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Will Robots Eventually Steal All Of Our Jobs?

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http://www.activistpost.com/2013/02/rise-of-droids-will-robots-eventually.html

Will a robot take your job? We have entered a period in human history when technology is advancing at an exponential rate. In some ways, this has been a great blessing for humanity. For example, I am absolutely blown away by all of the things that my little iPod can do. But on the other hand, all of this technology is eliminating millions upon millions of high paying jobs.

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will the next war be fought against robots/drones ?

every job that can be done without human hands is scheduled to be implemented. The unemployed are not counted anymore accurately..well because they have been unemployed so long. If you have a job you work less then 32 hours a week so your company can avoid certain draconian taxes. The average wage has dropped a huge percentage in the past 10 years. Middle income jobs were replaced with low income jobs only. If you do not fit into this category you are one of the lucky ones. Open your eyes enough to see most are not so fortunate.

Yes we are on our way to terminator

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Of course robots will steal all our jobs; that is what socialism is for, since when that happens we will need a different way to distribute goods and services other than through markets. It appears to be a long way in the future though.

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Great article. As robots replace workers, who is going to have the money to buy the products the robots produce?

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Those that do not understand history are doomed to repeat its mistakes. Thanks for the link. was a good read.

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Of course robots will steal all our jobs; that is what socialism is for, since when that happens we will need a different way to distribute goods and services other than through markets. It appears to be a long way in the future though.

I dont consider within my childs lifetime to be a long ways off.

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If it happens that soon your child will be lucky; he or she will not have to worry about making a living and can instead do things for pleasure or personal improvement.

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I dont think thats how it works in America. But I understand what your saying. And I like that vision.

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Will a robot take your job? We have entered a period in human history when technology is advancing at an exponential rate. In some ways, this has been a great blessing for humanity. For example, I am absolutely blown away by all of the things that my little iPod can do. But on the other hand, all of this technology is eliminating millions upon millions of high paying jobs.

I personally think that we have gotten to the point where robotics can perform nearly any task in any field. The service sector was the last in this regard. We can make a machine that can make a beautiful home or car in a very short time. We can make a machine that can make a machine etc. We need to loose the monetary system all together because we have this capability and could do it without a debt based economy.

We have all the resources we need to give everyone anything they need, and to do so would supply every one without them having to work for it. Let the machines do the work while we engage in learning, growing, art, music, and enjoyment of life.

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What I would expect would be a welfare floor -- a certain basic income for everyone, with special provisions for special needs (medical costs, education, etc.). Then there would be payments made to people who achieve things, such as musicians, athletes, performers, scholars, authors, and so on -- the things that maybe a computer could do, maybe not, but in any case people would be preferred.

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What I would expect would be a welfare floor -- a certain basic income for everyone, with special provisions for special needs (medical costs, education, etc.). Then there would be payments made to people who achieve things, such as musicians, athletes, performers, scholars, authors, and so on -- the things that maybe a computer could do, maybe not, but in any case people would be preferred.

Thats the basics. But if we evolve as a society its going to take more then simple paragraph to create equality.. But as it stands we are going the opposite the way with the robots getting the jobs and humanity getting non-compensation for the change in the socioeconomic reality of the world. It does not appear the ones installing the robots to replace human workers would agree with you. And the Govmnt is one of our biggest offenders currently. The only jobs they are preserving are there own.

One day we will make a compuetr that can make decisions based on whatever data we input for it to give a solution for and then we will not need the politicians anymore.

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Well that's not entirely correct.

IT is made for supporting, instead of replacing humans, in their daily chores.

Ppl are mainly acceptive of technology that supports the boring and repetitive tasks, so workers can in turn take on more diverse tasks and work "on a higher level" where more insight is required than assembly line kind of work. Some, mainly the older and less educated population, brings up the most resistance and fear for have to re-educate and such.

Expert systems still get quite a bit of resistence, which is still very valid in these times since computers do not possess intuition yet. For example managementsystems already exist to support manager desicions. Some can also make the decision for the manager, but this isn't used because a big part of a decision is experience. Which is not explicitly programmable. And even if every possible scenario could be put into code it would take too long for the computer to run over all the possibilities and give an answer. A person's history makes up for a big part of present decisions in his/her life and workspace. Therefore managers choose not to use this ability. In many cases the most efficient answer isn't the most wise/moral decision.

The machines taking the jobs of ppl stems from the industrial revolution and taylorism. Organisation have evolved from that stage.

Automatisation doesn't automatically lead to getting fired. Quite the contrary. With new systems, new functions arise. Most companies are also very aware of morale and know that talks of a new system scares ppl. That's why many companies ask for a design in which everyone will still be needed. Sometimes a bit of reschooling needs to happen yes. And that's the way we are headed. Less constrained tasks and more multifunctionalism. More reschooling to keep up and also don't "get stuck" in what you do.

Of course there are companies that deliberately ask for a new system so they can use it as an excuse to fire ppl, but you'll find that these are the minority. It's also very location related. (For example, in China you have a different attitude towards workers than the western world.)

See Toffler and his third wave.

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Maybe 100 years from now...

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Machines 'break' and malfunction. Quite often. (only saying)

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Thats the basics. But if we evolve as a society its going to take more then simple paragraph to create equality.. But as it stands we are going the opposite the way with the robots getting the jobs and humanity getting non-compensation for the change in the socioeconomic reality of the world. It does not appear the ones installing the robots to replace human workers would agree with you. And the Govmnt is one of our biggest offenders currently. The only jobs they are preserving are there own.

