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Addendum (ha-ha) to my previous post.

There was another rebuttal witness yesterday. I think he's from the Mesa PD, and he'd previously testified re: his examinations of Alexander's camera and computer.

What I recall most about his testimony (other than his examination showed that there was no pornographic images of any kind found, nor were adult sites ever accessed at any time on Alexander's computer) is that the photos deleted from the camera where those taken on June 4th, and that there were approximately 90 more photos which weren't deleted.

Of course, that info. shows that Arias deleted only what she saw necessary to cover herself, and I think that she likely believed that by both deleting AND THEN putting the camera through a wash cycle would be sufficient to destroy ANY and ALL evidence from the camera.

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I just read a thread re: 'firearms', and not one poster said they owned a .25 caliber...the type used to shoot Alexander.

Now, it always struck me that a .25 caliber sounded odd... uncommon, might be a better word, in general, but odd in how it's been presented in this case.

What I mean is, Arias claims that the .25 caliber belonged to Alexander, but even if I t r i e d (and I couldn't if I wanted with all my might) to believe that, it still wouldn't sound to me like the type of weapon a man would own, or be the only weapon of it's kind that a man would have or choose to own.

It's just something to ponder...it's something I've pondered.

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I know that Deanna Reid was a prosecution witness and that the trial is in the rebuttal phase to defense's witnesses. That comment by the HLN host was made early in the defense's cross. After the break, the testimony continued and with each defense question, they seemed to add another shovel-full of dirt to the hole in which they were burying themselves. I agree that Reid's testimony painted a portrait of her relationship with TA as a fairly normal one, with TA coming across as an ordinary guy with ordinary sexual appetites, no tendency to violence or abusiveness, and no cruelty. This didn't help the defense at all

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I agree that Reid's testimony painted a portrait of her relationship with TA as a fairly normal one, with TA coming across as an ordinary guy with ordinary sexual appetites, no tendency to violence or abusiveness, and no cruelty.

I think her testimony indicated that BOTH of them had ordinary sexual appetites, and that it also served to point out (in reference to Alexander having kept his sexual life private) that people- irrespective of religion- don't usually go around announcing to others what they do in the bedroom!

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I just read a thread re: 'firearms', and not one poster said they owned a .25 caliber...the type used to shoot Alexander.

Now, it always struck me that a .25 caliber sounded odd... uncommon, might be a better word, in general, but odd in how it's been presented in this case.

What I mean is, Arias claims that the .25 caliber belonged to Alexander, but even if I t r i e d (and I couldn't if I wanted with all my might) to believe that, it still wouldn't sound to me like the type of weapon a man would own, or be the only weapon of it's kind that a man would have or choose to own.

It's just something to ponder...it's something I've pondered.

It is a puzzle of how Jodi Grandfather`s gun was stolen by Jodi, did Jodi planned the whole burglary stealing the tv , stereo system and the other items also ,or was there a real burglary and Jodi just said the gun was inclued in those items.

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I'll try and find the link to the actual police report re: the burglary.

Of the top of my head, the report read that Arias' grandparents had left the home on May 28th having left Arias alone in the home, and that Arias had reported that she'd left the home at 1:00pm. The call-in to police was at around 3:00 pm that same afternoon after the grandparents had returned home.

I don't recall that a TV was reported stolen...I recall a DVD player (remote control, anyone?) stereo, 30.00 in cash (Arias claimed missing from her room), and the .25 caliber.

I don't know who the .25 caliber actually belonged to. As I explained in my post, I find it unlikely that a male would choose that type of weapon, so I think it's more likely that it belonged to the grandmother (or was intended for the grandmother's use), or that it once belonged to another female.

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Well guys the proscution has rested. And I have come to a conclustion that Jodi did have a plan to kill Tarvis, but when confronted with his anger over something in the shower, maybe telling her to leave, she out of pure rage stabbed him in the shower and all the way down the hall as he struggle to get away, then dragged in back in the shower where she shot him, to make sure he was dead, her original plan. I don`nt think he ever physical abuse her ,but the verbal abuse you hear on the tape from him and maybe he was telling her off in that way, could have made her go stark raving mad before her plan to shoot him.

