skyeagle409 Posted February 13, 2013 #476 Share Posted February 13, 2013 it didn't? and you know this how? the melting point of concrete is higher than the melting point of steel. Definitely didn't come from thermite. The temperatures never reached that higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stundie Posted February 13, 2013 #477 Share Posted February 13, 2013 And,175 pounds of thermite was unable to burn through a steel beam, but I guess you missed that videos. But we have seen it done with much less thermite, making that another mount everest of an invalid point. A half ton of thermite was unable to cut a vehicle in two. Imagine what jon coles devices could do if he had half a ton of thermite. But I guess youi missed that video too. Seen it before but your not winning your argument or your invalid point. Just because these guys lack the expertise of Jon, doesn't disprove that thermite can cut steel. The video I posted proves it. End of, denying is just denial and more importantly barefaced ignorance. To add to that, no evidence of thermite was found in the WTC rubble. Add to the fact that no thermite cuts were found on any steel columns. Add to the fact it was never looked foe or tested for...lolTo sum it up, youi have no case!! Thermite can cut steel, it was never tested for or looked for, proving it as a possible explaination to how the tower collapsed. You have no case, you just invent evidence which doesn't exist and deny evidence that does. Hilarious panto debunking! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Fish Posted February 13, 2013 #478 Share Posted February 13, 2013 The temperatures never reached that higher level. you stated the temperature never reached the level to melt steel.I want to know how you know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted February 13, 2013 #479 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Here is what fire did to this steel.... [Here is what thermite did to steel.... And, this is what heat did to steel. http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/IYearLab/Intros/ThermalExpans/ThermalExpans.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stundie Posted February 13, 2013 #480 Share Posted February 13, 2013 More about him.You see this highlights your true lack of expertise that you so often chant on to me about. I really don't know who you think you are fooling?? lol We all know that he concludes that the building fell down with fire, but what he also concludes is that he saw molten girders and vapourised steel. Yet your argument boils down to...You know better than him, he is right about the fires bringing down the building, but wrong about the molten/vapourised steel even though there is plenty of documentation and other eyewitness account. Its pure panto! lol Nothing there about explosives. Never said there was, what I did say was though, is there is something about molten/vaporised steel, from someone has far more expertise than you, otherwise they would have hire you right?? lol.......Which you said didn't exist, which evidently it does, doesn't it Skyeagle?Don't worry I don't expect you address anything, just troll on rather than suck it in, admit you are wrong and lets move on. Makes a great panto! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stundie Posted February 13, 2013 #481 Share Posted February 13, 2013 you stated the temperature never reached the level to melt steel. I want to know how you know this. He knows, because he is an expert and even the experts at GZ don't know anything.......apparently. Makes you wonder why they didn't hire Skyeagle?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted February 13, 2013 #482 Share Posted February 13, 2013 But we have seen it done with much less thermite, making that another mount everest of an invalid point. Imagine what jon coles devices could do if he had half a ton of thermite. Ever wondered why thermite is not used by the demolition industry for demolition implosions? It is not effective. Seen it before but your not winning your argument or your invalid point. Just because these guys lack the expertise of Jon, doesn't disprove that thermite can cut steel. The video I posted proves it. End of, denying is just denial and more importantly barefaced ignorance. Videos prove my case, not yours. Add to the fact it was never looked foe or tested for...lolThermite can cut steel, it was never tested for or looked for, proving it as a possible explaination to how the tower collapsed. They didn't check for thermite because there was no evidence that thermite was used. They knew that fire brought down the WTC buildings based on the buckling, which indicates that fire, not thermite, weakened the structures. No evidence of thermite was ever found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted February 13, 2013 #483 Share Posted February 13, 2013 He knows, because he is an expert and even the experts at GZ don't know anything.......apparently. Makes you wonder why they didn't hire Skyeagle?? Major defense contractors have hired me for my expertise in airframes and metals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted February 13, 2013 #484 Share Posted February 13, 2013 But we have seen it done with much less thermite, making that another mount everest of an invalid point. Imagine what jon coles devices could do if he had half a ton of thermite. A ton of thermite cannot demolish a large building which is why thermite is not used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Fish Posted February 13, 2013 #485 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Major defense contractors have hired me for my expertise in airframes and metals. did you lie to them as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Fish Posted February 13, 2013 #486 Share Posted February 13, 2013 you stated the temperature never reached the level to melt steel. I want to