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Billy Edward Albert Meier

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The thing I find very interesting about the Billy Meier case is the fact that over 20,000 pages of literature have been written, at least 200+ pictures and videos of supposed ufo craft, all of which were produced by a one armed farmer in Switzerland with the cheapest of equipment ( a farmer, not a blacksmith, metallurgist expert video specialist and photography wizard, special effects genius, he was a simple farmer) and the fact that this case is still talked about after almost 70+ years is also interesting. Whatever is to be said with such things as what people discredit him most for, such as pictures of Asket and Nera, the Wedding Cake UFO, the beam weapon of Alena, the fact that some of the ufo videos such as one with three spacecraft seen at a distance that seem to have an energy field around them as they hover like a helicopter in the original video footage still considered nonsense by some, this is what people focus on, so it seems that any truth about ufos is 'barked off 'as nonsense and as a hoax even when it is seen in the sky for themselves, which so it seems people do not want the truth to be known, for life in egoism, pride, and materialism would change, for some fear change, life would no longer be routine, negativity would be gone, and for most people this they do not want, only life as it is with no rewards or evolution of consciousness, only the normal one -sided truth. It is true that there are high costs to becoming a passive member of FIGU up to about $500 or so, there are however at least 20,000 pages of literature, at least 10 to 20 videos still available, and at least 200+ pictures that are all available for free to anyone who cares to view them. The cost of producing all this information would have to be in the thousands of dollars. Now why would a hoaxer spend thousands of dollars for information about these topics and then want nothing in return. Why would a hoaxer focus on topics to improve the lives of all earth humans, so they can live life to their fullest potential? Because either it is 100% true or only 50% is true and the other 50% has been altered by individuals that are losing control of people and their money in their billion dollar industry of deceit. Whatever the facts are, one fact remains true, the cosmos is vast, a place that humans of earth have not been very far into. If it is just earth humans, which is absolute nonsense, it would be an extremely huge wast of space, therefore extraterrestrial life would indeed have to be possible. My thoughts on this are that the cosmos is full of life, from the most minute of microbes and bacteria, to life more complex than can be imagined. I feel that one day, perhaps sooner rather than later, that answer may be found and those people who tend to believe, rather than know, shall be astounded at the true reality right before their eyes, staring them in the face right there in the sky or on that other planet for all to see.

May the truth find the seeker of it. May the charlatans, deceivers,and hoaxers have all their deceit openly discovered by the public, so no more time and money is wasted on the untruth.

Perhaps then, people of Earth can evolve in consciousness, and live life to their fullest potential, in a brave new world of actual absolute truth.

Truth manifests itself where untruth is found, sometimes it takes hours, weeks, months, sometimes it takes years, in the end all truth shall be known and discovered in this age and the next.

Below is a link to an original film about supposed ufo craft filmed by Billy Meier back in the 70's which may not be available much longer

FULL Billy Meier-1985 Beamship - The Movie Footage

Here in its original form perhaps you can decide for yourself without debunkers attacking you and see some of these supposed craft filmed back in the 70's, some of which are very interesting to only be a perpetrated hoax and nonsense

It is 49min.40sec. long if anyone here cares to watch and has time for this.

The link below is a new film entitled:

UFOTV® Presents: The Silent Revolution of Truth HD UFO Film - UFOs and Prophecies from Outer Space

All comments are welcome even if you think it is nonsense, or feel at least one or two things might be true, your attacks, suggestions, beliefs, knowledge of actual truth, positive/negative/neutral comments are also welcome, pick it apart and let me know what you find.

Thank you

Best Regards,

Acriasis

:unsure2: :no:... :yes: :alien: :tu:... :whistle:

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all of which were produced by a one armed farmer in Switzerland with the cheapest of equipment ( a farmer, not a blacksmith, metallurgist expert video specialist and photography wizard, special effects genius, he was a simple farmer)

Do you have any evidence no one else is involved and how much he pays for his equipment?

