Big Bad Voodoo Posted January 17, 2013 #1 Share Posted January 17, 2013 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted January 17, 2013 Author #2 Share Posted January 17, 2013 http://ufos.about.com/od/ufohistory/a/ruwa.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quillius Posted January 17, 2013 #3 Share Posted January 17, 2013 this should be fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetpumper Posted January 17, 2013 #4 Share Posted January 17, 2013 They expect us to believe they have sodas and candies in Zimbabwe? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supervike Posted January 17, 2013 #5 Share Posted January 17, 2013 As soon as I heard the name 'John Mack', I lost interest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quillius Posted January 17, 2013 #6 Share Posted January 17, 2013 As soon as I heard the name 'John Mack', I lost interest. please do elaborate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetpumper Posted January 17, 2013 #7 Share Posted January 17, 2013 please do elaborate Don't you know by now that anyone that immerses himself in a subject like UFOs and abductions is nothing but a kook and should simply be ignored? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBunker Posted January 17, 2013 #8 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I have a question.... Is there any other "evidence" than just someone telling a story in this matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DONTEATUS Posted January 17, 2013 #9 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Whens the book due out ? Just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildchild41 Posted January 17, 2013 #10 Share Posted January 17, 2013 The girl in the video... She said she thinks that the "aliens" were telling her not to get to technologed. Remember here, the aliens arrive in SPACE SHIPS.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted January 17, 2013 Author #11 Share Posted January 17, 2013 please do elaborate Because he was only one who investigate those kids. Some people like all under carpet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted January 17, 2013 Author #12 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I have a question.... Is there any other "evidence" than just someone telling a story in this matter? Yes laser gun which little grey passed to children. Every children gets one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted January 17, 2013 #13 Share Posted January 17, 2013 (edited) Well I must say that I have more faith in what I hear from 62 kids than I do from the U.S. Gov't on this matter. I see nothing wrong with John Mack investigating this. I do,... I would have chosen someone a little more skeptical. Incredibly, just a few years later in 1996, my fear that Mack did not understand the hoaxer dynamic came true! One of Mack’s former patients, Donna Bassett, admitted to a NOVA television documentary team in Boston that she had made up the alien and UFO encounters that she had once told Dr. Mack. She based her story on her understanding of what others had said and written about the abduction phenomenon. Mack had never suspected it. He was entirely “taken in” by the woman’s fabrication. THE FABRICATION OF ALIEN ABDUCTION: MY CONVERSATONS WITH DR. JOHN MACK by Anthony Bragalia http://ufocon.blogsp...duction-my.html Edited January 17, 2013 by Hazzard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampgasBalloonBoy Posted January 18, 2013 #14 Share Posted January 18, 2013 I do,... I would have chosen someone a little more skeptical. Incredibly, just a few years later in 1996, my fear that Mack did not understand the hoaxer dynamic came true! One of Mack’s former patients, Donna Bassett, admitted to a NOVA television documentary team in Boston that she had made up the alien and UFO encounters that she had once told Dr. Mack. She based her story on her understanding of what others had said and written about the abduction phenomenon. Mack had never suspected it. He was entirely “taken in” by the woman’s fabrication. THE FABRICATION OF ALIEN ABDUCTION: MY CONVERSATONS WITH DR. JOHN MACK by Anthony Bragalia http://ufocon.blogsp...duction-my.html Do you have hard evidence showing the women is telling the truth this time? If she lied the first time, why should we trust her? All we have is her words that she lied? I need hard evidence, dammit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2F Posted January 18, 2013 #15 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Do you have hard evidence showing the women is telling the truth this time? If she lied the first time, why should we trust her? All we have is her words that she lied? I need hard evidence, dammit! In an 'either or' scenario then one of her stories has to be correct. Flip a coin? Either way it does cast enough doubt on her original tale that it shouldn't be taken at face value without corroborating evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampgasBalloonBoy Posted January 18, 2013 #16 Share Posted January 18, 2013 In an 'either or' scenario then one of her stories has to be correct. Flip a coin? Either way it does cast enough doubt on her original tale that it shouldn't be taken at face value without corroborating evidence. No one should