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The UK is "valuable" to the US partly because it is a member of the EU, the deputy prime minister has said.

It comes after the Obama administration expressed concern about the impact of a UK referendum on its future in the EU.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20969380

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The deluded Euro skeptics may not think their influence will diminish outside of the EU, but those of a more sane disposition know better.

Br Cornelius

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The deluded Euro skeptics may not think their influence will diminish outside of the EU, but those of a more sane disposition know better.

Br Cornelius

So you have already given an unelected foreign government control over some of your laws, now you want to listen to a president of another country over the people of the UK?

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Was the purpose of the EU to ensure that the entire geographic region collapsed at the same time, making it simpler for ________ to come in and take over the whole mess at once rather than piece meal?

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So you have already given an unelected foreign government control over some of your laws, now you want to listen to a president of another country over the people of the UK?

NOT what he is saying at all.

What do you mean by "Unelected Foreign Govt"? Are you referring to Brussels which is heavily filled with UK MEP's?? It also is NOT a Government. It is up to the UK to actually approve the directives - they can always apply the veto. So what the UK has signed up to, is only what it WANTS to sign up to.

Nobody gives 2 hoots what the USA has to say in this matter, in fact it would have the opposite effect on the Moronic Voting Constituency in the UK.

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NOT what he is saying at all.

What do you mean by "Unelected Foreign Govt"? Are you referring to Brussels which is heavily filled with UK MEP's?? It also is NOT a Government. It is up to the UK to actually approve the directives - they can always apply the veto. So what the UK has signed up to, is only what it WANTS to sign up to.

Nobody gives 2 hoots what the USA has to say in this matter, in fact it would have the opposite effect on the Moronic Voting Constituency in the UK.

Should the people decide the future of the country in a democracy?

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Hang on one minute here. These words are from Nick Clegg. who is the Liberal Party leader. the party and leader who would've had us signed up to the Euro currency which as been proven would have been a total disaster for us. we'd be worse than Greece - he's the same man who use to be a member of the European Parliament. and is odd's on favourite to return to the EU parliament once his disastrous spell as liberal leader comes to an end. - so i wouldn't take to much notice of him.

Has for the USA, they said 'Philip Gordon, the US assistant secretary for European affairs in the US State Department, told journalists on Wednesday that the UK would always be a key ally of the US and that "what is in the UK's interests is up to the UK".

Case closed. thank you and goodnight.

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Hang on one minute here. These words are from Nick Clegg. who is the Liberal Party leader. the party and leader who would've had us signed up to the Euro currency which as been proven would have been a total disaster for us. we'd be worse than Greece - he's the same man who use to be a member of the European Parliament. and is odd's on favourite to return to the EU parliament once his disastrous spell as liberal leader comes to an end. - so i wouldn't take to much notice of him.

Has for the USA, they said 'Philip Gordon, the US assistant secretary for European affairs in the US State Department, told journalists on Wednesday that the UK would always be a key ally of the US and that "what is in the UK's interests is up to the UK".

Case closed. thank you and goodnight.

Just as much as your claim that TATA would not start dismantling Land Rover once they learned enough. Had a reality check lately? But for the meager sum of 500 million pounds Mr. Tata might reconsider....

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Hang on one minute here. These words are from Nick Clegg. who is the Liberal Party leader. the party and leader who would've had us signed up to the Euro currency which as been proven would have been a total disaster for us. we'd be worse than Greece - he's the same man who use to be a member of the European Parliament. and is odd's on favourite to return to the EU parliament once his disastrous spell as liberal leader comes to an end. - so i wouldn't take to much notice of him.

Has for the USA, they said 'Philip Gordon, the US assistant secretary for European affairs in the US State Department, told journalists on Wednesday that the UK would always be a key ally of the US and that "what is in the UK's interests is up to the UK".

Case closed. thank you and goodnight.

...and there was I thinking he was the Deputy Prime Minister, of a Conservative led co-alition, within an Electoral Dictatorship

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The American Government (through its spokesman) has openly declared that Britain's international influence will be diminished if they leave the Euro - that's the simple reality. America will seek stronger ties with an allie still within the EU - fact stated by the American Government.

Plucky little UK will get a bloody nose over this one. The days of little nation states left the building over a half a century ago.

Br Cornelius

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edited: off topic private message awaits you Q.

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The American Government (through its spokesman) has openly declared that Britain's international influence will be diminished if they leave the Euro - that's the simple reality. America will seek stronger ties with an allie still within the EU - fact stated by the American Government.

Plucky little UK will get a bloody nose over this one. The days of little nation states left the building over a half a century ago.

Br Cornelius

Dont make me laugh, Britain's international influence will be diminished if they leave the EU. and what influence does the EU have they are a laughing stock to the world community, the euro zone for starters is in ruins. keep an eye on this situation just because its gone out of the media doesnt mean problem solved, the PIIGS are still in transit to the slaughter.

