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Otto von Pickelhaube

Cristina Kirchner is back again

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I think the islands are part of our territory

Well, what you think doesn't matter. In fact, what you think is WRONG. The Falklands are NOT Argentine terrirory. They are a British overseas territory and the British settled the islands before Argentina even existed and before Argentina's Spanish founders did.

Argentina has no legitimate claim to the Falklands.

the UK in its imperial era have the habit of taking territories here and there (heck, they tried to invade Buenos Aires twice, both time repelled).

You seem to forget that Argentina itself wouldn't have existed had the Spanish in their imperial era not had the habit of invading and taking the lands of the Native Americans in South America.

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Meh this is just an attempt to distract people from Argentine's bad economy. Nothing will come of it. Until the next time Kirchner needs to try and trick her voters from seeing the bad job she's doing.

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Meh this is just an attempt to distract people from Argentine's bad economy. Nothing will come of it. Until the next time Kirchner needs to try and trick her voters from seeing the bad job she's doing.

I agree on the surface but we thought the same last time, we thought the same in 1977. - we now know the Argies had plans to invade the Falklands. it wasn't until 1981 with Galtieri rise to power - and it was agreed an invasion would take place within two years, they planned for an invasion once the British removed the patrol ship 'Endurance'

they planned for an invasion late in the year when the winter conditions in the South Atlantic would make the British re-taking the islands impossible. the (argies) plans come unstuck with the incident with the scrap metal workers when we sent in marines to remove them. this forced the hand of the argies to invade sooner. and the rest is history as they say.

But remember this all happened with the backdrop of Social unrest in Argentina. The unpopular budget cuts and economic situation made the Juntas position unclear, much of what happened then we can see happening today.

If we read the report after the Falklands War by the UK government we'll find the Foreign Office expected Argentina to take Three steps before invasion if at all, as regards to the Falklands - step 1 - was to go to the UN, step 2 - was to use economic force, IE blocking supply routes, cutting off oil supplies, sea links etc... 3 - was military action.

If you think to the present day - Step 1✔ They have been to the UN. - Step 2 ✔ they have directly disrupted the Falklands economy, by stopping cruise ships, targeting fishing vessels, and oil exploration etc... - This is why we should learn from our mistakes and not allow step 3. however unlikely. their armed forces in 1982 had budget cuts, but they made sure their Navy/Airforce had acquired the new Exocet missles and the French Etendard. we planned to send a task force before 1982 to send a warning but because then - like today its costs an arm and a leg to divert ships, and cancel NATO operations. but if i was the UK Government i'd send two Frigates and one of the new Type 45 destroyers, with possibly a Sub. regardless of the cost. if we learn from history we wont repeat the mistakes.

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I agree on the surface but we thought the same last time, we thought the same in 1977. - we now know the Argies had plans to invade the Falklands. it wasn't until 1981 with Galtieri rise to power - and it was agreed an invasion would take place within two years, they planned for an invasion once the British removed the patrol ship 'Endurance'

they planned for an invasion late in the year when the winter conditions in the South Atlantic would make the British re-taking the islands impossible. the (argies) plans come unstuck with the incident with the scrap metal workers when we sent in marines to remove them. this forced the hand of the argies to invade sooner. and the rest is history as they say.

But remember this all happened with the backdrop of Social unrest in Argentina. The unpopular budget cuts and economic situation made the Juntas position unclear, much of what happened then we can see happening today.

If we read the report after the Falklands War by the UK government we'll find the Foreign Office expected Argentina to take Three steps before invasion if at all, as regards to the Falklands - step 1 - was to go to the UN, step 2 - was to use economic force, IE blocking supply routes, cutting off oil supplies, sea links etc... 3 - was military action.

If you think to the present day - Step 1✔ They have been to the UN. - Step 2 ✔ they have directly disrupted the Falklands economy, by stopping cruise ships, targeting fishing vessels, and oil exploration etc... - This is why we should learn from our mistakes and not allow step 3. however unlikely. their armed forces in 1982 had budget cuts, but they made sure their Navy/Airforce had acquired the new Exocet missles and the French Etendard. we planned to send a task force before 1982 to send a warning but because then - like today its costs an arm and a leg to divert ships, and cancel NATO operations. but if i was the UK Government i'd send two Frigates and one of the new Type 45 destroyers, with possibly a Sub. regardless of the cost. if we learn from history we wont repeat the mistakes.

[step4] Wait for a British government to come to power whose sole obsession is cutting the armed forces as much as they possibly can. Cameroon would really only have himself to blame if they did try something, seeing that he's done exactly what the great Maggie did as soon as she came to power (she was going to sell Invincible to Australia, I believe; he's gone one better by scrapping them already). People forget now just how much Mrs. T encouraged them to try something by her mania for cost-cutting.

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[step4] Wait for a British government to come to power whose sole obsession is cutting the armed forces as much as they possibly can. Cameroon would really only have himself to blame if they did try something, seeing that he's done exactly what the great Maggie did as soon as she came to power (she was going to sell Invincible to Australia, I believe; he's gone one better by scrapping them already). People forget now just how much Mrs. T encouraged them to try something by her mania for cost-cutting.

The danger for the Argies is cutbacks will leave only one thing.

Nuclear Weapons!

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I cant remember the date but in the near future the Falkland Islanders according to the prime minister are going to hold a referendum on their relationship with us.

It's in March.

A group of Falkland Islanders calling themselves Falklands United have written a letter to Kirchner: ‘We look forward to our referendum in March and failure on your part to accept the outcome will prove to the world that there is only one colonial power in the region.’

The letter added: ‘We have never been prouder of our association with the United Kingdom and our unique relationship. Any decision to change that would be OUR and not YOUR choice.’

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The danger for the Argies is cutbacks will leave only one thing.

Nuclear Weapons!

:rolleyes:

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Argentina nuclear weapons? thats like the Vatican having a tank

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It's in March.

A group of Falkland Islanders calling themselves Falklands United have written a letter to Kirchner: ‘We look forward to our referendum in March and failure on your part to accept the outcome will prove to the world that there is only one colonial power in the region.’

The letter added: ‘We have never been prouder of our association with the United Kingdom and our unique relationship. Any decision to change that would be OUR and not YOUR choice.’

I doubt much will change after the vote - Argentina will still claim the islands.

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Argentina nuclear weapons? thats like the Vatican having a tank

In fact, Argentina have the know-how and capabilities to build nueclear weapons. We were researching in making our oour delivery vectors, but between USA pressure to stop the later, and a treaty with Brazil to not to build nueclear heads, but dont have them right now...

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