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I think you're making too much of his post. JOC is a bit of an exclamatory character but he makes good points.

You think I am making too much of a post that was screaming at me is too much ?? Not in this case he doesn't and you seem to lack understanding.too... This is not about what is really going on with the government... It was just made up as a hypothetical example IF in the case he was the president and he made a promise to cut taxes... Made up.. Not based on real life.. The best part about this is, you and two other failed to see this.. In no way was I basing any of it on reality.. hence the reason for it being hypothetical... And screaming at me is not going to make me listen...

Is it really hard to understand that people can and do make up hypothetical and not base it on reality? Why is that hard to grasp?

Lastly, JOC isn't ready to be president.

Darn it, there was me thinking he was ...sigh I know he isn't that is why it was made up hypothetical ( pretend ) situation ..IF he was president and IF he made a promise ( one that I made up myself ) . Nothing was real.. Holy crackers..lol

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You think I am making too much of a post that was screaming at me is too much ?? Not in this case he doesn't and you seem to lack understanding.too... This is not about what is really going on with the government... It was just made up as a hypothetical example IF in the case he was the president and he made a promise to cut taxes... Made up.. Not based on real life.. The best part about this is, you and two other failed to see this.. In no way was I basing any of it on reality.. hence the reason for it being hypothetical... And screaming at me is not going to make me listen...

Is it really hard to understand that people can and do make up hypothetical and not base it on reality? Why is that hard to grasp?

Darn it, there was me thinking he was ...sigh I know he isn't that is why it was made up hypothetical ( pretend ) situation ..IF he was president and IF he made a promise ( one that I made up myself ) . Nothing was real.. Holy crackers..lol

Yea holy crackers to you too, lol. He did ask for immediate forgiveness about the screaming. Besides, it's only text and politics brew passion and this is what you have to forward to if you want to keep visiting the political forums. Just sayin'. I get the hypothetical part but maybe I'm too much of a realist to give you what you're looking for. Aside from that if I were President and I made big promises that I actually kept and they didn't work out so well I would like to think I'd man up and be professional about it and humble myself and tell the country the what's and why's of how things went wrong. Same if I couldn't keep a promise. I would say that maybe I got ahead of myself and once I got behind my desk and seen things I was maybe unaware of that would impede on the course I'd hope to take I would once again like to think I'd tell the truth instead of beating around the bush or pushing something through that may not work out of pure stubbornness and self-righteousness. Honesty goes a long way but I'm being most hypothetical of all talking about truth and honesty in politics. So that's all I got for ya there...

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I get the hypothetical part but maybe I'm too much of a realist to give you what you're looking for.

Even as a realist, and most of us are, you should be able to understand what made up pretend hypothetical scenarios are.. They are not meant to lean on the reality.. I can understand that

It's kind of like saying to someone - Pretend you are a superhero and you are in a certain situation with aliens.. what would you do? The answer comes back - But I am not a superhero and I see no evidence for aliens, .. Then they go on and on about other things in real life.. That tells me that they cannot understand the meaning of pretend / made up hypothetical example.. No imagination what so ever

I already know the government has not got the money to do what I suggested.. But my point was not to base it on that..Hence hypothetical examples made up.. I actually thought you personally would have seen what I was saying and how I was not basing it on reality..Being a realist is one thing, but being able to read and understand what people are trying to say is another.. It boils down to reading and comprehension skills..

Aside from that if I were President and I made big promises that I actually kept and they didn't work out so well I would like to think I'd man up and be professional about it and humble myself and tell the country the what's and why's of how things went wrong. Same if I couldn't keep a promise. I would say that maybe I got ahead of myself and once I got behind my desk and seen things I was maybe unaware of that would impede on the course I'd hope to take I would once again like to think I'd tell the truth instead of beating around the bush or pushing something through that may not work out of pure stubbornness and self-righteousness.

This is the sort of answer I expected from joc... I expected him to say IF I did make such a promise I would have to do this and that.. Instead I got the complete opposite..and he got two likes for misunderstanding my point and going on about reality lol

Honesty goes a long way but I'm being most hypothetical of all talking about truth and honesty in politics. So that's all I got for ya there...