The Yanks know you cannot rely upon the Europeans. never have never will. European politics is p*** poor. the EU as shambles. - over half of the people of europe would vote to leave the EU if given the vote. just look at voting in the EU. every single year the turnout as fallen, and politically lurched to the right.

The Dutch said NO, the French said NO the Irish said NO. every time the people have been given the vote on referendums they have voted NO. and each and every time ignored, the Irish Vote was the best. by making them vote twice until they Voted YES, mind you they didn't even give the Dutch or the French a second vote they simply ignored them.

The end game is a Federation, you either believe in national democracy or you don't. its now time for the UK to get in the Life boat and let the EU-titanic sail into that iceberg.

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You should hear the interviews that the AMERICA spokesman has been delivering - its perfectly clear that they think it will be a disaster for the UK. I think they have a bit better idea of the inside skinny on international relations than you do Steve :tu:

They also described the EU for what it is - the largest economy in the world.

Br Cornelius

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You should hear the interviews that the AMERICA spokesman has been delivering - its perfectly clear that they think it will be a disaster for the UK. I think they have a bit better idea of the inside skinny on international relations than you do Steve :tu:

They also described the EU for what it is - the largest economy in the world.

Br Cornelius

i'll have to watch the news at ten to see what the score is. when it comes to foreign affairs has the US always been right? they said Germany would overrun the UK within weeks of France Falling. Did they? they also said the UK couldn't recapture the Falklands, how did that end? moral of the story do not underestimate the British. goodnight.

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Who are the US saying our international influence will diminish with? I'm assuming they don't mean the whole planet....and i'm guessing they weren't referring to themselves either...so who exactly?

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i'll have to watch the news at ten to see what the score is. when it comes to foreign affairs has the US always been right? they said Germany would overrun the UK within weeks of France Falling. Did they? they also said the UK couldn't recapture the Falklands, how did that end? moral of the story do not underestimate the British. goodnight.

I think its quite clear that they sit round the table with the EU and carry out negotiations. They understand what it takes to sit at the top table and set the agenda - and the Uk is small beer. They currently see the Uk as a lever of influence within the EU, outside they are not that important when negotiating with the largest open market in the world.

Br Cornelius

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Who are the US saying our international influence will diminish with? I'm assuming they don't mean the whole planet....and i'm guessing they weren't referring to themselves either...so who exactly?

Within the EU and within the US - they currently consider us an influential bridge in influencing the EU.

International relations are mediated by political blocks and if you are not in one you are small beer.

Br Cornelius

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Within the EU and within the US - they currently consider us an influential bridge in influencing the EU.

Br Cornelius

Ah right. Well what would it matter to them though...they'll still be our number 1 for exports (money matters) so other then not being seen as a bridge for them to walk over I can't see how their new opinion of us in relation to Europe would actually effect us in reality?

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Britain is a sympathetic ear in an generally hostile EU - for them it means less influence, and for Britain it means we could likely see a divestment of industrial investment as the US moved to countries within the EU to avoid trade tariffs.

What they are saying to the Irish nation;

http://www.rte.ie/news/morningireland/player.html?20130110,20136849,20136849,flash,232

Br Cornelius

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Well if Cameron won't come out then he should at least Veto everything that doesn't benefit the UK,counter productive yes,but a lot more fun for the British Electorate,who just love it when the French and Germans get upset..

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Dont make me laugh, Britain's international influence will be diminished if they leave the EU. and what influence does the EU have they are a laughing stock to the world community, the euro zone for starters is in ruins. keep an eye on this situation just because its gone out of the media doesnt mean problem solved, the PIIGS are still in transit to the slaughter.

The Yanks know you cannot rely upon the Europeans. never have never will. European politics is p*** poor. the EU as shambles. - over half of the people of europe would vote to leave the EU if given the vote. just look at voting in the EU. every single year the turnout as fallen, and politically lurched to the right.

The Dutch said NO, the French said NO the Irish said NO. every time the people have been given the vote on referendums they have voted NO. and each and every time ignored, the Irish Vote was the best. by making them vote twice until they Voted YES, mind you they didn't even give the Dutch or the French a second vote they simply ignored them.

The end game is a Federation, you either believe in national democracy or you don't. its now time for the UK to get in the Life boat and let the EU-titanic sail into that iceberg.

Eum, the dutch or the french didn't have referendums to leave Europe....where the hell are you getting this?? Do you understand the nature of referendums?

They voted on treaties and enlargement of the EU ... not to leave it, quite the opposite. France was one of the founding members lol...do you re-read your posts before you post them ? You should.

Get your facts straight if you're gonna get all emotional about it.

22px-Flag_of_France.svg.pngFrance - Before allowing the new candidate member states to join the European Communities, founding member France held a referendum on 23 April 1972. The turnout was 60.7%, with 68.3% in favour.

