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From my pov it seems that in a forum called Extraterrestrial Life & The UFO Phenomenon the starting line is to consider the possibility that xts HAVE BEEN HERE in some realistic way(s). It doesn't mean you have to accept it as what actually happened, and certainly not all claims and evidence that it has happened, but also certainly that it COULD HAVE happened. Yet the majority of people in this forum don't seem able to think realistically about the possibility that they have, but only about the possibility that they have not. And not always realistically about that either. For example I've never heard or read a good explanation about how people could microwave the stems of plants making them lay down and form complex designs in fields using no light and making no sound in about 3 hours time, but some just seem to take it for granted that people are doing it. How to produce the microwave energy without a generator people could hear? How to control and direct the energy if they could? How to control the fall of so many plants so they lay in the correct way while the microwave energy is somehow being created and applied?

There are also countless other things in addition to crop circles that would require being able to realistically consider the influence of xt influence in order to get to the starting line. Yet it seems that not only can most posters in this forum not :no: get to the starting line, but on top of that they're also often critical and insulting toward people who can and do. Good :yes: fun!

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For example I've never heard or read a good explanation about how people could microwave the stems of plants making them lay down and form complex designs in fields using no light and making no sound in about 3 hours time,

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ok, microwave and leek ready, what shall I do next?

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what? explain another way

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From my pov it seems that in a forum called Extraterrestrial Life & The UFO Phenomenon the starting line is to consider the possibility that xts HAVE BEEN HERE in some realistic way(s). It doesn't mean you have to accept it as what actually happened, and certainly not all claims and evidence that it has happened, but also certainly that it COULD HAVE happened. Yet the majority of people in this forum don't seem able to think realistically about the possibility that they have, but only about the possibility that they have not. And not always realistically about that either. For example I've never heard or read a good explanation about how people could microwave the stems of plants making them lay down and form complex designs in fields using no light and making no sound in about 3 hours time, but some just seem to take it for granted that people are doing it. How to produce the microwave energy without a generator people could hear? How to control and direct the energy if they could? How to control the fall of so many plants so they lay in the correct way while the microwave energy is somehow being created and applied?

There are also countless other things in addition to crop circles that would require being able to realistically consider the influence of xt influence in order to get to the starting line. Yet it seems that not only can most posters in this forum not :no: get to the starting line, but on top of that they're also often critical and insulting toward people who can and do. Good :yes: fun!

That 'microwave' story has been debunked by someone who was actually a specialist in wheat. He explained it was done by simple bending the stems of the wheat and the knots on the wheat stems split open.

There is a great documentary on YouTube that will explain it all.

I don't have the link to that YouTube video right now, but if you try, you will find it.

I too like to believe that aliens did all this and a lot more, but up to now I have not seen any evidence of them being here and messing with our culture and other things.

And I have seen artists creating a crop circle, and the next day some so called 'researchers' came around, and told they could sense something 'unexplainable', an energy field of some sorts.

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of course it could have happened.

of course, it could have not happened as well.

and in a discussion, we talk about both sides. If you want to only discuss how aliens came here and built statues, gave us the recipe to making the perfect vodka martini and discovered the joy of playing operation on live specimens, then you'll have to find another forum because you're always going to get a "well it could also be ..." posts here.

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I'm open to the idea of ET visitation, even though there isn't any hard evidence, I admit to liking the idea and exploring the possibility.

Though I can't imagine them traversing millions of light years just to come make our wheat lay down all pretty.

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I'm open to the idea of ET visitation, even though there isn't any hard evidence, I admit to liking the idea and exploring the possibility.

Though I can't imagine them traversing millions of light years just to come make our wheat lay down all pretty.

They got to get to our wheat first....

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I don't care what any of the others on the forums think, since I have personal knowledge that ETs have been here for quite some time. I have been attacked constantly and called every name in the book on here, but it has never shaken my story.

I learned about this when i was in the Army and that's all there is to it. Over the years I have also seen enough evidence besides what I learned in the Army to convince me that we have quite a few "visitors". I have posted much of this on here, so don't believe these people who say I have no evidence, since no one has posted more of it than me.

Whether the others believe me or not matters nothing to me, since I know what I'm talking about.

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I believe you Mac-G And I know what your talking about ! THere out there Man !

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[...] since no one has posted more of it than me.[...]

Pure BS, skyeagle posted more than you, karl 12 posted more than you, so relax, you ain't so special. On the other hand you are the leader in posting claim "no one has posted more of it than me" :D

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Pure BS, skyeagle posted more than you, karl 12 posted more than you, so relax, you ain't so special. On the other hand you are the leader in posting claim "no one has posted more of it than me" :D

Those were two very good posters for sure, but they haven't been around for quite a while.

I've only posted part of what I know in any case, but today I'm feeling more chatty for some reason.

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Those were two very good posters for sure, but they haven't been around for quite a while.

