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M I only person here who was told that al Qaida done this?

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Knowing some person which sit on opposite side of table I can already tell this will be interesting debate.

I see Helen took side and since she is a smart woman and I really like to hear her thoughts why she took that side. Aswell of those who press like button on OP.

Because I think that Syrians must solved they problems between themselves. Sit on table and talk. Decide what they want. And when others start to involve you get what you get. Others starts to involve.On both sides.

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i personally don't Blame Russia for vetoing 3 times against a foreign military intervention (and i might be awfully wrong), becouse the same amount (if not more) of people Killed/injured that took more than 2 years now, it could've happened within two weeks or so, beside a possible complete destruction of the army, that if the army didn't beat the nato or at least make Bashar seem like a hero even if he die... but i blame Russia for continuing to support Bashar even until now, after witnessing his deeds.

but at least now the syrians own the revelution, and have build the freedom notion by them selves and not enforced on them, but Russia surly should stop supporting a dictator.

But you not blame support of terrorists to FSA after witnessung their deeds? Is life of Syrians worth more then life of US citizens ?

al Qaida done some bad things but now they are helping us so they are good guys but Assad killing Syrians. Forgeting that those little bad things were actually living persons who also breed till moment al Qaida crashed airplanes full of living people into buildings full of citizens. Obviously it doesnt matter to you. Or it does. Im confused of your view.

Why dont you think that USA should stop supporting al Qaida and FSA?

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You waffle on quite a lot without actually making any sense at all.

Just because you can’t understand it, doesn’t mean the sense isn’t there.

I don't think there are good or bad dictators. It's quite black and white for me, you either have good or bad intentions. Simple. FSA have bad intentions, and i feel the consequence of al Qaida taking Syria is in my book far worse than if Assad continues, don't you?

No. No one has ever, since Big Bang, had pure good or pure bad intentions. There’s no black and white, people are not either salt either pepper, we are all mixtures. Each moment calls for certain mixture.

The way I see it, Assad is more pepper than the will of Syrian people. It’s up to them to decide who they will support. Then they’ll say if their choice was more salt or more pepper.

Now, morality, philosophy and other crap aside:

It’s not al Qaida, and even if it was, al Qaida is entirely US project.

If Assad continues far worse will happen: actual Russian military presence in Mediterranean will be proven as justified and useful. And where you give Russians a finger, they rip your arm off and beat you over the head with it.

It looks like both you and L are completely oblivious of nature of current Russian regime.

You are ****en siding with Russians, you little... ah. Never mind. You, luckily, make no decisions.

L, you are spamming. Stop it. Boil your thoughts down in a post, wait for response and learn to make humanoid discussion already or you’ll be doomed to eternal ignoring.

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Knowing some person which sit on opposite side of table I can already tell this will be interesting debate.

I see Helen took side and since she is a smart woman and I really like to hear her thoughts why she took that side. Aswell of those who press like button on OP.

Because I think that Syrians must solved they problems between themselves. Sit on table and talk. Decide what they want. And when others start to involve you get what you get. Others starts to involve.On both sides.

Too late now, everyone's involved now, Russia, Iran, Turkey, Jordan, USA, UK, France, Germany and then Kurds who have hardly been mentioned at all so far.. Also the Venezuelans sending shipments of fuel

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M I only person here who was told that al Qaida done this?

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Why have you posted this?? it's not wanted here, it's about Syria not USA...

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Hi the-Unexpected-Soul!

Im sorry about war in your country. I hope you and your family are well.

And sorry to say this but Im under impression that rebels are bad guys.

That they are payed and trained by CIA and France.

I just think that what happened in Libya was wrong so I would not just want to you that same scenario happened in Syria.

well first of all the FSA doesn't really get arms or training from any one, and if they received them it's in very small amounts

also they don't have real bases they are scattered all over syria and they are either civilians who decided to fight the regime or deflects from the military, the weapons they use are either from the captured military bases or home made by them, like you see in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqWhpzur2KU

I have two questions.

Why rebels and officals dont sit on table and try to solve things?

Is it true that Iran army is active in Syria?

because of so many crimes committed by the regime and the rebels afraid that if they stopped rebelling, they will be hunted down and killed later,

and for iran, they officially say that they don't want to involve, but there is some people who saw Iranian soldiers inside Syria, officially both Syria and Iran say their is no Iranian soldiers

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Why have you posted this?? it's not wanted here, it's about Syria not USA...

I think the point L's trying to make is the FSA has Al Qaeda helping them, Al Qaeda's said to have committed the 9/11 attacks (I word it this way because some people don't think they were involved, so I'll remain neutral), thus, if the US and other Western nations help the FSA, they're also helping Al Qaeda. This means no matter what anyone does, everyone's dirty, innocent people are dying.

