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Have any of you in the US seen this show airing on the History Channel? I caught wind of it over the weekend and it seems to be about a one man crusade to change the way history is recorded about the United States. I'm sure this sort of thing is done elsewhere. I think the subject of the episode I briefly watched was about a Mayan presence in Northern Georgia.

Anyway, I was just wondering what the general opinion of this show is. Thanks! :tu:

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Cant say I have but Ive seen a lot of good shows on those channels. Cant say I watch much TV anymore with all the commercials.

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Have any of you in the US seen this show airing on the History Channel? I caught wind of it over the weekend and it seems to be about a one man crusade to change the way history is recorded about the United States. I'm sure this sort of thing is done elsewhere. I think the subject of the episode I briefly watched was about a Mayan presence in Northern Georgia.

Anyway, I was just wondering what the general opinion of this show is. Thanks! :tu:

I haven't watched the documentary, but I've read about the topic. Mayan presence in Georgia:

http://blog.donquijote.org/2011/12/mayan-ruins-really-found-in-northern-georgia-usa

And I have thought for a long time now that it were the Chontal Maya who settled there:

The precocious Chontal Maya/Itza centered in the northern Yucatan were far ahead of

their contemporary neighbors in the arts and science including writing, mathematics, and public

architecture (Peck 2000:6-22). This study will show that the seafaring and mercantile oriented

Chontal Maya were also a worldly element of the Maya civilization who traveled and spread

their cultural influence not only throughout continental Mesoamerica, but ventured across the

seas in exploration voyages to the islands of the Caribbean and to the shores of Florida.

Consistent with this accomplishment, the Chontal Maya had developed naval engineering,

metallurgy, tool design, and woodworking and ship building capabilities that enabled them to

construct the large composite seaworthy vessels required. Their accomplishments in mathematics

and astronomy also enabled the Chontal Maya to develop a sophisticated method of celestial

navigation for their overseas voyages.

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The winged and plumed rattlesnake emblem shown so profusely in Chontal Maya/Itza art

(figures 1, 2, 7, 8, 9, 10) also appears in prehistoric art of the Indians of northern Florida and

southern Georgia. The art style depicting the rattlesnake emblems understandably differs

between these two widely separated peoples. But the unique features of wings, feathers, and plumed topknot as applied to the rattlesnake emblem is common to both art forms.

http://www.newworldexplorersinc.org/MayaSeafarers.pdf

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very interesting Abramelin, i like this bit from your linked PDF : "This discussion of prehistoric Indian mounds has been centered on the Florida Indians, with emphasis on the Calusa, as geographically the nearest and most probable point of contact. However, it should be noted that similar prehistoric mound building was practiced by Indians who peopled the Mississippi drainage plain (consequently known as the Mississippian culture) as far north as Illinois and Ohio (Swanton 1946). The current consensus is that the Mississippian mound building preceded that of the mound builders in Florida, but this study suggests that the first mounds, influenced by the Maya, were built by the Calusa and the mound building culture moved north at a later date. As noted earlier this agrees with Sears s (1982) findings that the cultivation of maize first appeared in the Calusa area then moved north to the Mississippi plain. "

... here are examples of Mississipian platform mound post-86645-0-32805600-1356563642_thumb.j and early Mayan platform mound post-86645-0-31394400-1356563558_thumb.j

Pretty similar huh?

might as well add link:

http://www.examiner....ya-architecture

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So the Maya collapsed around 1000 AD, then moved to Georgia and disappeared Again before Europeans started showing up in ernest in the 16th century? Possible, I guess, but I'd like to see a lot more data points. Any small time artifacts or structures could be the result of a single traveler, or a family of travelers.

Uhhhhh.... Watched the video clip about Finding the Maya in Georgia off the America Unearthed site and the background music made it almost unwatchable. Very LOUD.

From the video.... "On our last pass... I saw some bare rock... Toward the top of the mountain. Could that be Mayan ruins??...."

Uhhhh..... If there is going to be bare rock, it will be at the top of the mountain....

http://www.history.com/shows/america-unearthed

The host is kind of a Fringe author/scientist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_F._Wolter

He is convinced that the Kennsington Runestone is a real artifact and that it was put there by the Templars and that basically Columbus came looking for it.

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http://www.epa.gov/gmpo/edresources/miss.html

Mississippian Cultures (900 AD to 1,700 AD)

The Mississippian Culture was the dominant culture during this period in what is now the eastern United States. It's origins are probably about 900 to 1,000 AD, and remnants of their culture survived to the time of the early French explorers in the late seventh century.