The fact is he has been caught out hoaxing destroys his credibility

http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/dinosaur_deconstruction.html

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Do you have any evidence no one else is involved and how much he pays for his equipment?

The fact is he has been caught out hoaxing destroys his credibility

http://www.iigwest.c...nstruction.html

Most of the answer to your question is found in the 'beamship movie" video showing Billy with his cameras and shooting video.

The link is a claim that one picture of a dinosaur has been copied from a book.

The problem with this is there have been so many photographs stolen and altered from Billy Meier by those who seek to discredit him or even assasinate him over the years that the originals are no longer available and the pictures that have been 'faked' are believed to be the originals such as also photos of an alleged E.T. 'Asket" which in turn discredits the photo available and causes people to believe all his work is a hoax because of one dinosaur photo and pictures that seem to portray terrestrial not extraterrestrial humans, and a few ufo photos that look 'too good to be true' such as the wedding cake ufo.

Photos speak a thousand words through the people, ancient spiritual knowledge can change millions of people through vast knowledge of absolute truth, not only found from about 1800 books by Billy Meier but by diligently searching for all the facts about actual truth contained within researching all aspects of any current news ,topic, or claim.

As with anything that is found on the internet it is all based on "what so and so said has caused me to believe..." or "is a hoax, it can't be real" when it comes to something absolutely fantastic or impossible.

Happy information hunting, may that which is sought be found. :)

Acriasis

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Most of the answer to your question is found in the 'beamship movie" video showing Billy with his cameras and shooting video.

A hoaxer pretending to look genuine.
and a few ufo photos that look 'too good to be true' such as the wedding cake ufo.
Can you show me one of these "too good to be true" photos? A google search takes me to obvious up close "ufos" that don't match the background focus.

http://www.figu.org/...e/strahlschiffe

Photos speak a thousand words through the people, ancient spiritual knowledge can change millions of people through vast knowledge of absolute truth, not only found from about 1800 books by Billy Meier but by diligently searching for all the facts about actual truth contained within researching all aspects of any current news ,topic, or claim.
To preach the message of a hoaxer, you don't need facts. Clearly you've made him into a prophet/cult leader. Edited by Rlyeh

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A hoaxer pretending to look genuine.

Can you show me one of these "too good to be true" photos? A google search takes me to obvious up close "ufos" that don't match the background focus.

http://www.figu.org/...e/strahlschiffe

To preach the message of a hoaxer, you don't need facts. Clearly you've made him into a prophet/cult leader.

For whatever reason you or others think that Billy Meier is a leader of a cult or some type of religion, or a "camp" as some call it, I am sorry to say this is absolute nonsense for it would be against everything that he brings to us through the contact reports, his books, and the spiritual teachings. As far as preaching about him, this topic I started is a place to research the facts, and find the reason why so many people think its all a hoax. There should be a poll of "how many people who think Billy Meier is a hoax have read all the contact reports, figu bulletins, participated in the peace meditation, and have reviewed every bit of photo and video evidence that is as close to the original as possible?"

Do not consider him a hoaxer until you research all the facts first. If this is too hard to do, I will find you some facts in time and post them here for all to disseminate.

I am in no way being a preacher like some sort of religious leader, I also do not make Billy Meier into anything by sharing facts that are found on the internet in the contact reports, that contain ancient history, more recent past history, present life, future events, spirituality, meditation, scientific data about the universe, philosophy, physical health and well being, and many others informative things, which anyone that wants to read about this can do for free at several websites.

I thank you for your responses, this has been good to hear about your thoughts, perhaps somewhere in this vast sea of information contained on the internet there is 10 or 20% of actual complete truth to be found among all the lies, and it will take a lot of researching to find this hidden truth, short of going to visit Billy Meier himself in Switzerland.

Below are a couple of links that may help, I will find some evidence of Billy Meier's photo and video equipment and post it here but it could take a little while.

