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Best evidence for ET visitation - 4th edition

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Back on task though...

Owls? That seems like one of those 'outlandish' explanations that the believers always blame the skeptics for. Although it does seem to fit the descriptions fairly well I have a bit of a hard time thinking that at least one person wouldn't notice wings? The report stated that there were no exterior lights so that could be a factor too though what about any sounds? I would think some uppity owls would at least make some kind of describable noise? Surely an odd case though I don't have anything to rebut the owl angle with.

From the Skeptiod link, the explanation is laid out a little better, and from what I can tell, there are so many embellishments, they could just about have been heifers. The CSI link is more focused on explaining Nickell's hypothesis. To be perfectly frank, I too raised an eyebrow when I first heard it, I double checked for Quintanilla's name on it LOL, but when we consider that just about all the story is embellished, it seems plausible.

It's one possibility I figure. No worse than shining green tiny annoying aliens that look like Goblins from our folk tales :D

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"One of the first things that struck me about this case is that there has never been any plausible reason to connect the bright light streaking overhead with the creatures." That's fair enough, it's very typical to put two different things together and assume that they must be related, but really, an aggressive pair of the local Great Horned Owls, which do stand about 2/3 of a meter tall? That's grasping for a Rational explanation, isn't it. If they don't know what it might possibly have been, then there's no shame in saying that, but trying to grasp for any explanation that comes to mind does smack of desperation slightly, doesn't it.

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"One of the first things that struck me about this case is that there has never been any plausible reason to connect the bright light streaking overhead with the creatures." That's fair enough, it's very typical to put two different things together and assume that they must be related, but really, an aggressive pair of the local Great Horned Owls, which do stand about 2/3 of a meter tall? That's grasping for a Rational explanation, isn't it. If they don't know what it might possibly have been, then there's no shame in saying that, but trying to grasp for any explanation that comes to mind does smack of desperation slightly, doesn't it.

I though it was quite outlandish to begin with too. However, the alternative is not a great deal better.

I would invite all those who do not feel the explanation is satisfactory to pull out any part, lay it next to an aspect of the Hopkinsville encounter, and explain why it is not plausible. Hell if we do get a reasonable and well thought out response, I will email it to Joe Nickell myself.

Have you ever seen an agressive bird, like A Rooster? They are pretty nasty, and rather bloody tactical b*******.

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I was thinking (on a trip to the loo...it happens, and I'll spare the details) that if there were owls nesting in the area then why an isolated event? I would think that it would be a fairly regular occurrence. However if the owls were new to the area, scouting for a decent nesting place then it makes a little more sense. The owls would find a promising spot to 'set up shop' so to speak and then proceed to run off any ne're-do-wells before laying the golden egg. In that case, seeing how they couldn't chase off the current tenants and the safety of junior was in question they likely move on to a more promising locale. In my humble opinion at least.

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I was thinking (on a trip to the loo...it happens, and I'll spare the details)

Well, I hope, that in the end, everything came out allright for you.

that if there were owls nesting in the area then why an isolated event? I would think that it would be a fairly regular occurrence. However if the owls were new to the area, scouting for a decent nesting place then it makes a little more sense. The owls would find a promising spot to 'set up shop' so to speak and then proceed to run off any ne're-do-wells before laying the golden egg. In that case, seeing how they couldn't chase off the current tenants and the safety of junior was in question they likely move on to a more promising locale. In my humble opinion at least.

I have little experience with Owls, I have sen a few, but they are not exactly overrunning the area I live in, nothing like Futurama apparently.

But here, we get Magpie season, the Maggies will attack people viciously during nesting season. So will minors, Currawongs, heaps of them. Do you, or anyone I guess, know if Owls have a period whereby they become fiercely territorial like this?

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Well, I hope, that in the end, everything came out allright for you.

I have little experience with Owls, I have sen a few, but they are not exactly overrunning the area I live in, nothing like Futurama apparently.

But here, we get Magpie season, the Maggies will attack people viciously during nesting season. So will minors, Currawongs, heaps of them. Do you, or anyone I guess, know if Owls have a period whereby they become fiercely territorial like this?

As far as I know they can become territorial (even somewhat dangerous from what I've heard) when it's time to nest with an egg however I'm not anywhere near an authority on, well any feathered animal honestly.

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I'd have though that living in a rural area, they'd be familiar with Owls and their ways of behaviour.

Anyway, as has been discussed bfeore, we know that Owls are themselves often a cover for encounters with ETs, aren't they, at least according to some of the more imaginative theories.

So maybe it's a double bluff? They were Owles, but they were themselves a cover for something more Sinister. :passifier:

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I'd have though that living in a rural area, they'd be familiar with Owls and their ways of behaviour.

Anyway, as has been discussed bfeore, we know that Owls are themselves often a cover for encounters with ETs, aren't they, at least according to some of the more imaginative theories.

So maybe it's a double bluff? They were Owles, but they were themselves a cover for something more Sinister. :passifier:

They were government disinformation agents. Outer Worlds Liaison Specialists.

:w00t: What a hoot!

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Check out the 1983 Sospèl southeastern, France case where a person was shown holographic projections of past human civlizations.