I've only posted part of what I know in any case, but today I'm feeling more chatty for some reason.

Translation "I've only posted part of what I found on narcap, ufocasebook, etc". It takes enormous mental capabilities to browse through material on UFO related websites.

BTW, did you actually looked at radar data in Stephenville case? Have you counted how many unrelated skin returns were there? Guess not.

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Translation "I've only posted part of what I found on narcap, ufocasebook, etc". It takes enormous mental capabilities to browse through material on UFO related websites.

BTW, did you actually looked at radar data in Stephenville case? Have you counted how many unrelated skin returns were there? Guess not.

Is that what you really think? That I know nothing else except that? Don't be a silly boy.

As for you Stephenville question, it is also silly because there were no "unrelated" radar returns, at least not so far as the military aircraft that were sent up after the UFO.

Yes, son, they were sent up to intercept it, quite a few of them actually, but we can certainly identify our own planes. We couldn't identify that UFO. Do you truly think I (we) don't know all about this one? You couldn't be more mistaken if you do.

Why do you even bother to ask such questions of me? Isn't there something more important that you'd really like to know? Maybe I'll even tell you if I'm still in a good mood.

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Is that what you really think? That I know nothing else except that? Don't be a silly boy.

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Let me guess, you have imaginary closet full of imaginary undisclosed docs? Rrright...

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As for you Stephenville question, it is also silly because there were no "unrelated" radar returns, at least not so far as the military aircraft that were sent up after the UFO.

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And you can show this, i.e. were sent up after the UFO, on radar data (hell, UFO flight direction, and heading of mil jets would suffice)? I guess not, again.

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Yes, son, they were sent up to intercept it, quite a few of them actually, but we can certainly identify our own planes. We couldn't identify that UFO. Do you truly think I (we) don't know all about this one? You couldn't be more mistaken if you do.

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Ok, gramps, show us it on radar data, will yea?

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Let me guess, you have imaginary closet full of imaginary undisclosed docs? Rrright...

Yes.

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Let me guess, you have imaginary closet full of imaginary undisclosed docs? Rrright...

Ok, gramps, show us it on radar data, will yea?

I have, but you never responded, except by saying that I refused to post anything or answer your questions.

I kinda gave up trying to talk to you after that because your motives were suspect. You aren't really here to discuss UFO reports but to ridicule them.

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For example I've never heard or read a good explanation about how people could microwave the stems of plants making them lay down and form complex designs in fields using no light and making no sound in about 3 hours time,

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ok, microwave and leek ready, what shall I do next?

Make a crop circle of course. Then tell us how you did it. How you got power to the microwave generator, how you laid out the pattern in the field, how you applied the microwave energy to the stalks, and how you got the stalks to fall the way you wanted them to fall. Also how you either transported the microwave generator and its power supply around the field with you, or/and how you got power from it to whatever you used to apply it to the stalks. Or if you could do it but just "don't want to", tell us in detail how you would do all that if you did want to.

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That 'microwave' story has been debunked by someone who was actually a specialist in wheat. He explained it was done by simple bending the stems of the wheat and the knots on the wheat stems split open.

There is a great documentary on YouTube that will explain it all.

I don't have the link to that YouTube video right now, but if you try, you will find it.

I too like to believe that aliens did all this and a lot more, but up to now I have not seen any evidence of them being here and messing with our culture and other things.

And I have seen artists creating a crop circle, and the next day some so called 'researchers' came around, and told they could sense something 'unexplainable', an energy field of some sorts.

Since I've heard more that there has been microwaving done than that there has not, so far I still believe it. I have no doubt that some were done without microwaving btw, but if some were microwaved that's the significant thing and that guy didn't check every crop circle in the world to make sure none had been. Also I've no doubt humans make some crop circles. It's whether or not they make every one of them that's in question. The fact that humans are the only sapient beings on the planet is significant from my pov. If there were other sapient animals then we'd be in competition with them, and possibly have wars if they were strong enough to be a threat. They would also be another possibility in the formation of crop circles etc, and we'd be wondering if "they" were doing it trying to fool us. Fortunately for us, whether just by dumb luck or deliberate influence by other intelligent beings, we don't have other sapient creatures to wonder about and compete with. So if humans couldn't make some of the crop circles, there's no question about how *else* they could have been made. The same is true with the megaliths. It would have to be beings not only from a different planet, but from a different star system. That's also very significant. For years, up until as recently as the 1950s or something, people believed there were intelligent beings on other planets in this star system. People thought they could see cities etc on Mars. If there really were intelligent beings on Mars, don't you think by now we would be regularly going back and forth because it would have been a priority to start doing that? I do. To just go to a lifeless rock has some attraction, but not like it would if they had cities etc up there. By now we would certainly be trading music and video and text and some items, and there would probably be regular shipping lanes etc... So, that also means that in star systems where there IS intelligent life on more than one planet, they would be likely to develop space travel much faster than being in our position. So if we're living on a project planet, part of the test could be to see how fast or slow we work it out without there being other beings encouraging us to get on with it.