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Hi, Hasina.

Don’t get me wrong, the rant below is not directed at you, I appreciate your attempt to explain... that.

So, anyone who has ever touched an al Qaida member is somehow magically turned into Muslim vampire or something?

Just because in all the confusion there’s also the al Qaida prowling around is not an excuse to let whole nation down, or let mad dictator keep throwing bombs on civilians.

Certain amount of religious nuttery goes with each national “spring”.

It was the same over here, where we got turbo-Catholicism with national liberation. It’s annoying, but it gradually goes away if people are not desperate. If they are desperate, then all kinds of extreme lunacies start to happen.

Supporting Assad, by bringing tankers of diesel for his tanks, for example, will not stop al Qaida. It will prolong the war, multiply suffering and thus make ideal nurturing ground for extremism.

And that diesel hasn’t been brought out of compassion, it was brought to help brute Russian imperialist force take its hold in Mediterranean, for blind god’s sake.

That’s why I’m annoyed out of my socks with western salon left. Why are they so in love with Russian imperialism? Because today’s monster of the most brutal capitalism, Russia, once used to have quasi-socialist regime? What century you’re living in, folks?

By the way, head of Syrian Military Police, general Abdelasis Jassim al-Shalal has joined the rebels. He said the army turned into gang of murderers and destroyers. Why is his Syrian word less credible than Russian propaganda to some people?

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Your Russophobia lessens your arguments about Syria. Perhaps you are still mad that some Cossacks, completely without government sanction, fought for Serbs. Yet of course it is okay for Germany to give Croatia financial and military aid? It is no secret that German and US generals were directing operations in Krajina against Serbs. However, it is the past. Perhaps you will remove blindfold and see the present a bit clearer without this anti Russian hysteria. Odd that nobody mentions China in regard to vetos, but then theres not so much pleasure as writing very tiresome anti Russian propaganda. I wait to see what is next, perhaps Russia blamed for crucifiction, the black death, eruption of Krakatoa, seven plagues of Egypt etc etc.....

Russia wants to keep the naval base at Tartus, it is no secret, in is in national interest to have a base in mediteranean, this has been long term desire for centuries. Can not Russia look to it's national interests? and what is Syria to you? you have no interests there, yet you take sides seemingly on basis of what you see on TV or youtube. When you see Russian planes bombing civilians in Syria, or spetsnaz in action other than to defend the base at Tartus, then perhaps you can complain, but none of these things has happened, or is likely to. And your comments about diesel are conjecture, please show proof of where this diesel is before making things up.

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Your Russophobia lessens your arguments about Syria. Perhaps you are still mad that some Cossacks, completely without government sanction, fought for Serbs. Yet of course it is okay for Germany to give Croatia financial and military aid? It is no secret that German and US generals were directing operations in Krajina against Serbs. However, it is the past.

Even if that was true, they apparently did better job than your pilots flying MIGs for Milosevic, dropping bombs at me. Thank you so much, brothers. But I agree, let it be past.

Perhaps you will remove blindfold and see the present a bit clearer without this anti Russian hysteria. Odd that nobody mentions China in regard to vetos, but then theres not so much pleasure as writing very tiresome anti Russian propaganda.

I’m not worried with China, I have you between me and them.

I wait to see what is next, perhaps Russia blamed for crucifiction, the black death, eruption of Krakatoa, seven plagues of Egypt etc etc.....

I don’t need to go any further than Russian tanks squashing civilians in East European countries, or being directly responsible for Serbization of ex-Yugoslavia, since 1944.

Russia wants to keep the naval base at Tartus, it is no secret, in is in national interest to have a base in mediteranean, this has been long term desire for centuries. Can not Russia look to it's national interests?

You will keep it without that evil clown of Assad. Also, national interests are better kept if national arrogance is not getting in the way.

and what is Syria to you? you have no interests there, yet you take sides seemingly on basis of what you see on TV or youtube. When you see Russian planes bombing civilians in Syria, or spetsnaz in action other than to defend the base at Tartus, then perhaps you can complain, but none of these things has happened, or is likely to.

No interests, but I have friends of friends. My people who went there speak very well of Syrians and Syrians are in a position very similar to our position back in the 1990s. Enough for me. I don’t need to expect any gain from someone in order to sympathize with them.

And your comments about diesel are conjecture, please show proof of where this diesel is before making things up.

Not only the diesel is already in Assad’s tanks, but also Hugo Chavez felt inspired to send some more :lol: He’s ****en competing with you :lol: Poor evil clown. Another one. The world is full of them.