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There's no verbal abuse on any tape that I know of. There's no abuse of any kind anywhere that I know of. I know of one tape and Alexander isn't any more vulgar than Arias is. Same for goes for any explicit texts I've seen.

In my opinion, the texts relevant to the case are the ones from Alexander on May 26th in which he actually used the word 'sociopath' and said that Arias was "the worst thing that had ever happened" to him. Chilling, to say the least.

A point I'd like to make here is that it appears contradictory that Alexander would carry-on with Arias like he did on June 4th, especially after having recognized what she was all about on May 26th and after having expressed such anger and disgust.

Well, he couldn't have known- and clearly didn't know- what she was later shown to be capable of, and I think his behavior that day goes to show how easily he was manipulated by her.

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There's no verbal abuse on any tape that I know of. There's no abuse of any kind anywhere that I know of. I know of one tape and Alexander isn't any more vulgar than Arias is. Same for goes for any explicit texts I've seen.

In my opinion, the texts relevant to the case are the ones from Alexander on May 26th in which he actually used the word 'sociopath' and said that Arias was "the worst thing that had ever happened" to him. Chilling, to say the least.

A point I'd like to make here is that it appears contradictory that Alexander would carry-on with Arias like he did on June 4th, especially after having recognized what she was all about on May 26th and after having expressed such anger and disgust.

Well, he couldn't have known- and clearly didn't know- what she was later shown to be capable of, and I think his behavior that day goes to show how easily he was manipulated by her.

I think Alexander also has a "bit" of a sex addiction ( :rolleyes: ). (Doesn't mean he deserved to get sliced to bits.) Sometimes this can lead to BIG trouble if a person is willing to do anything for their addiction. Especially someone in Alexander's position. Wanting sex, being Mormon and wanting to date / possibly marry Mormon women, not really allowed to have sex with Mormon women. Enter Jodi the skank. Always in his face, always willing to have any kind of sex. It's like being there to hand bags of heroin to a heroin addict. She had what he wanted and what he couldn't easily get. I know he could have and did find other women to have sex with. I just can't help but think that he felt a little guilt everytime he chose sex over the Mormon teachings. Maybe the skank made the guilt easier to bear since it seems he knew he wasn't going to be with her in a long term relationship such as in marriage. Turns out he was right, but in a very wrong way. If nothing else about her creeped me out, the fact that she crawled into his house at night through the pet door makes her a psychopath in my book. 1. She thought she had a right to commit this crime and 2. This is something Charles Manson had his followers do all the time, even when they didn't kill anyone. Think how you would feel if you woke up and realized someone had been in your house while you slept. :cry:

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A 'bit' of a sexual addiction...? That's like a 'bit' pregnant, IMO, given their history as relayed by way of voice and text messages and not going by her stories at all.

I listened to the texts of May 26th as they were reviewed in court testimony and found them abusive in nature, tone and intent; whore, sl ut, 3-hole wonder, satan, etc. etc.. Sociopath being the most polite name he used. Absolving Mr. Alexander of having used the language he did doesn't change anything. Given his very mixed emotions about JA I'm not surprised at his blowing up at her as he did... not only was he disgusted with her behavior and lies, I think on some level he was disgusted with himself for his own behavior with her, continuing to have sex with her. And who among us isn't capable of a good blow up when pushed to extremes emotionally?

There is no argument about there being no deserving an end like that which JA caused for TA. The facts of their relationship speak for themselves, regardless of all the analysis coming from both ends of the spectrum. After the 6-hr marathon text fight on May 26th, just a few days later she was back at his house having consensual sex. There is no Saint or Madonna here. No pillar of any religious community, not when the great magnifying glass of scrutiny comes into play. Not one of the religious leaders of recent history can pass this test either, so no surprise.

The recent news is it seems the case for premeditation was established. ME's return to the stand this week reiterated the medical facts over the defendants story, making her version impossible. What we don't know is how the jury has digested all of this. It's still a majority of men to women on the jury I think, even with recent loss of another male juror. They should be in deliberations by Friday... Monday at the latest?. Curious how long jury will be out.