That is funny..Brilliant line if ever I read one on politics :P

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I like you but you can be exhausting. I have plenty of imagination. I just maybe take politics too seriously to play around. Also, I have plenty of reading and comprehension skills. I feel like what you're asking for is a homework assignment. That's fine and I did butt into yours and Jocs conversation. I'm all about conversing and exchanging ideas. I just have too much else on my mind to do any homework. I run a business and its consuming and I actually have to get back to business for a while. Don't take any offense. Maybe I'm just cranky or misjudging. I'll let you and Joc get back to it.

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You are correct it doesn't and will not ever make you feel better, but at times anger is something we tend to unleash..We are not perfect.

Just to add something different .- Do you think that it is right ( for example ) If people who hate this man, to use what they read from the media on line, and it could be fake news, but because of their hate, they are willing to believe any old clap trap they read, due to holding so much hate to begin with....Is it right to do that? OR is it more sensible to at least look and check facts first before adding more to their hate ?

Oh of course. Every time Ive read something or heard something that I just reacted to, with out finding all the info I could, I end up with egg on my face. It doesnt happen often, but it has happened. Though I do feel its important to meantion one thing. I have often seen people dismiss a certain news source cause they dont like what that source reports. Not because it isnt true, but because it doesnt go along with thier world view. Another thing is, when you begin to dig into who owns main stream media, and who finaces them, well lets just say you can run into a lot of conflicting interest type situations. Cause they are main stream, they shape alot of peoples opinnions. Often not in a truthful way.

Would that be because you would feel that holding on to the hate is not healthy or good for them.. You would rather they found peace ?

No question. Even medical science would tell you the same, there is no denieing that. But at the same time, like you said, when someone, or something is threating your childrens chance to have at least what you had growing up, then that threat must be met with resistance.Now dont get me wrong BM, Id dont spend all day everyday consuming myself in regards to the coruption that infests our political system. I come here to inform, and be informed. And to blow off a little steam. What is happening to this country is no small matter. It can no longer be taken lightly. Even on a spiritual level. I will explain more later in this post.

And it doesn't stop people from using the media to put out whatever they want people to believe... And further more, many who dislike the media, forget themselves and wind up cherry picking what they want to believe the media says about certain folks they hate... Its a case of ( for many people ) I don't like the media, but if they publish something I want to hear, then its hunky dory ..

No argument here.

The news ( on TV ) is all I would pay attention to...And I haven't heard that before...

Be thankful you didnt, cause it was ridiculas. One CNN reporter went as far as to say that socialism is the new N word. Another went up to a black person that was attending one of the tea parties and asked if he felt uncomfortable being there. There are tons of examples.

I agree with that.......Please read the rest in full before you respond if you wish to...The reason why I questioned you, is because the emotions you were constantly expressing, I thought - That doesn't sound like the preacherman I know and like on the other boards.. So I asked myself, what possible cause has happened for him to feel so badly? ....... I always saw you as someone true to the faith so much you would not allow yourself to get in such a state ( bare in mind I am not saying you are not true to the faith you have ) .... That you are the type of guy who would ( like you said previously ) you would help others who felt the same way ..You noted how you would give advice and do what you could to help them..But before you go to say anything, I need to point out that, you are only human, and when things in life you feel that are important to you ( like your rights and freedom ) are threatened, then naturally you will get annoyed and feel sad by it, and it can bring out the worst in anyone at times.. This Preacherman is very much understandable.. ..IF I didn't know of you, and all I read were your angry posts on this end of the board, then I would think, he is an angry person.. BUT because I know more of you, I don't think that.. Can you see where I am coming from? So again I must point out and lay the emphasis on - What you go through, the emotions you feel are very understandable, so many like you, and I am sure you all hate feeling like that.. I just hope someday you all find something to help you feel better..You are a likeable easy going person..

Well I think the folks who were standing around the temple the day that Jesus came and saw him in anger turn over the money tables and chase the thiefs out might have said that he was an angry person as well, if thats all they ever saw of him. It doesnt make what he did wrong or unjust. This fight to me isnt just political but very much spiritual as well. I believe we live in the end of days the bible speaks about. According to it, the anti christ cant be revealed till the holy spirit is taken out of the way. That same holy spirit found in every true believer. That is what makes the believer, according to scripture, the salt and light of the world. Now obviously like you pointed out, I am just a man. So the way in which I do anything will be found flawed in his eyes.