Do you have links to pics of the crop circle(s) you said you saw people making? How were they making them, and how did they lay out the pattern?

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of course it could have happened.

of course, it could have not happened as well.

and in a discussion, we talk about both sides. If you want to only discuss how aliens came here . . . then you'll have to find another forum because you're always going to get a "well it could also be ..." posts here.

I'm talking about the 'it could only be' posts, and a lot of them can't say HOW it could only be humans because they can't say how humans could have done some of the things.

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To back up Mac-G on the Texas event in Stephenville It most cerntinally Happened ! And There were Air guard Jets in the air Looking for something,And yes there were eye wittnesses,and multi-sightings that night ! But Oil`s I can say IS It is texas afterall ! And That in a nutshell says it all ! Everything Is BIGGER in TEXAS !

Now where were we ? :tsu:

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I'm open to the idea of ET visitation, even though there isn't any hard evidence, I admit to liking the idea and exploring the possibility.

Though I can't imagine them traversing millions of light years just to come make our wheat lay down all pretty.

I can't either. I can imagine them coming from some of the closer star systems though, and have no reason to believe they would not provide evidence with crop circles, and abductions, and displaying their air vehicles for people to see sometimes, etc... If they're helping the human race advance with the hopes of getting us in the position to be capable of thriving in space and possibly interacting with other beings in space and different star systems at some point in the future, then the direct interaction they had in the past and the megalithic structures they inspired and possibly helped build, and the "sightings" and crop circles and all that do make sense and seem like logical things for them to do from my pov. It lets us ease into the idea while at the same time we're developing the technology to make it possible.

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Yes.

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Thanks for clarifying. Imaginary files in the imaginary closet. Noted.

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I have, but you never responded, except by saying that I refused to post anything or answer your questions.

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Are you sure? Can you link your posts on Stephenville case I never responded? I could had missed them.

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I kinda gave up trying to talk to you after that because your motives were suspect. You aren't really here to discuss UFO reports but to ridicule them.

...or because you have squat/zero/zilch/nada and none. Guess later, gramps.

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I don't care what any of the others on the forums think, since I have personal knowledge that ETs have been here for quite some time. I have been attacked constantly and called every name in the book on here, but it has never shaken my story.

I learned about this when i was in the Army and that's all there is to it. Over the years I have also seen enough evidence besides what I learned in the Army to convince me that we have quite a few "visitors". I have posted much of this on here, so don't believe these people who say I have no evidence, since no one has posted more of it than me.

Whether the others believe me or not matters nothing to me, since I know what I'm talking about.

Some people say there is no evidence, even though the evidence is what's discussed most in this forum. How could people who don't believe there is any evidence, possibly distinguish between which evidence could actually be from xt influence and which evidence most likely is not?

I will say that until recently I myself believed xts could not be flying around in our atmosphere because I was confident they would be detected by radar so it couldn't be happening. But then after thinking it through if finally dawned on me that if beings are able to travel between star systems and have been doing it for thousands of years, surely they can control whether the electromagnetic radiation that comes in contact with their vehicles is reflected or absorbed, making radar useless except in situations where they have a malfunction or deliberately allow us to detect them.

Is there any evidence in particular you'd like to mention since I'm not familiar with anything you've presented?

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Make a crop circle of course. Then tell us how you did it. How you got power to the microwave generator, how you laid out the pattern in the field, how you applied the microwave energy to the stalks, and how you got the stalks to fall the way you wanted them to fall. Also how you either transported the microwave generator and its power supply around the field with you, or/and how you got power from it to whatever you used to apply it to the stalks. Or if you could do it but just "don't want to", tell us in detail how you would do all that if you did want to.

So i cant do it in my kitchen then? :cry:

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Some people say there is no evidence, even though the evidence is what's discussed most in this forum. How could people who don't believe there is any evidence, possibly distinguish between which evidence could actually be from xt influence and which evidence most likely is not?

I will say that until recently I myself believed xts could not be flying around in our atmosphere because I was confident they would be detected by radar so it couldn't be happening. But then after thinking it through if finally dawned on me that if beings are able to travel between star systems and have been doing it for thousands of years, surely they can control whether the electromagnetic radiation that comes in contact with their vehicles is reflected or absorbed, making radar useless except in situations where they have a malfunction or deliberately allow us to detect them.

Is there any evidence in particular you'd like to mention since I'm not familiar with anything you've presented?

Some people would say that they have been doing so for a very long time, and that they may not even require "ships" or "craft" as we would understand the time.

Just from things I have read and heard, I get the impression that the earth is not all that desirable a location, either environmentally or culturally, but a backward place, well off the beaten path, kind of the Botswana of the galaxy.

There are those who would even call it a zoo, a game preserve or a "prison planet".

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