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... the case driving jurors to drink?

DUI suspect: I'm on the Jodi Arias jury

Adam Slinger - Apr 26, 2013 4:51 a.m.

A local Valley police department confirms to ABC15 that a man arrested over the weekend on a DUI charge was also claiming to be a juror in the Jodi Arias trial.

The arrest happened on Saturday and it was at that time the suspect told the officer he was a member of the jury. On Tuesday, the arresting officer was called into a "sealed proceeding" with the judge, the prosecutor and the defense attorneys, the police spokesperson said. What was discussed in the secret meeting is confidential. Two days later, juror #8 was dismissed and the judge gave no reason. Since the topics discussed during the officer's testimony are sealed, police said there is no way they can confirm that the man arrested for DUI is indeed juror #8. On Thursday night, ABC15 attempted to reach the man who was arrested, but was unsuccessful.

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There's no verbal abuse on any tape that I know of. There's no abuse of any kind anywhere that I know of. I know of one tape and Alexander isn't any more vulgar than Arias is. Same for goes for any explicit texts I've seen.

In my opinion, the texts relevant to the case are the ones from Alexander on May 26th in which he actually used the word 'sociopath' and said that Arias was "the worst thing that had ever happened" to him. Chilling, to say the least.

A point I'd like to make here is that it appears contradictory that Alexander would carry-on with Arias like he did on June 4th, especially after having recognized what she was all about on May 26th and after having expressed such anger and disgust.

Well, he couldn't have known- and clearly didn't know- what she was later shown to be capable of, and I think his behavior that day goes to show how easily he was manipulated by her.

In the 16 pages:

What a freakin whore.

He accuses her of going on to the next dick.

He tells her her words are worthless.

He hates her.

She's caused him more pain than the death of his father.

She's a rotten lunatic.

He's never dealt with a more solid form of evil.

She's nothing but a liar.

She lives a life identical to satan.

She's a three hole wonder.

She ought to get tips for giving bjs.

She never loved him.

She's got a ****'s job.

Who freaking cares about you you're worthless. You're a b****.

You're lies make your life worthless.

You're taking up people's air.

You don't care. You don't know what horror you've caused me.

You're a laughing stock.

You don't care about anything but Jodi.

He blames her for a lot of the pain he feels in his own life.

He tells her he was nothing more than a dildo with a heartbeat to her.

You're demented.

http://jodi-arias.wikispaces.com/Abuse

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Wow , just reading them insults gave me a horrible murderous feeling and they weren't even directed at me!

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I think Alexander also has a "bit" of a sex addiction ( :rolleyes: ).

I disagree. The thing (what I think anyway) is that it's highly doubtful that he'd ever before had sex with anyone as experienced, and accommodating as Arias and he simply couldn't resist.

In fact, there's dialogue in evidence where he conveyed essentially the same thing, but in other words.

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I listened to the texts of May 26th as they were reviewed in court testimony and found them abusive in nature, tone and intent. Sociopath being the most polite name he used.

As DeMarte testified, to consider ' abuse' depends on ones definition of the word. Context also matters.

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... he simply couldn't resist.

In fact, there's dialogue in evidence where he conveyed essentially the same thing, but in other words.

sounds like any addict to me. What else is he going to say about his own weakness for having sex with her? He'll do what addicts do, minimize his part in participating. Cuss her out for 6-hrs in txt messages, hating her all the way through it, see the list posted above, not exactly pillow talk... and then have her in for an over-nighter of sex?

I'm not part of the audience that feels compelled to make these characters out to be more or less than what they were through this horrible ordeal... what they were was human, with failings. In her case, pretty glaring horrible failure obviously, she took his life for God's sake... but seriously... TA was a fragile human being too, with lies of his own in place. Remember many (or was it all) of his friends all believed him to be a virgin, right? He fostered that story. (Who cares really, but it is truth). A fragile human being,he grew out of a hard place as a kid. This doesn't make him some awful person, it's just what the facts are. Not the first person to tell lies to live up to religious ideals, either. And of course for the millionth time since it comes up over & over & over as if no one thinks of it or somehow excuses her for this vile act.. it didn't deserve what she did to him, never could. I'm out until the jury comes back in any event. Good weekend to all.

