Prof. Theodor Gomperz: Atlantis could be real

[Proclus]

I translated another article (the last one, for now):

Prof. Massimo Pallottino, famous Italian archaeologist, inspired by Wilhelm Brandenstein:

The question of Plato's Atlantis is still an open question.

http://www.atlantis-scout.de/atlantis_pallottino_engl.htm

And it's one year nearer to the present than Brandenstein ...

... let's continue this in short until present:

There are academics with relevant expertise (philology or archaeology, etc.)

such as Prof. John V. Luce, Eberhard Zangger or Prof. Herwig Görgemanns

(the latter two still alive! Huh! Can this be? No mummies? Ghosts from an unreal world?).

But of course, the answers of some, not all, in this forum will be:

I have seen nothing, this is not relevant, I know of no academics in favour of Atlantis,

especially not with relevant expertise (they just ignore the presented reality),

maybe they are National Socialists ... and in the end ... who knows ...

... these articles on these academics maybe misinterpretations of what they really said.

So let us not even start thinking about it.

Who does not search - he will not find. And that is what they want. Saving a dogma.

Putting the burden of proof for 100% on the "other side".

Pallottino called this "arrogant".

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[Harte]

Who does not search - he will not find. And that is what they want. Saving a dogma.

Putting the burden of proof for 100% on the "other side".

Pallottino called this "arrogant".

Pallottino's Atlantis won't be found by "who does search."

From your site:

For Pallottino, Atlantis was not a real place but an errorneous combination and overlying of a wide variety of historical traditions, myths and mistakes. In this sense, Atlantis though would not have been an invention by Plato, but a mistake and a misunderstanding of the tradition and of Plato.

It is logic, not Pallattino, that puts the burden of proof entirely on the claimant.

Harte

[Proclus]

@Harte:

> Pallottino's Atlantis won't be found by "who does search."

Hello little cherry picker! :-)

Missing intentionally the point as always, you can make bets on it.

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[Abramelin]

There is a record of a storm that destroyed Egypt, around 1550bc. Perhaps the eruption of Threa.Which also relates to the Cecrops dynasties of the 1500 `s hundreds bc, the kings of Athens, that were said to have been in the Atlantis`s war.

The Tempest Stele (alt. Storm Stele) was erected by Ahmose I early in the eighteenth dynasty of Egypt, circa 1550 BCE. The stele describes a great storm striking Egypt during this time, destroying tombs, temples and pyramids in the Theban region and the work of restoration ordered by the king.[

http://en.wikipedia....i/Tempest_Stele

Plato

This I infer because Solon said that the priests in their narrative of that war mentioned most of the names which are recorded prior to the time of Theseus, such as Cecrops, and Erechtheus, and Erichthonius, and Erysichthon,

http://www.forumanci...Chronology.html

Archaeological evidence, based on the established chronology of Bronze Age Mediterranean cultures dates the eruption to around 1500 BC. These dates, however, conflict with radiocarbon dating which indicates that the eruption occurred about 1645–1600 BC. Around the time of the radiocarbon-indicated date of the eruption, there is evidence for a significant climatic event in the Northern Hemisphere. The evidence includes failure of crops in China, as well as evidence from tree rings. The tree rings date the climatic event to 1628 BC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santorini

[jaylemurph]

@Harte:

> Pallottino's Atlantis won't be found by "who does search."

Hello little cherry picker! :-)

Missing intentionally the point as always, you can make bets on it.

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I get a fussy little tantrum and called "impertinent" -- like I was a plucky 19th-Century girl reporter! -- then you turn around and talk to another grown man like this?

...at least I got in a good laugh today!

--Jaylemurph

Edited May 30, 2013 by jaylemurph

[Proclus]

@jaylemurph:

> then you turn around and talk to another grown man like this?

How do you know that he is a "grown man"? He did not behave like one.

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[jaylemurph]

@jaylemurph:

> then you turn around and talk to another grown man like this?

How do you know that he is a "grown man"? He did not behave like one.

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Last time I checked, fathers and teachers -- both of which he's admitted to being -- tend to be adults. Although, I guess to be honest, I have no way of knowing if he is, in fact, a particularly literate allosaurus.

--Jaylemurph

[Harte]

I would say that it is Proclus that is "missing the point." After all, Proclus linked to the paper I quoted, which clearly states that Proclus' reference asserts that Atlantis never existed.

If you're pro-Atlantis, Pallottino's analysis is not exactly the sort of thing you want as a reference.

Yet, there it is.