If anyone here wants to learn from the spiritual teachings and contact reports of Billy Meier you must read with an open heart and mind and start in a positive manner, for if you read in a negative manner with "this is all a hoax anyway" already in your heart you will miss the lesson to be learned and will not make it through even one report. With an open heart and mind, perhaps a truth shall be known and felt within the whole of your being, in this you evolve further in consciousness, and your daily life has more meaning and purpose than it once did before.

As for now, may you find the truth you seek, and may this truth be rewarding, for true reality is all around you, it is up to you to decide what that is.

A life lived in truth is truly lived, a life in untruth cares not for itself.

Thank you for your thoughts.

Best Regards,

acriasis :tu:

Here are those links, happy hunting:

http://www.ufocasebook.com/weddingcakeufo.html

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Here is a link to a large collection of Billy Meier photographs, some of these photos seem plausible, and seem to truly show some type of craft in the foreground:

http://www.futureofm...y_Meier/Gallery

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You don't need to read everything by someone or see all of their photos and 'evidence', to determine they are a crackpot or a hoaxer.

Once you have proven some hoaxes by a person, you don't need to do anything else to prove they are a hoaxer and that they are instantly branded as unreliable.

I haven't read everything by or about L. Ron Hubbard and other prominent scientologists, just enough to know it's not worth my while reading any further. Life is short and nobody can be reasonably expected to continue to do research into a topic once they've found out the are dealing with

I've seen a couple of previous thread on Billy Meier here on UM and some debunking of some of his laughable 'UFOs' (for example, the wedding cake UFO). How does anyone take him seriously? Photos of Earth's two prehistoric moons from his 'great journey'? Please.

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When allegedly traveling on one of his alien buddy's spaceship into outer space, he looked back at Earth. He said it was a white featureless disk.

And that's all you need to know about Billy Meier's claims.

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Who the hell thinks that is genuine alien flying saucer? It looks a homemade contraption being held by the top (which is conveniently cropped out) and close to the camera to try and give the illusion of size.

And it fails. Horribly. He wouldn't get a job as a special effects tech working for Ed Wood.

All of his stuff looks like kid's toys (like the alien ray gun, ha!), household objects or home-made things being made used in a game of alien make-believer.

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Seriously?!?! Billy Meier?!?! Mind boggling.

To the OP, the only reason Billy Meier is still a topic of discussion is because posters don't do their research and uncritically post other people's fantasies as fact.

Cheers,

Badeskov

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This is on the wrong forum dude

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If anyone here wants to learn from the spiritual teachings and contact reports of Billy Meier you must read with an open heart and mind and start in a positive manner, for if you read in a negative manner with "this is all a hoax anyway" already in your heart you will miss the lesson to be learned and will not make it through even one report. With an open heart and mind, perhaps a truth shall be known and felt within the whole of your being, in this you evolve further in consciousness, and your daily life has more meaning and purpose than it once did before.

As for now, may you find the truth you seek, and may this truth be rewarding, for true reality is all around you, it is up to you to decide what that is.

Oh look a cult pretending not to be a cult. Edited by Rlyeh

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The_Wedding_Cake.jpg

Who the hell thinks that is genuine alien flying saucer? It looks a homemade contraption being held by the top (which is conveniently cropped out) and close to the camera to try and give the illusion of size.

And it fails. Horribly. He wouldn't get a job as a special effects tech working for Ed Wood.

All of his stuff looks like kid's toys (like the alien ray gun, ha!), household objects or home-made things being made used in a game of alien make-believer.

That is the picture I was talking about, the saucer is clearly way closer to the camera than the car because the way the focus is off. Edited by Rlyeh

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Truth shall manifest itself where lies and deceit are present it is the natural coarse of life. I am sure most people here have heard the term " you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink" for that would be against the horses own free-will. All these post here are appreciated it tells me what I needed to know.