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I like you but you can be exhausting.

I am one who will ask so many questions, and I like to see what answers I get.. I learn a lot.and I admit, it does help..That may be exhausting for some people like yourself ( as you just noted ) but it means I am trying to take great interest in them and what they have to say...I am doing something that Obama ( by the sounds of it ) doesn't do.. Listen, answer, ask and act on lol........

I have plenty of reading and comprehension skills.

I am talking about reading exactly what I am saying, and understanding what I am putting out there.. Like the hypothetical made up scenario.. You have to admit, you did say you are too much of a realist to do that.. If you understood straight away what I was meaning and trying to do, you would have said so first time round.. You may have said - I am a realist but I understand that the scenario you insert is just made up.. so my answer would be...... and so on ..But at first,( when you first tackled me ) that is not what happened.. I think it is more to do with wires being crossed..

I feel like what you're asking for is a homework assignment.

Well it wasn't that bad, because you did in the end answer it easy enough ..The answer you gave was the kind of thing I was expecting from joc...

That's fine and I did butt into yours and Jocs conversation.

You have a right to butt in at any time.. Its an open forum... It does make it harder for me, but I do not have a problem with you or anyone butting in.. You do after all put up so many intelligent posts ..If you were a bit of a plonker, I would ignore your butting in .. But you are not a plonker, so butt in any time you like ... :P

I run a business and its consuming and I actually have to get back to business for a while.

Same as myself.. But lately I have been used to answer phones all day every day...So I take some time to the computer ...Until 6pm then I have more to do at home.. Thats when the kids come back..and its all go go go again..Although usually I have my little one at home with me.. When he naps I get time to myself

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I am one who will ask so many questions, and I like to see what answers I get.. I learn a lot.and I admit, it does help..That may be exhausting for some people like yourself ( as you just noted ) but it means I am trying to take great interest in them and what they have to say...I am doing something that Obama ( by the sounds of it ) doesn't do.. Listen, answer, ask and act on lol........

Not a problem.

I am talking about reading exactly what I am saying, and understanding what I am putting out there.. Like the hypothetical made up scenario.. You have to admit, you did say you are too much of a realist to do that.. If you understood straight away what I was meaning and trying to do, you would have said so first time round.. You may have said - I am a realist but I understand that the scenario you insert is just made up.. so my answer would be...... and so on ..But at first,( when you first tackled me ) that is not what happened.. I think it is more to do with wires being crossed..

You're right. I could do it but it does cross my wires to the point that I won't if I don't really have to.

Well it wasn't that bad, because you did in the end answer it easy enough ..The answer you gave was the kind of thing I was expecting from joc...

You have a right to butt in at any time.. Its an open forum... It does make it harder for me, but I do not have a problem with you or anyone butting in.. You do after all put up so many intelligent posts ..If you were a bit of a plonker, I would ignore your butting in .. But you are not a plonker, so butt in any time you like ... :P

I will add plonker to my vocabulary.

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You always been a thorn in the side of people. I see you throughout multiple threads ruining your reputation, becoming labeled a liar and a person who is living in a bubble. Can't say anyone is trying to tear you down, you are tearing yourself down before everyone, without them even have to bring in any facts.

Yep I love to poke conservatives and Republicans. I didn't know I had a "reputation", or label a liar - where was that? Your last statement applies to you more than me. I usually always include facts and sources.

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Some things are just unspoken yet well known. Similar to an elephant in the room. You don't need to say anything for everyone to know there's an elephant. Welcome to the room Babar.

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I thought it was a Pinocchio. The more drivel and lies he told his nose would grow longer. Or is that in a different thread.

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Yea, that was QM schooling me on Pinochet in a different thread.

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Instead of screaming.. Tell me from the post below what part of - This is an example actually escaped you? take an another look ..