Skeptics are not needed in this thread, as Proclus continues to debunk himself.

Last time I checked, fathers and teachers -- both of which he's admitted to being -- tend to be adults. Although, I guess to be honest, I have no way of knowing if he is, in fact, a particularly literate allosaurus.

--Jaylemurph

Unlike many here that fear telling anyone how old (or young) they actually are, my birthday is listed on my profile page.

Harte

[jaylemurph]

I would say that it is Proclus that is "missing the point." After all, Proclus linked to the paper I quoted, which clearly states that Proclus' reference asserts that Atlantis never existed.

If you're pro-Atlantis, Pallottino's analysis is not exactly the sort of thing you want as a reference.

Yet, there it is.

Skeptics are not needed in this thread, as Proclus continues to debunk himself.

Unlike many here that fear telling anyone how old (or young) they actually are, my birthday is listed on my profile page.

Harte

That piece of information does not contradict the fact you could be an allosaur.

--Jaylemurph

[+DieChecker]

Who does not search - he will not find. And that is what they want. Saving a dogma.

Putting the burden of proof for 100% on the "other side".

Pallottino called this "arrogant".

That is what I tell people about bigfoot, and they still keep telling me he is fictional. Even though there are closer to a hundred thousand sources for belief in bigfoot, while still only the one for Atlantis.

Edited June 1, 2013 by DieChecker

[docyabut2]

Archaeological evidence, based on the established chronology of Bronze Age Mediterranean cultures dates the eruption to around 1500 BC. These dates, however, conflict with radiocarbon dating which indicates that the eruption occurred about 1645–1600 BC. Around the time of the radiocarbon-indicated date of the eruption, there is evidence for a significant climatic event in the Northern Hemisphere. The evidence includes failure of crops in China, as well as evidence from tree rings. The tree rings date the climatic event to 1628 BC.

https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Santorini

The Thera eruption occurred during a mature phase of the LM IA period. Efforts to establish the calendar date of the volcanic eruption have been extremely controversial. Radiocarbon dating has indicated a date in the late 17th century BCE;^[10][11] those radiocarbon dates, however, conflict with the estimates of archaeologists, who synchronize the eruption with the Conventional Egyptian chronology and obtain a date of around 1525-1500 BCE.^[12][13][14]

^{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoans}

[Proclus]

I would say that it is Proclus that is "missing the point." After all, Proclus linked to the paper I quoted, which clearly states that Proclus' reference asserts that Atlantis never existed.

If you're pro-Atlantis, Pallottino's analysis is not exactly the sort of thing you want as a reference.

Yet, there it is.

Skeptics are not needed in this thread, as Proclus continues to debunk himself.

Harte

Unbelievable ... how can any intelligent being miss the point in Pallottino's paper which is so important for every Atlantis searcher?

Harte, are you ... *really* an allosaurus?! Not only for joke?

Could you please calculate 2+2 for us? Just to see if you are human ...

By the way (I do not want to open a topic for this):

The Atlantis Newsletter: Now in English!

I decided to switch from German to English, see the first English newsletters, here:

http://www.atlantis-...wsl_archive.htm

... and find the subscription page here:

http://www.atlantis-..._newsletter.htm

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[cormac mac airt]

The Thera eruption occurred during a mature phase of the LM IA period. Efforts to establish the calendar date of the volcanic eruption have been extremely controversial. Radiocarbon dating has indicated a date in the late 17th century BCE;^[10][11] those radiocarbon dates, however, conflict with the estimates of archaeologists, who synchronize the eruption with the Conventional Egyptian chronology and obtain a date of around 1525-1500 BCE.^[12][13][14]

^{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoans}

This is a good example of someone getting tripped up, more often than not, by using Wikipedia as a source. As has been mentioned before, per "The Chronology of Tell el-Daba - A crucial meeting point of C14 dating, archaeology, and Egyptology in the 2nd millenium BC", the radiocarbon (C14) dating method and the archaeological dating method cannot be currently reconciled. So claiming that archaeologists synchronize one with the other is misleading, if not an outright fabrication, on someone's part.

http://www.academia.edu/2280883/Kutschera_W._Bietak_M._Wild_EM_Bronk_Ramsey_Ch._Dee_M._Golser_R._Kopetzky_K._Stadler_P._Steier_P._Thanheiser_U._Weninger_F._The_Chronology_of_Tell_El-Daba_A_crucial_meeting_point_of_14C_dating_Archaeology_and_Egyptology_in_the_2nd_millennium_BC.

cormac