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very interesting Abramelin, i like this bit from your linked PDF : "This discussion of prehistoric Indian mounds has been centered on the Florida Indians, with emphasis on the Calusa, as geographically the nearest and most probable point of contact. However, it should be noted that similar prehistoric mound building was practiced by Indians who peopled the Mississippi drainage plain (consequently known as the Mississippian culture) as far north as Illinois and Ohio (Swanton 1946). The current consensus is that the Mississippian mound building preceded that of the mound builders in Florida, but this study suggests that the first mounds, influenced by the Maya, were built by the Calusa and the mound building culture moved north at a later date. As noted earlier this agrees with Sears s (1982) findings that the cultivation of maize first appeared in the Calusa area then moved north to the Mississippi plain. "

... here are examples of Mississipian platform mound post-86645-0-32805600-1356563642_thumb.j and early Mayan platform mound post-86645-0-31394400-1356563558_thumb.j

Pretty similar huh?

might as well add link:

http://www.examiner....ya-architecture

Yes, you'd think these Chontal Maya did spread their culture that far north. I don't know why that should be a big thing: there is proof these Chontal Maya traded with and settled on every coast of the Caribbean and its islands.

If they settled in Florida or traded with Florida, Georgia is not that far away.

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So the Maya collapsed around 1000 AD, then moved to Georgia and disappeared Again before Europeans started showing up in ernest in the 16th century? Possible, I guess, but I'd like to see a lot more data points. Any small time artifacts or structures could be the result of a single traveler, or a family of travelers.

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The Maya culture collapsed ages earlier it is now thought, like in the 7th century CE:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Maya_collapse

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Yes, you'd think these Chontal Maya did spread their culture that far north. I don't know why that should be a big thing: there is proof these Chontal Maya traded with and settled on every coast of the Caribbean and its islands.

If they settled in Florida or traded with Florida, Georgia is not that far away.

right... it's connected to Florida and the Atlantic Coast. Everybody came from somewhere..they are all connected... we just give them different names for different time periods and areas of occupation? I'm pretty sure no one called themselves "mississipians".

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right... it's connected to Florida and the Atlantic Coast. Everybody came from somewhere..they are all connected... we just give them different names for different time periods and areas of occupation? I'm pretty sure no one called themselves "mississipians".

These Chontal Maya have an interesting name:

The Chontal Maya are an indigenous people of the Mexican state of Tabasco. "Chontal", from the Nahuatl word for chontalli, which means "foreigner", has been applied to various ethnic groups in Mexico. The Chontal refer to themselves as the Yokot'anob or the Yokot'an, meaning "the speakers of Yoko ochoco", but writers about them refer to them as the Chontal of Centla, the Tabasco Chontal, or in Spanish, Chontales. They consider themselves the descendants of the Olmecs, and are not related to the Oaxacan Chontal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chontal_Maya_people

"The Chontal refer to themselves as the Yokot'anob or the Yokot'an, meaning "the speakers of Yoko ochoco", but writers about them refer to them as the Chontal of Centla."

Does that resemble any name of a tribe in Florida or Georgia that you know of, Lightly?

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I have no problem with going back and reexamining history. I do have a problem if you go into it thinking 'everything that's been told is wrong, thus it's worthless', and then goes off on their own half-baked theories because it's not the 'official' version of history, and that makes it okay, because, ya know, conspiracy~

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I have no problem with going back and reexamining history. I do have a problem if you go into it thinking 'everything that's been told is wrong, thus it's worthless', and then goes off on their own half-baked theories because it's not the 'official' version of history, and that makes it okay, because, ya know, conspiracy~

But no one did in this thread, not yet that is.

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Yes, Hasina, that's exactly the attitude of this forensic geologist. In his mind, everything we've been taught must be thrown out the window as false only on his word. Don't think this is the type of show I want to watch. And last time I looked, Indiana Jones was an archaeologist, not a forensic geologist.

But no one did in this thread, not yet that is.

She's referring to the television show, which is the topic of the thread.

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But no one did in this thread, not yet that is.

True, no one in the thread has. I blame my paranoia towards the History Channel and the 'reexamining' on that Ancient Aliens show. Where, for them, 'reexamining' means, 'aliens did it'.

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True, no one in the thread has. I blame my paranoia towards the History Channel and the 'reexamining' on that Ancient Aliens show. Where, for them, 'reexamining' means, 'aliens did it'.

I live in the Netherlands, and I think I should feel happy about not seeing any History Channel 'documentary' on my tv.

Of course I have watched HC videos on YouTube, and I just can't believe there are people truely stupid enough to gobble up all the drivel they are exposed to by watching HC.

OK, they make a captivating story, but my old and long dead father could make up things like that. And I believed him... when I was 7 years old or something.

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I thought it was most interesting when this first came out that all of the archeologists yip yapped in unison - Not true, we never found the simalarity of language before. Well guys did you ever think that the language similarities were found by a professor who just happened to be a Native American Crow and who just happened to be translating Mayan text. I wonder if it ever dawned on them those two abilities in an archeolgy professor didn't happen every day?

Their second yap was Mayans couldn't have made it to Georgia. I believe Thor Heyerdahl proved the Egyptians could have made it to the Americas in their reed boats - and they dont'think the Mayans could have made to Georgia?

I have a good friend who is active in her Native American culture and when I sent her the first article, her response was, "Well we have always known that, anyone can see the similarities in the snake monuments, etc. It just seems no one ever thought to ask the Native Americans what they see. Typical.