know how you know this. bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stundie Posted February 13, 2013 #487 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Of course he has been involved and he has had hands on experience as well. WOW! This sounds almost like a resonable response. However, no one has doubted he has been involved in demolitions, that is obvious, but has he hands on experience?? You'll need evidence of that afraid, which clearly doesn't exist, otherwise you would have posted it. As I mentioned before, you don't gain flying experience by watching airplane movies. Just as you wouldn't say that a stewardess flies a plane, or even call them an expert in flying. The other hint of his experience is that as worldwide leader in the demolition industry. The other hint of the stewardesses experience is that as a worldwide leader in the flying planes industry. Another hint is that demolition experts around the world come to Brent Blanchard advice and information, not to mention he writes articles for the demolition industry.I'm sure they do come for his advice has he has documented lots of demolitions, but doesnt perform them. Think of him as a demolition librarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted February 13, 2013 #488 Share Posted February 13, 2013 The video I posted proves it. End of, denying is just denial and more importantly barefaced ignorance. And, I posted a video where 175 pounds of thermite failed to burn through a steel beam. WTC Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks 9/11 "Controlled Demolition" Theory Indications of the Imminent Collapse of the World Trade Center Buildings Disprove Explosives Theory Scientists investigating the Sept. 11, 2001 collapse of the twin towers said, "the World Trade Center towers showed telltale signs they were about to collapse several minutes before each crumbled to the ground." There would not be telltale signs if it was explosives (Controlled Demolition) that caused the buildings to collapse. "In the case of the north tower, police chopper pilots reported seeing the warning signs - an inward bowing of the building facade - at least eight minutes before it collapsed at 10:29 a.m." New York Daily News reporter Paul Shin wrote in his June 19th, 2004 article 9/11 cops saw collapse coming. "Federal engineering investigators studying the destruction of the World Trade Center's twin towers on Sept. 11 said New York Police Department aviation units reported an inward bowing of the buildings' columns in the minutes before they collapsed, a signal they were about to fall." - NYC Police Saw Sign of Tower Collapse, Study Says Several minutes before the WTC buildings collapsed, the structures of the buildings were clearly failing and the exterior steel columns could be seen buckling. This simply would not be happening if explosives caused the collapse because explosives don't go off in slow motion for several minutes. Explosives don't slowly buckle steel columns over several minutes. Obviously, the way an actual controlled explosion happens is the explosives all go off in a matter of seconds. There simply would not be warning signs that the buildings were about to be demolished by explosives, it would of course just suddenly happen. But that is not what happened, the buildings did notsuddenly collapse without any indications that they would. Instead, the fires were compromising the structural integrity of the buildings and the buildings' support structures failed. Exterior columns buckled because the fires weakened the floor trusses and the floors sagged. The sagging floors pulled on intact column connections so as the floors sagged down, they pulled the exterior columns inward. This inward bowing of the exterior columns was evident to observers such as the police helicopters circling the towers. "The NYPD aviation unit reported critical information about the impending collapse of the buildings." They could see that the exterior steel beams of the buildings were bowing. You can see the inward bowing of the steel columns in pictures of both WTC 2, (the first building to collapse) and WTC 1 (the second building to collapse.) Buckling Steel Dr. Shyam Sunder, lead investigator for NIST's building and fire safety investigation into the WTC disaster, said, "While the buildings were able to withstand the initial impact of the aircraft, the resulting fires that spread through the towers weakened support columns and floors that had fireproofing dislodged by the impacts. This eventually led to collapse as the perimeter columns were pulled inward by the sagging floors and buckled." "The reason the towers collapsed is because the fireproofing was dislodged," according to Sunder. If the fireproofing had remained in place, Sunder said, the fires would have burned out and moved on without weakening key elements to the point of structural collapse." - Latest Findings From NIST World Trade Center Investigation Released http://www.oocities.org/factsnotfantasy/ExplosivesDebunked.html Translation: No thermite! did you lie to them as well? Didn't need to. I know more about metal than you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted February 13, 2013 #489 Share Posted February 13, 2013 WOW! This sounds almost like a resonable response. However, no one has doubted he has been involved in demolitions, that is obvious, but has he hands on experience?? Hand on experinence also explains why Brent Blanchard is a worldwide leader in the demolition industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stundie Posted February 13, 2013 #490 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Ever wondered why thermite is not used by the demolition industry for demolition implosions? It is not effective. Ever wondered why fire is not used too?Videos prove my case, not yours. I don't think you are, lets check. Position 1 : Thermite can cut steel Position 2 : Thermite