Source of diesel story: www.spiegel.de

:lol:

I was *this* close to liking your post. You're a true refreshment.

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I think the point L's trying to make is the FSA has Al Qaeda helping them, Al Qaeda's said to have committed the 9/11 attacks (I word it this way because some people don't think they were involved, so I'll remain neutral), thus, if the US and other Western nations help the FSA, they're also helping Al Qaeda. This means no matter what anyone does, everyone's dirty, innocent people are dying.

You do realize they are other terrorist attacks other than on the USA?

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You do realize they are other terrorist attacks other than on the USA?

Assad will be the first to tell us all that; he's fighting them off every day.

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Assad will be the first to tell us all that; he's fighting them off every day.

I dont see our fellow members terrorists from Syria....

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I don’t need to go any further than Russian tanks squashing civilians in East European countries, or being directly responsible for Serbization of ex-Yugoslavia, since 1944.

You never heard of Soviet Union? you never heard of Warsaw Pact? you never heard about the Georgian Djugashvili? or the Ukranian Khrushchev? or the Croat Tito? you, and others, never going to stop confusing Soviet Union with Russia?

And because you heard rumours of Russians flying aircraft for Milosevic or you read something in media does not make them true. I think most of your other points were wrong or simply opinion. And as for China, well, nobody can tell the future, but if China were so stupid as to invade Russia, then you will not want to be living when that happens, as there will be so much radioactive dust circling the planet to make live difficult...

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You do realize they are other terrorist attacks other than on the USA?

I do, but I was pointing out what L meant. Also, I did say 'the US and other Western nations'.

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I do, but I was pointing out what L meant. Also, I did say 'the US and other Western nations'.

I see and yes I misread that

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You never heard of Soviet Union? you never heard of Warsaw Pact? you never heard about the Georgian Djugashvili? or the Ukranian Khrushchev? or the Croat Tito? you, and others, never going to stop confusing Soviet Union with Russia?

And because you heard rumours of Russians flying aircraft for Milosevic or you read something in media does not make them true. I think most of your other points were wrong or simply opinion. And as for China, well, nobody can tell the future, but if China were so stupid as to invade Russia, then you will not want to be living when that happens, as there will be so much radioactive dust circling the planet to make live difficult...

I never was confusing Russia with Soviet Union. It was called Union, but it was Russian empire with quasi-communist tsar-like figure on top and slightly different rhetoric.

It was never Pact, it was occupation.

It’s was never Djugashvili alone, he could do **** without support from people. And Croat Tito was the only man who said "no" to him and survived :P

China... yes, I know. God forbid.

But we are both derailing the thread here.

I said what I had to say for now, about Syria, and you better don’t say anything more :lol: Kidding. You’re at least honest about your views.

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there is defections of the regime army every day, many of them join the fsa, it's a matter of time i suppose, the fsa started with nothing, mostly civilians with no weapons, how ever they'v been advancing steadily, and are gaining weapons from the captured Military barrack, so the power is balancing, but still the regime has the air force which is a real problem, and even if the fsa captured planes, i don't know if they will be able to use them, plus there is the most complex anti aircraft system installed all over Syria (due to number of weapons over a relatively small area ) so it's a dangerous territory, (unless if the radars are shut down maybe) but i'm counting on the common sense of the people who will understand that it's worthless to fight for assad, hopefully this will speed things up

A leader who turns on his own people is not a leader but a dictator. Shame on an army that turns against its own people whom they are supposed to protect. The should remember that their families are civilians and they are not the enemy.

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and you better don’t say anything more :lol: Kidding. You’re at least honest about your views.

Then we should not drop the ball, any of us :)

http://youtu.be/AMbNEPxc4lQ

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Ne uronite Šarik – literally: Do not drop the little globe.

(Šar being the globe, the Earth... I'm sparing people some battle with translators :lol: )

Now get back on topic.

Correction: not dropping the ball is the topic.

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@all

This is totaly offtopic so no need for others to read it. Its personal.

L, you are spamming. Stop it. Boil your thoughts down in a post, wait for response and learn to make humanoid discussion already or you’ll be doomed to eternal ignoring.

Wow. To tell you the truth this is surprising. It doesnt sound like you at all. Atleast nothing I read from you. I always respect you because you are fluent in English, wide range of words, because you are always right and tell how you feel and didnt scared that you will get brain tumor from thinking.

But this time you showes many characteristics which Im not going to named them for the sake of old times.

I even tried to ignore you malicious note and to respond on your post but when I notice it again I deleted my post previous post and start re writting what you will read or not read.

