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Frank Merton

Why are male homosexuals so talented

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This is my first stab at starting a theme, and I'm sticking my neck out. Still, it is something I've noticed. Not all homosexuals I'm sure are artists, and I don't know enough of them to have any idea, but it sure seems to me that they loom large in the arts -- acting, dancing, decorating, writing, fashion, design, even hairdressing. Homosexuals compose maybe two percent of the population (if you include people who've had some such experience then maybe ten percent) but they are at least a third to half of these artistic areas. I travel a lot and this applies around the world -- not just in the West but certainly in Asia too.

Is this true or an illusion? If true, why?

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They are?

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Illusion. They are just as talented as everybody else.

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Why are they so numerous in the arts in proportion to their numbers in the general population?

If its an illusion, what is the source of the illusion?

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Eh, I think it's just the fact that media and/or publicity HAS to mention an individual sexuality if they are talented.

Example -

Sexual preference unknown -"Promising young artist"

Sexual preference hetro - "Promising young artist"

Sexual preference homosexual - "Promising young, gay artist"

I think it's more a matter of promotion rather than gay men/women more talented.

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This is my first stab at starting a theme, and I'm sticking my neck out. Still, it is something I've noticed. Not all homosexuals I'm sure are artists, and I don't know enough of them to have any idea, but it sure seems to me that they loom large in the arts -- acting, dancing, decorating, writing, fashion, design, even hairdressing. Homosexuals compose maybe two percent of the population (if you include people who've had some such experience then maybe ten percent) but they are at least a third to half of these artistic areas. I travel a lot and this applies around the world -- not just in the West but certainly in Asia too.

Is this true or an illusion? If true, why?

Maybe men are better designed for these types of job than women?

And those men who want to be women are obviously applying for these positions lol.

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I remember once in class in college one of the co-eds asking the French professor why so many French authors were gay. He replied, "Madam, if there were no homosexuality there would be no French literature." Now obviously he was exaggerating, but there is a point here.

It's a matter of proportions. Considering their numbers in the general population (which, by the way, tend to be overstated -- the actual proportion of active homosexuals -- either engaging or partnered) is less than two percent, but think of the composers and writers. Mostly straight, as you would imagine, but disproportionately gay. When it comes to the less famous artists, I think it is even more the case, and stories about certain professions being just assumed to be gay are known.

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Maybe men are better designed for these types of job than women?

Example?
And those men who want to be women are obviously applying for these positions lol.

Homosexual men are happy being men; you have in mind trans-gendered men, and they are a different group entirely and are not in the groups I have in mind.

I do think though that you have a point -- that there is self-selection going on. We tend to want to do the things we are good at doing, and, as I have seen it, gay men on the average tend to be more artistic and less mechanical or mathematical than straight men. I know lots of gay artists, no gay mechanics or programmers.

Well I am no doubt in deep political do-do here. The drive for social acceptance seems to require that everyone be the same except for their particular difference.

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Why are they so numerous in the arts in proportion to their numbers in the general population?

If its an illusion, what is the source of the illusion?

Most people in the entertainment business have an extroverted personality. This goes for gays, hetero, and bisexuals. Also, they are pretty well accepted in the entertainment business, and thus can live very openly, so probably this is causing the illusion.

You won't notice most gays in everyday life, just like one of my best friends, who is a doctor, gay, and definitly not of the "fabulous" kind

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Are they, now?

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Most of the people I know have a hand in various sorts of arts, so I'm not sure if I'm a good sampling.

Of the gay guys I know... A few have been in the medical field, some are in machine shops. A handful are in the tec fields, a few are in the culinary trade- this goes from chef to server to processing plant worker. Several have been regular office or warehouse workers. A handful have really gone into the artistic fields. A few construction workers and related fields. A handful of retail related fields.

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Eh, I think it's just the fact that media and/or publicity HAS to mention an individual sexuality if they are talented.

Example -

Sexual preference unknown -"Promising young artist"

Sexual preference hetro - "Promising young artist"

Sexual preference homosexual - "Promising young, gay artist"

I think it's more a matter of promotion rather than gay men/women more talented.