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These Chontal Maya have an interesting name:

The Chontal Maya are an indigenous people of the Mexican state of Tabasco. "Chontal", from the Nahuatl word for chontalli, which means "foreigner", has been applied to various ethnic groups in Mexico. The Chontal refer to themselves as the Yokot'anob or the Yokot'an, meaning "the speakers of Yoko ochoco", but writers about them refer to them as the Chontal of Centla, the Tabasco Chontal, or in Spanish, Chontales. They consider themselves the descendants of the Olmecs, and are not related to the Oaxacan Chontal.

http://en.wikipedia....tal_Maya_people

"The Chontal refer to themselves as the Yokot'anob or the Yokot'an, meaning "the speakers of Yoko ochoco", but writers about them refer to them as the Chontal of Centla."

Does that resemble any name of a tribe in Florida or Georgia that you know of, Lightly?

Not that i know of Abramelin. i found this list of Florida tribes that names these :

Native American Tribes in Florida Bibliography

Ais Apalachee Calusa Creek Miccosukee Seminole Timucua Yemassee

http://dlis.dos.stat...rican_bib.cfm

But i think it's interesting that "The Chontal refer to themselves as the Yokot'anob or the Yokot'an, meaning "the speakers of Yoko ochoco" Yokot'an / Yucatan ??? (as in the peninsula on the Gulf of Mexico sticking out into the carribean and part of Olmec territory) is the similarity of the words just a meaningless coincidence?? I dunno, it just caught my eye.

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If Inca could burried tresure in Oak Island well why not? :santa:

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Not that i know of Abramelin. i found this list of Florida tribes that names these :

Native American Tribes in Florida Bibliography

Ais Apalachee Calusa Creek Miccosukee Seminole Timucua Yemassee

http://dlis.dos.stat...rican_bib.cfm

But i think it's interesting that "The Chontal refer to themselves as the Yokot'anob or the Yokot'an, meaning "the speakers of Yoko ochoco" Yokot'an / Yucatan ??? (as in the peninsula on the Gulf of Mexico sticking out into the carribean and part of Olmec territory) is the similarity of the words just a meaningless coincidence?? I dunno, it just caught my eye.

Put your hands over your ears and eyes and behave - Listen to the modern archeologists who have already discovered all there is to know! Please don't bother them with any new facts ! Edited by Duncansmom

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Put your hands over your ears and eyes and behave - Listen to the modern archeologists who have already discovered all there is to know! Please don't bother them with any new facts !

haha, i'm not misbehaving, much .. or claiming facts. I just like things that tickle my curiosity.

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Not that i know of Abramelin. i found this list of Florida tribes that names these :

Native American Tribes in Florida Bibliography

Ais Apalachee Calusa Creek Miccosukee Seminole Timucua Yemassee

http://dlis.dos.stat...rican_bib.cfm

But i think it's interesting that "The Chontal refer to themselves as the Yokot'anob or the Yokot'an, meaning "the speakers of Yoko ochoco" Yokot'an / Yucatan ??? (as in the peninsula on the Gulf of Mexico sticking out into the carribean and part of Olmec territory) is the similarity of the words just a meaningless coincidence?? I dunno, it just caught my eye.

Yes, their name is the origin of the name Yucatan. The Chontal Maya lived there.

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that seems cool.

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Yes, their name is the origin of the name Yucatan. The Chontal Maya lived there.

ah thanks, and they say they are descended from the Olmec.. so it all fits.

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I just watched.the.2 episodes.....I lik.e what Ive seen so far. Its funny though I tried to go to the hosts wiki page and it was deleted yesterday

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Have any of you in the US seen this show airing on the History Channel? I caught wind of it over the weekend and it seems to be about a one man crusade to change the way history is recorded about the United States. I'm sure this sort of thing is done elsewhere. I think the subject of the episode I briefly watched was about a Mayan presence in Northern Georgia.

Anyway, I was just wondering what the general opinion of this show is. Thanks! :tu:

I was one of the researchers that appeared in this episode. (I was the one talking about the forsyth petroglyph, eagle dancer, spiral mound, and ocmulgee earth lodge.)

A lot of information didn't make it into the show due to time constraints. If you'd like to see my research on the Forsyth Petroglyph as well as the Mayan connection to the Forsyth Petroglyph, read my research here:

http://lostworlds.or...yth_petroglyph/

http://lostworlds.or...yth-petroglyph/

Read my research on the archaeoastronomy of the Ocmulgee Earth Lodge:

http://lostworlds.or...e-earth-lodge/

You can learn more about the Ocmulgee Mounds site and other ancient Native American civilizations of Georgia here:

http://lostworlds.or...ons-of-georgia/

And you can read more of my research on the Mayan connection to Georgia and the rest of America here:

http://www.MayaInAmerica.com

http://lostworlds.org/category/maya-in-america/

I'll try to go through this thread and answer any questions that I can.

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