It means production will have to be socialized for this to work. Some private investment will continue for a long while, but as machines make labor more and more redundant the wealth will otherwise flow to the proprietors. This has the effect of the rich getting super-rich and everyone else being impoverished. Transitional measures to offset this via taxes and redistributions will go only so far, and then nationalization will have to happen.

Machines 'break' and malfunction. Quite often. (only saying)

Although not as often as people, and they are easier and cheaper to fix.
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There's something I never understood. Say tomorrow humanity triumphs in developing the perfect humanoid robot that can do all the work humans used to do. If everybody buys one of these, they can go to work and we get the money. Freedom for all humans. But then whose robot goes to which job to earn how much? They're all the same aren't they? And what's the point of earning money, or even paying for our own robots, we pay ourselves, it's us they do the work for. They wouldn't even need money to maintain. Built in batteries that can be recharged using solar panel stations, which they can build for themselves after a while, if one breaks down it signals to another, switches off and the other one recycles it to build another one. They do all the agricultural work, drive the trucks, run the supermarkets and restaurants, all we have left to do is eat and use the products they produce, and find something to do. They don't need money or anything, and neither do we. What for? Every product has 0 production and transportation cost. We just need attach a universal price tag on everything, and every human has so much to use every month, equally, based on the sum of all the value of all the stuff produced every month divided by the number of humans. Some will buy two small cars, others one car, a TV set, a motorboat and a PS4. You get the idea. So where does money come into the picture, meaning, why the heck would we need jobs? Sure, some would be bored and enjoy doing something useful, some would still run restaurants etc., not for the money but for the fun of it, it's what they like to do. Others would be volunteer politicians to process the votes of the people on public matters, yet others would carry on doing scientific research, because they love science, or work in hospitals because they feel useful doing some useful service that others appreciate because of the human touch. Worried about losing jobs? What jobs? There will only be hobbies left, and they can't be taken away.

edit: somebody has to produce them first of course, who will pay them? Well if it was me I wouldn't want the money for them, as you can't use it for anything. Maybe a few extra credits to start with, in that equal distribution system I told you about. And then you'd only need to build a few, from that point on they can mine, and get more raw material to build more of themselves to reach a number that we need them to reach.

One more thing. In a way, everybody should get some of those "credits". After all, as patents work, a lot of ideas will be used to build a robot. Someone probably holds a patent for AI. But even without actual existing patents, it was someone's idea, just like there was someone in human history that thought of, for example, the concept of a wire. We knew metals conduct electricity, but someone had to come up with the idea of long thin pieces of metal, and how to produce one. If that person had gotten a patent (why shouldn't they), then anyone using a metal wire should pay the descendants of the inventor. Same goes for every part, every process, every method, so the builder of the robot owes some ancestor of every living human, after all, we are here today thanks to our ancestors. Of course you could argue that eventually anyone could've thought of the concept of a wire, simply being first shouldn't give you privileges. Well, how do we know when the second person would've thought of an idea? If someone invents something today, should we give them a patent? Maybe someone else would invent the same thing in a week and not as for a patent, so all humanity can use the idea for our collective advantage, without profiteering. Why should we pay the first person for beating another by a short while? Many inventions and realizations in history were made by several individuals simultaneously. It seems we get ideas when the "time is right", and we also use other people's findings. As humans as a collective become more and more intelligent, educated, knowledgeable, etc. we become able to think of more and more complex and/or creative ideas and as a result, inventions. So if you invent something, chances are, someone else would have invented it soon as well. We are mostly as smart as our current educational system and social paradigm allows us, and being a genius is down to chance, hardly something that should be awarded. Do inventors with patents share the money with their teachers, without whom they would've never acquired most or at least some of their knowledge, the bases? Or the parents without whom they wouldn't have grown into who they are? This can get really complicated, but at the end of the day, we are one big family working together for a better future, so we should share equally. Again you could say there are some that don't do any work, just sit home watching TV living on the dole not contributing society. Guess what. Their problem. When they get free food from the robots they will probably still be watching TV, their loss, call it sad life or what you want, they have a right to live, and live with dignity, all humans have the right to have the basics like food, stuff necessary for survival, like people in countries where they have no opportunity to prove their worth. But that's another conversation... or monologue.

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More likely, instead of humans being outcasted by machines, humans will merge with machines to form Homo Machinus, a new path of artificial evolution.

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The machines will allow mankind to reach for the stars. Look at Star Trek. A replicator in every home. Other than off-world trading, did you ever see anyone pay for anything on Earth in Star Trek? Just saying. Possessions will become less important as you'll be able to have anything you want, when you want/need it.

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They will not be able to replace all of our jobs, but it is worrying to see the large number of jobs they have replaced and will eventually replace, slowly decreasing the employment positions available to people available in the western world...

They will never be able to replace our creativity though. So get a job as a designer, stylist, artist etc and pass those skills to your children...

or just adopt a robot ;)

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If they built AI which is smarter then we then how do you know that wouldnt secretly took control (and AI could do it by breaking codes) of nuclear rockets and defeat us?

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Robots need software :)

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Robots need software :)

Am smiling at the thought of a robot politician or civil servant, programmed to be incapable of telling lies. :)

There'd be chaos! lol

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Not all, never all

Some yes, but all not a chance

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Robots have been taking jobs away for years...why? because humans do not want to pay a wage when they can have a more efficient piece of machinery do it instead. Robots are not the problem, its those who keep over breeding without a though about their childrens future. We do not need big families anymore and in time will not be able to afford them, times have most certainly changed.

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