I have now laid the emphasis on the fact it was just a hypothetical example made up.. It was not in any way trying to state something that can be done... Surely by now you should know that when someone makes up an example it should be treated as hypothetical ? You are not the president and that is not a real situation for you, again I must stress it was just made up.... The task was to see how you would deal with things IF you made a promise ( in the hypothetical sense ) of your own as the president.. All I get is you screaming like a mad person over something that is just a made up example.. Screamed at for petes sake? .. Next time you wish to challenge me, cut the screaming nonsense out and try and understand simple - Examples can be hypothetical..And it was clear my example was made up as hypothetical ........ As for making a big mistake. looks to me like you went to do just that by ignoring the fact it was a made up example..

From seeing how you lack greatly on what is hypothetical and you scream at me like it is true... I see no point in addressing anything more you have to say, because clearly you just don't get it.. Anyone else who did understand it was hypothetical would say - Well If I where the president and I made such a promise I would have to blah blah .. ..

No, I didn't miss the example...I think you missed my humor and sarcasm with the screaming thing though...my bad!

It doesn't really matter whether it is an example or not...the premise is all wrong...that is what I was addressing.

God, do I really need smiley faces everytime I crack a joke?! Okay, I guess I do... :passifier:

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It doesn't really matter whether it is an example or not...the premise is all wrong...that is what I was addressing.

Yes it does matter, it matters a lot.. When something is put forward ashypothetical and made up, not basing on reality as it pushes away from reality, that's the idea, as I already know what the reality was ( and it doesn't need to be based on reality either) then it should be understood as such...

If I were to say - Hypothetically, pretend the government hasn't got the money to do this and that ...... That would be a tad pointless calling it hypothetical, because that wouldn't be hypothetical it would be reality. What I put to you was not reality and not meant to be.. If you do not like it, and can't challenge it, then don't touch it.... it's as simple as that..

Okay, I guess I do... :passifier:

Perfect for you.. Keep it..

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Yes it does matter, it matters a lot.. When something is put forward as hypothetical and made up, not basing on reality, ( and it doesn't need to be based on reality either) then it should be understood as such..If you do not like it, and can't challenge it, then don't touch it.... it's as simple as that..

Perfect for you.. Keep it..

But....and....hypotheticals are based on truth. Without Truth as an ingredient the hypothetical is non-sensical...I'm not saying yours was, it wasn't...that's my point...it was based on Truth...but...what I was really commenting on was not the hypothetical as much as I was a certain 'premise' that I don't accept. And that premise is that Government owns all money. Now, you didn't say that...you didn't even mention that...and I never entered into this discussion to argue with you about anything...I really am trying to 'educate' you as to what is really going on in this country.

And when I was 'screaming' Beckys_Mom, I wasn't 'screaming' at you....;)...I was screaming as making a point about my frustration with the whole idea that we have to 'pay for' tax-cuts. It's my money. I shouldn't have to pay anyone to keep it.

The nut-shell of the problem here (in America) is that we have elected people we trusted to do the right thing and they have sold us down a river for their own profit. There isn't a way to fix it because now the Government is in the position of writing Laws for themselves and writing Laws for Us...the 'little' people in 'fly over' country.

But...

If I were President. I would have a Meeting with the People from the Oval Office. I would hold in front of the cameras a Veto Pen and say...No new taxes...Don't just read my lips...read my Veto Pen! And I would tell Congress that before I would sign another Law that it would be free of Pork, lower taxes on all Americans across the board...and...freeze spending levels on ALL entitlements for a period of 2 years. That would be part of the budget, and if they didn't want to play hard ball with me. I would let the Government shut down and let the chips fall where they bloody well please...and that is Exactly what I would tell them.

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But....and....hypotheticals are based on truth.

Not always, many are made up not based on reality at all.. Like if you were rich and always have been, and I put it to you - Hypothetical lets say you were not rich and you had to do such and such.. Then that is not basing it on the reality of your life as you know it, it is trying to get you to look at something different.. ..... Not all hypothetical scenarios must be based on reality.as you see it.. Many are put out as make believe on things that do not exist..

It would be pointless to say - Hypothetically, lets say you are the president and you haven't the money to do this and that.. The reason why that is pointless, is because the reality is true there is no money..The only pretend part of that is you are not really the president..