cannot cut steel VIDEO SHOWING STEEL BEING CUT WITH THERMITE. POSITION 1 WINS....... My didn't check for thermite because there was no evidence that thermite was used. Cause they didn't look for it. They knew that fire brought down the WTC buildings based on the buckling, which indicates that fire, not thermite, weakened the structures. They assumed.....evidence of thermite was ever found. Cause they didn't look for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted February 13, 2013 #491 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted February 13, 2013 #492 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Ever wondered why fire is not used too? I Position 1 : Thermite can cut steel Thermite cannot demolish large buildings. Which is why it is not used. Cause they didn't look for it. Why look for something for which there is no evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted February 13, 2013 #493 Share Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) WOW! This sounds almost like a resonable response. However, no one has doubted he has been involved in demolitions, that is obvious, but has he hands on experience?? You'll need evidence of that afraid, which clearly doesn't exist, otherwise you would have posted it. Just as you wouldn't say that a stewardess flies a plane, or even call them an expert in flying. The other hint of the stewardesses experience is that as a worldwide leader in the flying planes industry. I'm sure they do come for his advice has he has documented lots of demolitions, but doesnt perform them. Think of him as a demolition librarian. Brent Blanchard is not only a worldwide renowned demolition expert and writer for the demolition industry, he is also an expert in the demolition step process. Did you call his company? Edited February 13, 2013 by skyeagle409 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stundie Posted February 13, 2013 #494 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Hand on experinence also explains why Brent Blanchard is a worldwide leader in the demolition industry. There is no evidence he has hands on experience. Just like an air steward has no hands on experience in flying a plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Fish Posted February 13, 2013 #495 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I know more about metal than you do. I seriously doubt that.are you going to justify your assertion that "the temperature did not reach the melting point of steel"? fema appendix C that stundie linked to, together with the molten concrete disprove your assertion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted February 13, 2013 #496 Share Posted February 13, 2013 There is no evidence he has hands on experience. Apparently, you didn't call his company. Just like an air steward has no hands on experience in flying a plane. He needs hands-on experience to fly a plane just has Brent Blanchard has hands-on experience in demolition implosions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted February 13, 2013 #497 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I seriously doubt that. Believe it, because I have over 40 years experience in the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stundie Posted February 13, 2013 #498 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Brent Blanchard is not only a worldwide renowned demolition expert and writer for the demolition industry, he is also an expert in the demolition step process. Did you call his company? No need. I know what his company does and he may have planted a couple of explosives and done a bit of wiring, just like a curious air stewardess would want to know what certain things do and have a go and pressing buttons etc etc. Doesn't mean they are experienced fliers of planes or pilots and certainly don't make them leading experts, even if they have documents of lots of planes. Maybe you should ask him to see if he has documentation on fire demolitions. lol I seriously doubt that. are you going to justify your assertion that "the temperature did not reach the melting point of steel"? fema appendix C that stundie linked to, together with the molten concrete disprove your assertion. There is no chance of that happening. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stundie Posted February 13, 2013 #499 Share Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) Believe it, because I have over 40 years experience in the field. You sound like one of those preachers..."Believe it, because I have over 40 years experience in the field"...of christianity....lolSorry I prefer evidence not faith based beliefs. lol Shame you don't! lol Edited February 13, 2013 by Stundie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted February 13, 2013 #500 Share Posted February 13, 2013 are you going to justify your assertion that "the temperature did not reach the melting point of steel"? fema appendix C that stundie linked to, together with the molten concrete disprove your assertion. Read this link. Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation The temperature of the fire at the WTC was not unusual, and it was most definitely not capable of melting steel. http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/eagar/eagar-0112.html Think what that means. You sound like one of those preachers..."Believe it, I have over 40 years experience in the field"...of christianity....lol Just putting up that reality for all to see. No need. I know what his company does and he may have planted a couple of explosives and done a bit of wiring, just like a curious air stewardess would want to know what certain things do and have a go and pressing buttons etc etc. Apparently, you are unaware of his full background experience, so once again, when are you going to call? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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