Nibs

Most people in the entertainment business have an extroverted personality. This goes for gays, hetero, and bisexuals. Also, they are pretty well accepted in the entertainment business, and thus can live very openly, probably this is causing the illusion.

You won't notice most gays in everyday life, just like one of my best friends, who is a docto, gay, and definitly not of the "fabulous" kind

I think these two posters have it exactly right.

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I tend to buy Flombie's post as a possible explanation for the illusion, if it is an illusion. The others aren't persuasive. No doubt there are gays in every possible endeavor; I was pointing to proportions.

I remember once reading a New York Times article about how way back then AIDS was decimating the New York entertainment scene. This was a good twenty years ago, but it struck me even in those times of my naivety that they apparently have some special areas where they were more likely to excel than others.

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i dont know any homosexual artists, ive heard the steroetype of homosexuals wanting more to be in the entertainment industry than straight men but not that they are more successful than straight men or a use of a better word heterosexuals in the entertainment industry. there are probably equal successes.

its probably the same in the art world and all my the french writers ive read seem to be straight, remember even a lecturer can be biast

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I tend to buy Flombie's post as a possible explanation for the illusion, if it is an illusion. The others aren't persuasive. No doubt there are gays in every possible endeavor; I was pointing to proportions.

I remember once reading a New York Times article about how way back then AIDS was decimating the New York entertainment scene. This was a good twenty years ago, but it struck me even in those times of my naivety that they apparently have some special areas where they were more likely to excel than others.

when you say entertainment i think you mean the porn industry in america

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Could be part of gay culture. They could be influenced by what they see. I once asked a gay man what was the deal with gay mannerisms. I didnt understand them. People call it feminine, but I have never seen a woman act or talk like that. He simply said I think it's culture. I saw other gay men behaving this way and I looked up to them, so I must have picked up on it.

As to the arts..... Well through out history performance and art always attracted misfits and libral thinkers. I think gay men did fit in well with these sub cultures because they could find acceptance ( and each other) there where they otherwise would not have. I think it's a sub culture niche that continues to this day.

It's not unlike American inner cities cities being filled with African Americans. After the abolishment of slavery to the ending of Jim crow laws and segregation, there was a movement of black people to cities to look for work because none of them owned any land. This racial cycle of poverty haunts us to this day.

Socioeconomics has a lot to do with niches that subgroups tend to occupy.

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Drama queens.

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Maybe because all the straight teenage boys who say, "Hey, Dad. I want to be an artist/hairdresser/model!" get the "Not my son!" rutine and are handed a fireman's hat and a football instead. And then they assosiate that other stuff that they actually might want to do and be good at with something they are not.

Among the gay men I know, there is a definite feeling of "I just gotta be me!" I think they're more apt to go after whatever type of career they're interested in.

But mostly, I think it's not really true.

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Drama queens.

I think you will find the term is "drag'. :w00t:

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Can we have a list of gay artists and straight artists and see who out numbers who?

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O_O

So ummm,straight people and gay women ,aren't talented ?

And by talent ,do we mean singing and dancing ,painting ,sports ,as there are many types of talent ...

So let me be diligent ... ....note to self ; "gay men are talented ,everyone else is dull"

OK ,got it .

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Can we have a list of gay artists and straight artists and see who out numbers who?

here is the list of gay artists:

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F cont.

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M cont.

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Here is the list of non gay artists:

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Freetoroam, did you make that list up? I've only heard of about half a dozen of them :lol:

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Freetoroam, did you make that list up? I've only heard of about half a dozen of them :lol:

Google. ;)

I do not care that much to sit and type all that out! :cry:

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The real question should be why were the artists from the past, who left a great impact on our culture, disproportionately homosexual?

When you think of painting you think of Mona Lisa. Leonardo was a homosexual.

When you think of sculpture, you think of David. Michelangelo was a homosexual.

When you think of literature, you think of the beautiful homoerotic sonnets by Shakespeare, or Herman Melville's fascination with male beauty.

Modern novel: Proust, Thomas Mann, Mishima.

Music: Tchaikovsky.

And this is just a tip of iceberg. Whoever questioned the importance of homosexuals to our speacies should have this in mind. Without us the world would be less civilised place and our culture would be significantly poorer.

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