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....there were now these other "extraterrestrials" present. Three of them were holding black balls in their bands. And now, upon the fog, there began to pass a series of images about 3 m. high. And soon the entire history of the Earth had been related, from Prehistory right up to the Second World War! Mme X saw "real films", retracing all our wars. Now the images would pass in procession, and now they would halt and remain stationary, like the images thrown by a projector. The dominant colour was sepia. When Mme X said that she wasn't interested in wars, the entities told her that conflicts are all that our Earth knows, and that they themselves only know this planet in that light. The witness continued to watch the images as they passed before her. When one entity had finished pointing his black ball, another took over and started projecting, to the right, or to the left, so that at one moment Mme X feared she would develop a crick in the neck. The black halls emitted no beams of light. When the projection was finished, Mme X went into the house again, accompanied by the four entities. Her husband was still asleep, and the dogs had not stirred. She attempted to ask some questions — on matters of interest to her, and of interest to scientists — about Time, about distances, and about other such matters. Their only reply in every case was to say that she would not he able to unclerstand. She also asked why her visitors were "all men". They replied that sometimes women do occompany Men, but not on this occasion....

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TSR, if you are claiming to be a researcher, you will know that it is very impolite (at best..) not to provide a citation/source.

At worst.. well, let's just say it isn't good...

I presume that wasn't YOUR text and image. So CITE them properly.

This isn't the first time, I note.

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UFO hall of shame - http://www.ufowatchd...ll_of_shame.htm

Be aware if any one of these guys are trying to sell you something.

Edited by Hazzard

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UFO hall of shame - http://www.ufowatchd...ll_of_shame.htm

Be aware if any one of these guys are trying to sell you something.

I still haven't figured out why good, ole Friedman isn't on that list as well, but rather in the Hall of Fame. Mind boggling to say the least.

Cheers,

Badeskov

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They do seem to be generous to mr. Friedman.

"Nuclear Physicist, Noted Roswell UFO Investigator, "Father of Roswell"

Discovered Roswell UFO case in 1978, a fearless proponent of UFOs, has often made fools of many skeptics in UFO debates. Veteran UFO investigator who termed the phrase 'Cosmic Watergate'. Friedman uses science and common sense in his investigations. You don't have to be sensationalistic when you have as much class as Friedman.-RMIII

Friedman has traditionally been a 'Nuts & Bolts' guy in favor of the ETH-The Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis that states UFOs are physical alien spaceships from other stars. Only recently has he acknowledged the possibility of an inter-dimensional aspect to the phenomenon.

Friedman is also heavily involved in the Majestic 12 Documents issue. Although he was first to decry some of them as hoaxes, he has steadfastly adhered to the view that some of them are real and that they represent a real committee and that there is a US government cover up of events at Roswell in 1947."

:unsure2:

They say "Coming Soon!" in green for a lot of them, but as it doesn't seem to have been update since 2009 we seem to have a while to wait. :(

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Friedman pretty much "invented" the Roswell legend..... just like Charles Blitz "invented" the Bermuda triangle myth.

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Waht will be ,will be ! E.T or not ! I would start fingering our where your next drop of water is going to come from,and Whom`s going to Use a AR-15 on you to get it !

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Another thread of crap responses by clueless people.

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topsecretresearch, I politely asked you to properly CITE this post.

Are you refusing to do so?

Edited by Chrlzs

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Another thread of crap responses by clueless people.

If you were expecting a pat on the back for shoveling drivel then yes, I can see why you would feel that way.

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Another thread of crap responses by clueless people.

Yeah, we have noticed - but that is what you seem to excel in. Mindlessly posting drivel....

Cheers,

Badeskov

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Another thread of crap responses by clueless people.

As opposed to posting random and seemingly unrelated pictures, with no attempt at all to put any context on them and explain what you might be trying to suggest?

Edited by Lord Vetinari

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Back on task though...

Owls? That seems like one of those 'outlandish' explanations that the believers always blame the skeptics for. Although it does seem to fit the descriptions fairly well I have a bit of a hard time thinking that at least one person wouldn't notice wings? The report stated that there were no exterior lights so that could be a factor too though what about any sounds? I would think some uppity owls would at least make some kind of describable noise? Surely an odd case though I don't have anything to rebut the owl angle with.

Hold the front page! This story just today! http://travel.aol.co.uk/2013/01/25/man-treated-hospital-owl-attack-scotland/

See, they can be tricky blighters, Owls.

* That story is rich in symbolism in itself, isn't it; John Mackay, 58, from Inverness-shire, was heading towards a masonic club with his friends on Saturday, when the two-foot-high eagle owl attacked, and he woke up on the floor with blood pouring from his head.

A Masonic club? And we know all about the Illuminati and their giant Owl, don't we. There's got to be some deep meaningfulness there. :unsure2:

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How does a given witness transform the prosaic into the miraculous? What are the psychological processes operating in a normal person by which this transmutation is to be accomplished?

Why We See Things That Aren’t Really There - http://www.csicop.or...he_unexplained/

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Friedman pretty much "invented" the Roswell legend..... just like Charles Blitz "invented" the Bermuda triangle myth.

Making money off the gullible has never been a problem. http://www.jimwilliamsbooks.com/HowToBeACharlatanSample.htm

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Well, the 1993 Cossford triangle case then - oh wait... i think that's a man made (prob US) vehicle like TR 3B...

This isn't easy! Sorry Hazz

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Well, the 1993 Cossford triangle case then - oh wait... i think that's a man made (prob US) vehicle like TR 3B...

This isn't easy! Sorry Hazz

I doubt that very much. Cosford isn't exactly Area 51; it hasn't been an operational base for a good few years, it's right next to a Railway station, and and in fact it houses a branch of the RAF Museum, so it's fairly publicly accessible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Cosford Although fans of war movies may be rather excited to see that it is currently the base of 633 Squadron: No 633 Volunteer Gliding Squadron, at any rate.

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