May all find true purpose and knowledge of the truth this day, perhaps knowledge unknown before, that is most meaningful to you.

Happy knowledge seeking,

acriasis :D

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That is the picture I was talking about, the saucer is clearly way closer to the camera than the car because the way the focus is off.

The angle is wrong too. If that UFO was actually above the vehicle in the distance, then it's not horizontal, it's tilted backward because otherwise we wouldn't see the underside at such an angle if it was that far away.

I showed the wedding cake UFO pic to my 10 year old nephew and told him it was a real flying saucer. He looked at me as if I said the dumbest thing he'd ever heard. He said it looked like a toy and it didn't look like it was above the car and it seemed to be much closer.

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To the OP:

A big example of the fraudulent nature of Billy Meier's the supposed Pleiadian beam ships wouldn't exist since the Pleiades are too young to support life much less intelligent life that can travel through space. Also if you do just a bit of research, the pictures of the Pleiadian women are actually pictures of singers from the old Dean Martin show.

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To the OP:

A big example of the fraudulent nature of Billy Meier's the supposed Pleiadian beam ships wouldn't exist since the Pleiades are too young to support life much less intelligent life that can travel through space. Also if you do just a bit of research, the pictures of the Pleiadian women are actually pictures of singers from the old Dean Martin show.

Much studying of the Billy Meier case would help you to truly discover where the Plejaren come from and why there are no definite real pictures of them. This truth is up to you to find. One thing that is for certain, Billy Meier is not a leader of some cult or religion, for this would be against all that has been brought to the public by him.

Below is a link to of the predictions wrote about by Billy Meier decades ago, that now are becoming surprisingly accurate, about recent Russian troop movements:

http://theyflyblog.com/

And also here is an original feature film explaining more details about the case, there is a moment at 42:00 that Billy shows them how he prepares for a 'contact' with the extraterrestrials each time, also throughout the film there are computer analyses of beam ship craft and about three-quarters of the way through analyses of sounds of beamships recorded by Meier, there is even a portion around 59:10 that Billy Meier takes a lie detector test with results at about 1:00:00. This is a film about a group of investigators who attempt to discover the whole truth about the Billy Meier case, one of the investigators is Wendell Stevens, it is a bit long, but well worth watching if you are completely skeptical about the truth about this.

https://www.google.c....43148975,d.aWc

If you have trouble with that link, here is another place to search on youtube:

CONTACT - UFO Incredible Investigation Documentary of Eduard Meiers Experien

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Much studying of the Billy Meier case would help you to truly discover where the Plejaren come from and why there are no definite real pictures of them. This truth is up to you to find. One thing that is for certain, Billy Meier is not a leader of some cult or religion, for this would be against all that has been brought to the public by him.

Below is a link to of the predictions wrote about by Billy Meier decades ago, that now are becoming surprisingly accurate, about recent Russian troop movements:

http://theyflyblog.com/

And also here is an original feature film explaining more details about the case, there is a moment at 42:00 that Billy shows them how he prepares for a 'contact' with the extraterrestrials each time, also throughout the film there are computer analyses of beam ship craft and about three-quarters of the way through analyses of sounds of beamships recorded by Meier, there is even a portion around 59:10 that Billy Meier takes a lie detector test with results at about 1:00:00. This is a film about a group of investigators who attempt to discover the whole truth about the Billy Meier case, one of the investigators is Wendell Stevens, it is a bit long, but well worth watching if you are completely skeptical about the truth about this.

https://www.google.c....43148975,d.aWc

If you have trouble with that link, here is another place to search on youtube:

CONTACT - UFO Incredible Investigation Documentary of Eduard Meiers Experien

No he wasn't the leader of a cult but he was a con man and in it for the fame and money.