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As DeMarte testified, to consider ' abuse' depends on ones definition of the word. Context also matters.

Help me understand what context would this NOT be abusive in? Well, this is beyond my reasoning at this point, I'm out. Movie time!

freakin whore.- on to the next dick.- her words are worthless.- hates her - rotten lunatic. - solid form of evil. - identical to satan. - three hole wonder.

ought to get tips for giving *******s. - got a ****s job. - you're worthless. You're a b**** - your life worthless. - taking up people's air. - a laughing stock. - he was nothing more than a dildo with a heartbeat to her. - demented.

http://jodi-arias.wikispaces.com/Abuse

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Wow , just reading them insults gave me a horrible murderous feeling and they weren't even directed at me!

I know what you are saying, and the thing is there are no texts or words of Jodi ever being that mean to Travis, cruel words can make one rage, and the latest on HLN is that Jodi had a miscarriage of a Travis`s baby and he acted like he did`nt care. I`m not sticking up for her ever killing travis, but I do think travis did abuse and used Jodi some what .

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sounds like any addict to me. What else is he going to say about his own weakness for having sex with her? He'll do what addicts do, minimize his part in participating. Cuss her out for 6-hrs in txt messages, hating her all the way through it, see the list posted above, not exactly pillow talk... and then have her in for an over-nighter of sex?

You don't know what I was referring to.

Alexander didn't 'minimize' anything, and he didn't say that he couldn't resist. I offered a couple of reasons why I THOUGHT he couldn't resist and I should have said that he 'didn't' resist.

Now, whether or not he COULD have, I have no idea, but because he didn't certainly doesn't mean that he must have been a 'sex addict'.

There was no evidence in his home to suggest that he was any more 'addicted to sex' than any other normal, healthy human being. In fact, there was nothing of a sexual nature whatsoever found in his home.

Re: those texts, I certainly don't believe Arias' spin.

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Help me understand what context would this NOT be abusive in?

The context of the text was that Alexander was furious.

People might very well say such things when they're furious, and yeah, those aren't kind words, but Alexander was RESPONDING to something obviously very serious, and I have no doubt but that his anger was warranted. That's not 'abusive' in my book.

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To anyone interested in this case, (as in any case) I suggest that they consider their source.

Specifically re: the texts in evidence in this case, those should be viewed in their entirety. Also, people should view them for themselves because comments about them- including their very content- aren't based on accurate information.

I don't have a direct link to the texts, but they can be found with a little research.

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Guilty, but guilty of what? Her proven lying and resulting logical conspiracy doesn't prove stabbing, shooting, slicing or murdering.

Even her own defense know she is guilty, they are not even denying it. If they thought she was innocent they would be pleading "not guilty...not self defense!

Arias' lawyers are hoping that a sympathetic portrayal of Arias as Alexander's physically and emotionally abused girlfriend will bolster her claim that she killed Alexander in self-defense. Arias stabbed her lover 27 times, slashed his throat, and shot him twice in the head in 2008, two years after they met and began their sex-fueled affair.

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I can't believe she's now claiming she was pregnant. I just can't believe a single thing that comes out of the girl's mouth, even if she could be telling the truth, there's too much crap gone before to ever take her seriously.

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I can't believe she's now claiming she was pregnant. I just can't believe a single thing that comes out of the girl's mouth, even if she could be telling the truth, there's too much crap gone before to ever take her seriously.

I can only find this stating that the National Enquirer printed this story. Has it actually been covered in court?

Generally if someone miscarries a child, they need medical treatment. Even if the person decides to let the miscarriage occur naturally without a D&C, follow up ultrasounds would be needed to ensure no tissue is left behind as it can be dangerous. And surely there would be some evidence if this occured?

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