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Obama's debt limit speech 1/14/13

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This guy's using some pretty serious rhetoric. Talk about fear mongering. Actually he just did that too. Condemning certain media for insinuating that he's going to take our guns away, accusing them of fear mongering. Whatever the case is he's hypocritical, begging for power and using some pretty serious choice words when speaking of Republicans. It's one thing to hear everyday politicians talk like that but it means a whole lot more when coming from the POTUS. It's inciteful and divisive and he's fully aware of it. I italicized my key concerns and words he's using.

President Barack Obama during a surprise press conference Monday explained that raising the debt ceiling “does not authorize Congress to spend more” but merely allows “America to pay its bills.”

“We’re not a deadbeat nation,” the president stressed. “Congress authorizes us to pay our bills.”

The president also said that if Congress wants to give him the power to raise debt ceiling, “I’m happy to take it.”

He said Congress has two choices: Either raise the debt ceiling or give him the authority. to do so. Either way, the president seemed to say, the limit will be increased.

“I will not have that conversation with a gun at the head of the American people,” the president said, referring to his commitment to avoid another debt ceiling fight. “We have to break the habit of negotiating through crisis over and over again.”

“[Republican leaders] will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the American economy,” he added. “The full faith and credit of the United States of America is not a bargaining chip.”

For more... http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/14/president-obama-uses-unscheduled-presser-to-say-raising-debt-ceiling-has-nothing-to-do-with-new-spending/

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Sometimes I feel like I wanna. Tomorrow we get to see 19 executive orders on gun control presented to the king by jester Biden.

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He said Congress has two choices: Either raise the debt ceiling or give him the authority. to do so. Either way, the president seemed to say, the limit will be increased.

What odrama didn't say or didn't want to say was Congress should stop spending money.

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No not at all. He's vague and choosy with his words while at the same time I hear him loud and clear.

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Kind of hard to make them do that. And again, for those above who continue to not understand, the debt ceiling is not a credit limit. It's an artificial limit to stop paying money to bills already spent. Since many seem to want to equate national economics to their home finances, it's like having a third party decide that some arbitrary number, say 90%, is all you can pay for your bills from last month.

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It never stops Ninja.... raising the debt ceiling to pay for money already spent always seems to justify finding new ways to increase spending for ideas that sound good but only replaced what worked in the past. It's a cycle of promises versus reality.

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I just listened to his speech. I especially liked the part where he warned if the debt ceiling isn't raised America might not be able to pay the troops.......

Hmmmmm.... sounds like a great idea to me! If the troops aren't paid the invasions and occupations over seas end tomorrow. No pay check = No Service. Hell... how many contractors are there working for free? I have a bro-in-law flying a helicopter in Afghanistan.... he gets paid a lot of money. He's only there for the money.... american taxpayer money and he's canadian.

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Yea threatening the troops pay is one of his old ones. Funny how he never says that he and congress might have to take a pay cut or any other government programs need scaled back.

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Yea threatening the troops pay is one of his old ones. Funny how he never says that he and congress might have to take a pay cut or any other government programs need scaled back.

Yeah... just after many of them received a slight pay increase at the beginning of the year? Gee... I wonder if that debt increased was factored into this owed bills jargon BS.

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Pffhhh. Who knows?

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In any case: as long as sensible savings plans are not put forward (and so far there are none that would make the budget come to the level of the tax revenue) the only solution is more debt. And for my part: I doubt that any member of Congress will refrain from adding pork to the bills. No matter if Democrat, Socialist, Republican or Tea partier.

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It never stops Ninja.... raising the debt ceiling to pay for money already spent always seems to justify finding new ways to increase spending for ideas that sound good but only replaced what worked in the past. It's a cycle of promises versus reality.

no the solution is to apply a spending limit. Not a debt ceiling. The difference is between what we could spend and what we already spent.