Without going over all his supposed information we will pick one as an example. Supposedly his 31'st contact in 1975, he was told that Mt Chimborazo, not Mt Everest was higher above sea level. Mt Chimborazo is 20,500 ft above sea level and Mt Everest is 29,000 ft above sea level, clearly showing the information he supposedly got from aliens to be wrong. In fact Mt Chimborazo does not even make it onto the list of the highest mountains above sea level http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest_mountains

As far as his prophecies we'll show one and it will put the others in context:

He prophesied that world war 3 would start in 2006. When it didn't happen he changed it to 2008 abnd when it didn't happen again he said it would start in 2011. Now tell me how world war 3 is going where you live?

As far as the video I will have to view it at a later date before I can make a comment.

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All you really need to see is the movies of Meier's "flying saucers" which are clearly models swinging back and forth from short strings tied to something just above the frame. These movies are by far the worst hoaxes in the history of UFOlogy. The flying saucer in "Plan 9 From Outer Space" is more realistic.

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All you really need to see is the movies of Meier's "flying saucers" which are clearly models swinging back and forth from short strings tied to something just above the frame. These movies are by far the worst hoaxes in the history of UFOlogy. The flying saucer in "Plan 9 From Outer Space" is more realistic.

That movie (plan 9) is evidently in the public domain and can be watched online here http://archive.org/details/Plan_9_from_Outer_Space_1959

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And these things are exactly what 'the controllers' want (whatever or whomever that is) to disguise and discredit the truth in every way possible, even falsifying true evidence with fake evidence so the people will consider all actual truth a hoax, so that control is not lost over the people and money is still to be made into the wallets of the deceivers. It is surprising that there would even be one single original film or photo of Billy Meier left that is not a third, fourth, fifth or sixth generation photo, which he had unfortunately had to take to local developing shops to develop the film. In these shops is where the controllers got hold of the original negatives through sums of money so that slight alterations could be made to the film. There are some photos that even Billy did not notice the changes until months even years later. :td: On another note about Mt. Chimborazo according to true logic is as follows..." Starting from the center of the planet ,which never changes because planetary shapes are not perfectly round but more elliptical in shape, using this ellipse the diameter of the Earth is enlarged which comes down to The Andes in South America. The tallest of these mountains is Mt. Chimborazo in Ecuador. Due to the the elliptical shape of the Earth and distance to the top of Mt. Chimborazo from the center of the planet, not above sea level ,this makes Mt. Chimborazo the tallest mountain on Earth by about 2,150 meters more than Mt Everest" This bit of information was supplied to Billy Meier by the extraterrestrials called the Plejaren that he has been in contact with. By far Mt. Everest is the tallest mountain above sea level, but if you had an imaginary line drawn from the center of the Earth to both mountains (Mt. Chimborazo, Mt. Everest) logically speaking Mt. Chimborazo would be the tallest due to the elliptical shape of our planet. If the Billy Meier contact report is needed to verify this I will find it and copy/paste it here shouldn't take too long :yes:

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And these things are exactly what 'the controllers' want (whatever or whomever that is) to disguise and discredit the truth in every way possible, even falsifying true evidence with fake evidence so the people will consider all actual truth a hoax, so that control is not lost over the people and money is still to be made into the wallets of the deceivers. It is surprising that there would even be one single original film or photo of Billy Meier left that is not a third, fourth, fifth or sixth generation photo, which he had unfortunately had to take to local developing shops to develop the film. In these shops is where the controllers got hold of the original negatives through sums of money so that slight alterations could be made to the film. There are some photos that even Billy did not notice the changes until months even years later. :td:

So it was the stores who made the fake photos, and not Billy, even though they are on his site? You are a gullible one.
On another note about Mt. Chimborazo according to true logic is as follows..." Starting from the center of the planet ,which never changes because planetary shapes are not perfectly round but more elliptical in shape, using this ellipse the diameter of the Earth is enlarged which comes down to The Andes in South America. The tallest of these mountains is Mt. Chimborazo in Ecuador. Due to the the elliptical shape of the Earth and distance to the top of Mt. Chimborazo from the center of the planet, not above sea level ,this makes Mt. Chimborazo the tallest mountain on Earth by about 2,150 meters more than Mt Everest" This bit of information was supplied to Billy Meier by the extraterrestrials called the Plejaren that he has been in contact with. By far Mt. Everest is the tallest mountain above sea level, but if you had an imaginary line drawn from the center of the Earth to both mountains (Mt. Chimborazo, Mt. Everest) logically speaking Mt. Chimborazo would be the tallest due to the elliptical shape of our planet. If the Billy Meier contact report is needed to verify this I will find it and copy/paste it here shouldn't take too long :yes:

2,150 is incorrect, it is clear Billy got his information from E. Michael Gaposchkin and not aliens.

http://www.iigwest.org/investigations/meier/ike42report.htm#16_31stcontact

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And these things are exactly what 'the controllers' want (whatever or whomever that is) to disguise and discredit the truth in every way possible, even falsifying true evidence with fake evidence so the people will consider all actual truth a hoax, so that control is not lost over the people and money is still to be made into the wallets of the deceivers. It is surprising that there would even be one single original film or photo of Billy Meier left that is not a third, fourth, fifth or sixth generation photo, which he had unfortunately had to take to local developing shops to develop the film. In these shops is where the controllers got hold of the original negatives through sums of money so that slight alterations could be made to the film.

But there are still Billy's movies of obviously small UFO models swinging back and forth on short strings.

He didn't need anyone's assistance in looking like a crackpot.

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And these things are exactly what 'the controllers' want (whatever or whomever that is) to disguise and discredit the truth in every way possible, even falsifying true evidence with fake evidence so the people will consider all actual truth a hoax, so that control is not lost over the people and money is still to be made into the wallets of the deceivers. It is surprising that there would even be one single original film or photo of Billy Meier left that is not a third, fourth, fifth or sixth generation photo, which he had unfortunately had to take to local developing shops to develop the film. In these shops is where the controllers got hold of the original negatives through sums of money so that slight alterations could be made to the film. There are some photos that even Billy did not notice the changes until months even years later. :td:

So Billy gets the photos from the shops and shows them to people but in looking at them so soon after the incidents, when the event is fresh in his mind he does not notice the changes. No it takes months and years to notice the changes yet he still uses the now altered photos on his site and in his talks and doesn't mention anything about them being tampered with. he presents them as real and valid. Your use of :td: is applicable to that part of your post.

On another note about Mt. Chimborazo according to true logic is as follows..." Starting from the center of the planet ,which never changes because planetary shapes are not perfectly round but more elliptical in shape, using this ellipse the diameter of the Earth is enlarged which comes down to The Andes in South America. The tallest of these mountains is Mt. Chimborazo in Ecuador. Due to the the elliptical shape of the Earth and distance to the top of Mt. Chimborazo from the center of the planet, not above sea level ,this makes Mt. Chimborazo the tallest mountain on Earth by about 2,150 meters more than Mt Everest" This bit of information was supplied to Billy Meier by the extraterrestrials called the Plejaren that he has been in contact with. By far Mt. Everest is the tallest mountain above sea level, but if you had an imaginary line drawn from the center of the Earth to both mountains (Mt. Chimborazo, Mt. Everest) logically speaking Mt. Chimborazo would be the tallest due to the elliptical shape of our planet. If the Billy Meier contact report is needed to verify this I will find it and copy/paste it here shouldn't take too long :yes:

While the summit of Chimborazo is farther from the center of the Earth than Everest, mountains do not start at the center of the Earth but on the surface. As such it is not the tallest mountain on the Earth and since the information seems to have been available before his claim of the contact was made then it pretty much invalidates where he says he got it from.

There is of course still does not alter the fact that he tried to pass off Earth singers as aliens from another world, clearly showing the fraudulent nature of his claims..

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