This kind of posts I usualy ignore and in future ignore that person but because it is you, I will betrayed my codex.

Zero point is that I didnt spam at all. I try to catch up with discussion. I adress it to you in post 21 on which you could answerd.Ofcourse if you wanted to be civil, polite, easygoing and friendly. Yet you showed no manners. Only outbursts of emotions. So I advice to you that you learn to control your emotions. I dont know maybe you have personal problems. If that is a case Im sorry.

First of all Helen its obvious that you dont know what are you talking about yet you think you can give people lectures. Sadly for you, you cant. Because to give lectures you must know thread you spoke about. You obviously dont know. So you just took side and called us else Russian dolls in a sense.

Well I could also named you and others with who I dont agree- terrorists. But I wont. Its wrong. You have problems with Russians.

And you only know reason why. I dont have problems with anyone except malicious and rediculous notation like your above.

Second, Im patient and calm person. I know how to wait. I dont loose nerves. Im having humanoid discussion it is you who loose nerves. You are well known for doing that but often you did that after a few pages when you notice that you loosing debate. I dont know is this sign that you already think that you loose debate for some reason.

Third. If you want to put me on etrnal ignore do it. After post you wrote in this thread you will not be missed at all.

Ofcourse this all can change. Where there's a will there's a way. If you know what I mean.

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Why have you posted this?? it's not wanted here, it's about Syria not USA...

It isnt wanted here because you like your utopian view. So anything which can hurt your Utopia isnt welcome. I understand. Sadly for you this picture has many things with Syria.

Allow me to inform you that 9/11 was done by al Qaida. Second that USA invaded Iraq and Afghanistan because their regimes being connected with al Qaida. Then suddenly we have situation where Hilary and USA are working with al Qaida to help them take Syria.

Too late now, everyone's involved now, Russia, Iran, Turkey, Jordan, USA, UK, France, Germany and then Kurds who have hardly been mentioned at all so far.. Also the Venezuelans sending shipments of fuel

Ofcourse. Because from the start it was international war not civil war. Go check when FSA was formed or when Kurds in Syria organized themselves.

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well first of all the FSA doesn't really get arms or training from any one, and if they received them it's in very small amounts.

Only very small amounts? Thats not what Im reading. Also finnancal help for FSA was proudly announce by Hilary.

Are you telling that USA, UK and France not helping FSA?

also they don't have real bases they are scattered all over syria and they are either civilians who decided to fight the regime or deflects from the military, the weapons they use are either from the captured military bases or home made by them, like you see in this video

Dont tell. Maybe their base is in Israel? Isnt Syria Israel enemy? Or perhaps in Turkey? wait a minute isnt Turkey recently attack Syria? Isnt Turkey friend of USA? Isnt Turkey enemy of Russia? Isnt in Turkey placed USA rockets? Just my thought.

Please dont get me wrong Im trying to understand your view. Can you please tell me whats your stance on:

1.al Qiada

2.Hamas

because of so many crimes committed by the regime and the rebels afraid that if they stopped rebelling, they will be hunted down and killed later,

and for iran, they officially say that they don't want to involve, but there is some people who saw Iranian soldiers inside Syria, officially both Syria and Iran say their is no Iranian soldiers

Awww...poor guys are scared. Imagine that. So they dont know how to sent a message now? Negotiations can be done while war is raging or when is truce. Scared to talk but not scared to shoot.

Sorry for cynic tone but as you may notice I already took side and thats NOT FSA.

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I think the point L's trying to make is the FSA has Al Qaeda helping them, Al Qaeda's said to have committed the 9/11 attacks (I word it this way because some people don't think they were involved, so I'll remain neutral), thus, if the US and other Western nations help the FSA, they're also helping Al Qaeda. This means no matter what anyone does, everyone's dirty, innocent people are dying.

That is point. Im sorry Madrid and ETA but term Dirty war will be taken.

USA as main protagonist, then followed by UK and France are making fun of us all.

And when I think on USA UK and France I dont mean on common people. I mean on elite. Financial,oil,weapon industry,pharma elite plus CIA and Mossad.

Poor Americans died in Twin towers from al Qaida now their same goverment help those b*******.

Things are even worst. They sent young Americans to die in Iraq and Afghanistan because al Qaida.

And now same goverment working with those terrorists.

Those FSA are Syrians which dont know for who they fighting for. They are against Assad but for who? For helping hand called al Qaida?

I nicely asked question to OP, ...Is life of Syrian worth more then life of US citizen...which he kindly ignored.

Im not buying Syrian rebels at all.

As I said many times things becoming funny. Sad but true.

Russians in fact saving US soldiers lifes for voting NO on international attack on Assad. And China too.

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