believe a known liar without hard evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2F Posted January 18, 2013 #17 Share Posted January 18, 2013 No one should believe a known liar without hard evidence Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 18, 2013 #18 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Because he was only one who investigate those kids. Some people like all under carpet. John Mack has an interesting take on Abduction. He originally was of the opinion that Abductions are a mental disease, I am not entirely convinced that deep down he ever let go of that idea. He came around to a more benign ideal, simply because upon examination, he personally could not find an anomaly in scans taken of certain subjects. Macks take on Abduction is that it is Spiritual, not physical. The BBC have quoted Mack saying: "I would never say, yes, there are aliens taking people. [but] I would say there is a compelling powerful phenomenon here that I can't account for in any other way, that's mysterious. Yet I can't know what it is but it seems to me that it invites a deeper, further inquiry." He does not appear to be of the opinion that spaceships are landing and actually taking people, but this is somehow happening in peoples heads. This case as you might have suspected has been discussed quite often here. I believe reasonable explanations exist, but few are prepared to ask hard questions because the witnesses are children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 18, 2013 #19 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Well I must say that I have more faith in what I hear from 62 kids than I do from the U.S. Gov't on this matter. I see nothing wrong with John Mack investigating this. What does the US Government have to do with an African School? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 18, 2013 #20 Share Posted January 18, 2013 In an 'either or' scenario then one of her stories has to be correct. Flip a coin? Either way it does cast enough doubt on her original tale that it shouldn't be taken at face value without corroborating evidence. I do not think anone was lying. I have not got enough time to gather enough information, But i believe the children saw electrical workers repairing faults on the grid system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2F Posted January 18, 2013 #21 Share Posted January 18, 2013 (edited) I do not think anone was lying. I have not got enough time to gather enough information, But i believe the children saw electrical workers repairing faults on the grid system. I was merely referring to the Donna Bassett story that Hazz linked to where she fooled Mack with a fictional abduction story. Or not, depending on which version you adhere to. I haven't looked into the school kids in Africa case much so I haven't made up my mind about it yet. It sounds like other than the testimony there isn't much to it. Edited January 18, 2013 by Slave2Fate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 18, 2013 #22 Share Posted January 18, 2013 I was merely referring to the Donna Bassett story that Hazz linked to where she fooled Mack with a fictional abduction story. Or not, depending on which version you adhere to. I haven't looked into the school kids in Africa case much so I haven't made up my mind about it yet. It sounds like other than the testimony there isn't much to it. Opps sorry mate my bad! I still think it was arrogant of Mack to write of a mental possibility, only because he did not find it himself. If we all adopted that attitude, Tombaugh would never have found Pluto. The School kid story is always handled with kid gloves, so it's a bit annoying to discuss. People always get upset with "how can you accuse an innocent child of lying!!!" all the while not realising nor understanding that misinterpretation is also an avenue. They all drew pictures, and while kids do draw things "as they see them" I still think it pays to consider that they do not look even similar for the most of it. The best ones look a great deal like Jupiter2 from Lost In Space. A great deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quillius Posted January 18, 2013 #23 Share Posted January 18, 2013 L, try having a look through this thread, Psyche and I did do quite a bit of research and there is a lot of intersting info dug up....and I am sure there is much more. http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=217232&st=135 maybe also look into Michael Hesemann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quillius Posted January 18, 2013 #24 Share Posted January 18, 2013 I have a question.... Is there any other "evidence" than just someone telling a story in this matter? such as? Because he was only one who investigate those kids. Some people like all under carpet. He wasnt the only one L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted January 18, 2013 #25 Share Posted January 18, 2013 I do not think anone was lying. I have not got enough time to gather enough information, But i believe the children saw electrical workers repairing faults on the grid system. Interesting,... Whenever you have the time, Im looking forward to the the rest, psyche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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