And when I was 'screaming' Beckys_Mom, I wasn't 'screaming' at you.... ;)...I was screaming as making a point about my frustration with the whole idea that we have to 'pay for' tax-cuts.

But the reality of how things are was not what I was trying to put out... As for the screaming.. I pictured you sitting in front of me doing that and how weird it would look lol.. Forget the screaming, the point is.. the situation was not meant to be real, it was just made up as hypothetical, nothing more.. The idea was to imagine a different situation ( unlike the current one that is reality ) and imagine you making a promise, what would you do about it..?

The nut-shell of the problem here (in America) is that we have elected people we trusted to do the right thing and they have sold us down a river for their own profit

If I heard that about any government, it would not surprise me the slightest..

If I were President. I would have a Meeting with the People from the Oval Office. I would hold in front of the cameras a Veto Pen and say...No new taxes...Don't just read my lips...read my Veto Pen! And I would tell Congress that before I would sign another Law that it would be free of Pork, lower taxes on all Americans across the board...and...freeze spending levels on ALL entitlements for a period of 2 years. That would be part of the budget, and if they didn't want to play hard ball with me. I would let the Government shut down and let the chips fall where they bloody well please...and that is Exactly what I would tell them.

OK, but what is - be free of pork.?. And, what do you mean by freeze spending levels on all enlistments for a period of two years ? ..I am just curious of what that means..

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Hey Becky's Mom. Pork is basically a personal bonus to passing a bill, it is used to entice our government to pass the bill. Let's say I have this spare amount of money and I really wanted this bill passed, I add this spare amount of money towards things that the government wants to improve the odds the bill will be passed. President Obama has used this tactic many times over, he is basically bloating our spending to pass bills that are very unpopular. We are being sold out by our politicians for personal bonuses on bills, which basically tells me the government has no moral compass at the moment.

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Many of our politicians do this. If you put X in the Bill for my constituents (usually big industry in there homestates) Ill sign the Bill.

Then we the taxpayers get to pay for it.

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Hey Becky's Mom. Pork is basically a personal bonus to passing a bill, it is used to entice our government to pass the bill. Let's say I have this spare amount of money and I really wanted this bill passed, I add this spare amount of money towards things that the government wants to improve the odds the bill will be passed. President Obama has used this tactic many times over, he is basically bloating our spending to pass bills that are very unpopular. We are being sold out by our politicians for personal bonuses on bills, which basically tells me the government has no moral compass at the moment.

Right, so that's what it means.. Thank you.. I had asked this in another thread too, and saw no answer, but thankfully you have it cleared up ..

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OK, but what is - be free of pork.?. And, what do you mean by freeze spending levels on all enlistments for a period of two years ? ..I am just curious of what that means..

What Congressman do typically is add 'pork' to every bill. Let's say the Bill is: No one under 25 can buy liquor. As a Senator I will add a little sumpin', sumpin' to the end of the bill. It will now read: No one under 25 can buy liquor. $875,000 will be appropriated for bridge and canal work in Bohunk, My State. So, the people living in Bohunk, My State will think I'm great because I, 'brought home the bacon'....hence the word...'pork'. So, I would have all bills be Pork Free...no added spending for this Senator's state, etc.

What I said was....'freeze spending levels on ALL entitlements for a period of 2 years.' An 'entitlement' is something that people feel 'entitled' to have. Like, I worked and payed Unemployment Tax...I am entitled to draw unemployment. Entitlements in this country is basically anything you get from the government...housing, welfare checks, food stamps, social security, unemployment, disability, etc.

What the Democrats do is try to increase the size of the entitlement by...let's say, 8%. The Republicans will say, That is outrageous we don't have the money...but we will compromise and raise it 4% across the board. Then the Democrats go all over the Media on all the Sunday shows telling the people how the Republicans want to CUT entitlements. So, I would freeze all increases in entitlements. Let's say you get $300 a month in government assistance. I would freeze it at that level for 2 years. You wouldn't get less than $300 but you wouldn't get more either. That's the only way to really have a budget and keep things real. But...no one is ever going to keep anything 'real' in Washington.

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