Following that approval, three of the four candidate states (Ireland, Denmark, Norway) likewise held referendums on the issue of joining the European Communities. The results were:

22px-Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg.pngUnited Kingdom The Conservative government of Edward Heath did not hold a referendum before the United Kingdom joined. Labour's manifesto for the 1974 general election included a pledge for a referendum, so after Labour won under Harold Wilson, the referendum was held on whether to remain in the Communities. The result was 67.2% in favour, with a turnout of 64.0%.

22px-Flag_of_Ireland.svg.pngIreland The Tenth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland permitted Ireland to ratify the Single European Act. It was approved by referendum on 26 May 1987. The result of the referendum was 69.9% in favour.

Three countries held referendums on the ratification of the treaty of Maastricht: France, Ireland and Denmark.

Result was a majority of 68.7% in favour. Turnout was 57.31%.

The treaty was verified with a slim margin of victory of 51.1% in favour. Turnout was 69.7%.

Two countries held referendums on the ratification of the treaty of Amsterdam: Ireland and Denmark.

Result was a majority of 61.74% in favour. Turnout was 56.2%.

  • 22px-Flag_of_Ireland.svg.pngIreland - Irish referendums on Treaty of Nice

In 2001 Irish voters rejected the Treaty of Nice by 53.9%, but with only 34.8% of the electorate voting, while in 2002 they accepted the Treaty by 62.9% with 49.5% of the electorate voting.

Several member states used or intended to use referendums to ratify the Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe (TCE).

The results were as follows:

Ireland - European Fiscal Compact referendum, 60.3% in favour (31 May 2012)

Notice this is not about leaving Europe...haha...seriously, nice try though.

The historical roots of the European Union lie in the Second World War. Europeans are determined to prevent such killing and destruction ever happening again. Soon after the war, Europe is split into East and West as the 40-year-long Cold War begins. West European nations create the Council of Europe in 1949. It is a first step towards cooperation between them, but six countries want to go further.

9 May 1950 — French Foreign Minister Robert Schuman presents a plan for deeper cooperation. Later, every 9 May is celebrated as 'Europe Day'.

18 April 1951

Based on the Schuman plan, six countries sign a treaty to run their heavy industries – coal and steel – under a common management. In this way, none can on its own make the weapons of war to turn against the other, as in the past. The six are Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg.

pouce_enlarg_member.gif Founding Member States: Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg.

http://europa.eu/about-eu/eu-history/1945-1959/index_en.htm

Educate yourself will ya.

America knows Europe is rising and becoming a stronger force to reckon with...the UK is providing them an easier link to the EU because the UK does nothing better than brownnose the USA.

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UK risks 'turning inwards' over EU referendum - US official

The Obama administration has publicly expressed concern about the impact of a UK referendum on its future relationship with the EU.

Philip Gordon, a senior official in the US State Department, said it was in America's interests to see a "strong British voice within the EU".

"Referendums have often turned countries inwards," he added.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20961651

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German MPs warn UK EU exit would be 'economic disaster'

A new, strongly worded warning against Britain leaving the EU has come from a delegation of visiting German MPs.

It follows Wednesday's expression of concern from a senior US official.

The cross-party delegation from the Bundestag's EU Affairs committee was in London to highlight Germany's growing alarm at the danger of a possible UK exit.

The chairman of the committee said if Britain left the EU, it would be disastrous for its economy.

The delegation is meeting British government officials and talking to MPs at the House of Commons.

Briefing reporters at the German Embassy in London, Gunther Krichbaum, a member of Chancellor Angela Merkel's ruling CDU party, said: "Losing the single market for the UK would be an economic disaster."

He added that more business leaders in Britain needed to make the case for continued membership.

Mr Krichbaum also argued that Britain would suffer a significant loss of global prestige if it left the EU club.

"Britain leaving [the EU] would weaken the European idea, but it would weaken Britain's position in the world more," he said.

Following Wednesday's public warning from the US Assistant Secretary of European Affairs, Philip Gordon, that the US wanted to see a continued strong UK voice within the EU, some members of the German delegation expressed the view that a British departure from the EU could damage relations with Washington for both London and Brussels.

Mr Krichbaum added that from his point of view, any attempt by Britain to renegotiate its position to reach a "new settlement" for continued membership would be resisted by its European partners.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20974666

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The deluded Euro skeptics may not think their influence will diminish outside of the EU, but those of a more sane disposition know better.

Br Cornelius

Britains politicians have gone soft in the head because of WW2.

As a result our economy has been distorted away from those activities which make a nation powerful towards services. We need to rebalance the economy and adopt protectionistic policies to product the new industries.

Once the economy has been rebalanced we need -

1. 10 aircraft carriers not 2.

2. 1,000,000 troops not 220,000

3. Lots of fighter jets, destroyers and tanks.

Then we go take over the oil. Obviously we go for our enemies like Iran and then BP can make a fortune for the British Government.

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Ah right. Well what would it matter to them though...they'll still be our number 1 for exports (money matters) so other then not being seen as a bridge for them to walk over I can't see how their new opinion of us in relation to Europe would actually effect us in reality?

Your #1, but for the US falls under the chapter another minor trading partner:

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