also historical evidences that was something what also happened trough our history.

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I disagree, children are valuable on their own. Marriage not required

And also marrying/staying married for the kids can be a terrible reason to do so and make them worse off.

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But you do realize that Biologists have problem defining what spicies mean?

Its term we invented. And love doenst know what spicies mean. Explain that to woman who is in love with her dog. And dog is obviously loving her.

We have also historical evidences that was something what also happened trough our history.

Are you being serious?

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I disagree, children are valuable on their own. Marriage not required

On that I disagree. Children need both parrents. But thats my personal view.

Are you being serious?

Ofcourse.

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Personally, the border to me should be that marriage is between consenting adults. Animals since they can't consent can't marry and since children are too young to give consent they shouldn't either.

I think the most important thing is the consenting part. The gender (or number) of adults involved shouldn't be the issue.

Yes but age border is set by humans. Some people are not mature in 30s.

Also what about animal new research which show that animals have consciousness.

Daughter of the Nine Moon said that one of the reason for marriage can be emotions. I see that animal can have feelings. So do humans.

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If I have feeling for my sheep and sheep for me, can we marry?

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Yes but age border is set by humans. Some people are not mature in 30s.

Also what about animal new research which show that animals have consciousness.

Daughter of the Nine Moon said that one of the reason for marriage can be emotions. I see that animal can have feelings. So do humans.

You're right, some people aren't mature until their 30s. The key word being some. Should we change the age of consent up for everyone for those people?

I do think animals do have a consciousness on some level and that they do have emotions. Note I've never said a person ad animal can't form a relationship, nor have I condemned it. But an animal isn't a human, they can't consent.

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they can't consent.

I saw dogs could show with their animal pidgins many things. So as dolphins.

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The L, I am having a difficult time believing you are being serious and not being intentionally provoking.

You are equating gay marriage to bestiality?

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I saw dogs could show with their animal pidgins many things. So as dolphins.

They can be trained to do thse things, that's not consent.

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