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no the solution is to apply a spending limit. Not a debt ceiling. The difference is between what we could spend and what we already spent.

Yeah that'd be a great idea! What'd ya think they should do first? Form another Department?..... The Department of Spending.

lol

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Yeah that'd be a great idea! What'd ya think they should do first? Form another Department?..... The Department of Spending.

lol

They'll be sitting in committee not agreeing on anything for 10,000 grueling hours anyway even without the next Department. While the Departments are a waste of money, their endless rhetorical reach-arounds for each other concerning their own spending are long proven a complete waste of time. ;)

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Well, in theory, Congress is supposed to manage spending. Making it a dept and thus switching it to the exectutive branch probably would upset a few people.

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no the solution is to apply a spending limit. Not a debt ceiling. The difference is between what we could spend and what we already spent.

Uh, a debt ceiling which was actually observed would be a spending limit. Sorry, is that too complex?

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Uh, a debt ceiling which was actually observed would be a spending limit. Sorry, is that too complex?

apparently for you it is. The debt ceiling is a limit on PAYING bills ALREADY SPENT not future spending.

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apparently for you it is. The debt ceiling is a limit on PAYING bills ALREADY SPENT not future spending.

Yep, it was too complex for you. Here, I'll try to explain again. If the government didn't spend MORE than it had (oh look, a limit on spending) it wouldn't go OVER the debt limit. Still too complex? Yeah, duh, the limit is paying bills which were already spent. Wait, would a solution be to NOT KEEP SPENDING?

I know, how radical?

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Socrates, now you know that government math isn't the same as people math. Ninja has explained that many times.

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I'm an outsider but pay attention to US politics. Because as the old saying goes, if the US sneezes the rest of the world gets a cold. The grand old Republican Party is over. In chess....they call it Zugzwang...that is a situation in which every move avail to a player just worsens his position....that's the Republicans now. The Party cannot sustain itself in it's present form. Perhaps they need a third party...that might change things. In other countries they have more than two parties and it works better I think.

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I'm an outsider but pay attention to US politics. Because as the old saying goes, if the US sneezes the rest of the world gets a cold. The grand old Republican Party is over. In chess....they call it Zugzwang...that is a situation in which every move avail to a player just worsens his position....that's the Republicans now. The Party cannot sustain itself in it's present form. Perhaps they need a third party...that might change things. In other countries they have more than two parties and it works better I think.

I'm canadian and most people who Ive talked american politics(in Canada) call the R's racist gun lovers because thats what the TV told them and they repeat it. Most people don't generally research the news. That's their own ignorance. Most people have also been brainwashed into believing that Liberals(the D's) are more compassionate while Conservatives(the R's) are less caring.

I too believe that a 3rd party needs to rise. The rise of the Libertarian Party..... if it weren't for Libertarians America would have already gone to hell. Many don't even realize that many of their personal opinion align with Libertarian values until its spelled out to them.

Fact: Libertarians created America... they were called Classical Liberals back then

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Fact: Libertarians created America... they were called Classical Liberals back then

They were called traitors to the King ;)

Maybe that's what your nation needs, some good solid traitors to stand up for your beliefs.

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I'm canadian and most people who Ive talked american politics(in Canada) call the R's racist gun lovers because thats what the TV told them and they repeat it. Most people don't generally research the news. That's their own ignorance. Most people have also been brainwashed into believing that Liberals(the D's) are more compassionate while Conservatives(the R's) are less caring.

I too believe that a 3rd party needs to rise. The rise of the Libertarian Party..... if it weren't for Libertarians America would have already gone to hell. Many don't even realize that many of their personal opinion align with Libertarian values until its spelled out to them.

Fact: Libertarians created America... they were called Classical Liberals back then

Most people think you are an American. :D;)

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They were called traitors to the King ;)

Maybe that's what your nation needs, some good solid traitors to stand up for your beliefs.

We're called Libertarians. ... and they're coming.... lol

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