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Are Extraterrestrials Really Demons?

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Well its not all that it seems to be when we talk about memories,re-call,ect first person events.

Without many,many witnesses and actual proof,were all just something thats our sighting,opinion,Event!

Dang ITs fun to be a first person witness ! You only have yourself to debate with !

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I have came across this theory in reading various books and watching various programming on the UFO topic. It very well could be that what we call "aliens" are fallen angels that were and still are watching mankind to influence us, That would certainly explain certain physics impossibilities like faster than light travel and being able to materialize and de-materialize at will. Science cannot explain how these crafts can execute these things and maybe the demon explanation could be plausible. Until there is more study done, I'm more likely to believe it is aliens with superior technology and not demons. Anything is likely, but we need more direct proof to verify such a claim.

It probably is based on cultural perspective. It's hard for some people to accept and admit that we might not be at the top of the interstellar food chain. It's simpler to say that superior beings are demons. It's like saying that only evil beings can be more intelligent than we are. Another part of the equation is based on fear and fundamentalism. Some people are phobic when it comes to the unknown, the part of life that is out of their comfort zone. I wouldn't be surprised if Dark Ages people would refer to us as demons if we could travel back in time to show our technology to them. Our technology changes, but our mentality doesn't.

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I see now thanks for explaining that

I found a horrible example of this kind of thing in the news. It was in a story about an abortionist who allegedly murdered scores of babies at his clinic, which really and truly was a very evil place. One of his assistants killed a viable *individual*, and she said that this *individual* reminded her of an alien. On a much, much lighter note, intelligence operatives, involved in mind experiments, might have used a fetus as a model for their fake extraterrestrials.

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Not to derail but how many wrong diagnosis did Edgar Cayce give? The world will never know. Keep that in mind.

Along the same lines, how many real paranormal events remain unreported? I'm sure that more than a few professional skeptics know the partial answer to that question.

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Lie detector tests can be useful, but so much depends on who is giving it and whether they are really neutral.

Some talk shows prove that on a routine basis. Polygraph tests can be dangerous in the wrong hands.

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I don't think demons would need metal balls to fly around in.

I agree with you. However, fundamentalists might say that the craft is just part of the deception.

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I have no doubt many people believe their own interpretation, that does not mean they were right to begin with though.

I honestly do believe you are overstating the "accounts".

It doesn't mean that they were wrong. I believe that you are *under*stating the accounts....infinity! ;)

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Well its not all that it seems to be when we talk about memories,re-call,ect first person events.

Without many,many witnesses and actual proof,were all just something thats our sighting,opinion,Event!

Dang ITs fun to be a first person witness ! You only have yourself to debate with !

It's best to be surrounded by skeptical witnesses with great memories. Our memories can be extremely unreliable at times. This is true even for recollections of mundane and ordinary events that occurred when we were in normal emotional states with less stress. Stress (all kinds) skews our perceptions. Severe stress can prevent us from hearing and seeing reality as it truly is. Then, there's the phenomenon of "making copies of copies" where we change recollections each time they're in our minds, and the changes often make our recollections of the events nothing like the real events, themselves. We add, subtract, alter, etc. events, or we make a xerox of a xerox until our recollections are very faded facsimiles of the original events.

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It doesn't mean that they were wrong. I believe that you are *under*stating the accounts....infinity! ;)

But better and more sound explanations exist. Why are the logically not the best course of action?

I do not believe I am understating the account, I feel you are lumping everything together, as the UFO people tend to, to come up with a heavy end result. It is anything but a true reflection of what is I feel a varied field. It is an illusion of mass, when the mass is fragmented.

If I understand correctly, you are saying what many do - in thousands, if only 1% is genuine, then we have the proof. That one who is genuine has never surfaced, despite actual and literal thousands pursuing this same ideology. That is hope. That is not a statistic in your favour. To consider it such is indeed illustrating bias. Hundreds of tales of Unicorns exist as well.

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But better and more sound explanations exist. Why are the logically not the best course of action?

I do not believe I am understating the account, I feel you are lumping everything together, as the UFO people tend to, to come up with a heavy end result. It is anything but a true reflection of what is I feel a varied field. It is an illusion of mass, when the mass is fragmented.

If I understand correctly, you are saying what many do - in thousands, if only 1% is genuine, then we have the proof. That one who is genuine has never surfaced, despite actual and literal thousands pursuing this same ideology. That is hope. That is not a statistic in your favour. To consider it such is indeed illustrating bias. Hundreds of tales of Unicorns exist as well.

With all due respect, some skepticism reaches the level of extremism when it's based on explanations that are much less likely than the events and/or stories, themselves. Occam's Razor sometimes cuts in favor of the people who have the paranormal experience. It's also too convenient to dismiss *all* stories because they don't meet some unrealistic burden of proof that often is impossible to meet. It sounds like you have to literally see it to believe it. Of course, some claims of the paranormal and conspiracies are bogus. That's probably not the case when there are multitudes of credible witnesses, though, and I don't understand why that would seem confusing to you. It's all about odds. The odds are that the experienced pilot really did see the flying saucer that was witnessed by a hundred other people at the same time, although I wasn't there at the time to see it for myself.

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I agree with you. However, fundamentalists might say that the craft is just part of the deception.

I could say the same thing about you.

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Are aliens pretending to be demons or are demons pretending to be aliens? Maybe its Sasquatches pretending to be demons while demons are pretending to be Sasquatches and the aliens really are just little pixies. I'm sure there has to be some Bible verse somewhere that makes all this clear.

Well, the idea is demons can be directly responsible for deceptions, illusions, and weird phenomenon in order to fuel people's interest in UFOs and Bigfoot. In order to distract masses from God and cast doubt upon the Bible.

Or perhaps have an indirect link to these things, in that they operate through the thoughts and actions of individuals that act as demonically oppressed pawns.

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Well, the idea is demons can be directly responsible for deceptions, illusions, and weird phenomenon in order to fuel people's interest in UFOs and Bigfoot. In order to distract masses from God and cast doubt upon the Bible.

What would be the point of changing one absurd and unsubstantiated belief with another?

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With all due respect, some skepticism reaches the level of extremism when it's based on explanations that are much less likely than the events and/or stories, themselves.

Ohh, I agree with that, but I see no reason to believe that is the case here.

Occam's Razor sometimes cuts in favor of the people who have the paranormal experience. It's also too convenient to dismiss *all* stories because they don't meet some unrealistic burden of proof that often is impossible to meet.

Imposible to meet? It's tales of the supernatural, i.e. superstition. I do not see how Occams Razor can be in favour of the claimant without a level of belief in the supernatural, which would violate Occams Razor.

It sounds like you have to literally see it to believe it.

Empirical evidence would suffice.

Of course, some claims of the paranormal and conspiracies are bogus.

Some? James Randi still has his money.

That's probably not the case when there are multitudes of credible witnesses, though, and I don't understand why that would seem confusing to you. It's all about odds. The odds are that the experienced pilot really did see the flying saucer that was witnessed by a hundred other people at the same time, although I wasn't there at the time to see it for myself.

The odds are stacked to one side. What you have is interpretation, did the pilot see a flying saucer? I doubt it, he saw a UFO, the connection to otherworld technology is already made. I bet you would get differing descriptions form the hundred people. That is how this phenomena rolls. Out of the thousands of cases, what percentage do you envisage as being genuine?

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I don't think demons would need metal balls to fly around in.

Yes, of course, but remember that these are evil beings determined to fool you, so they would use them to make you think they aren't really demons. You have to give it to them that they are clever.

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Yes, of course, but remember that these are evil beings determined to fool you, so they would use them to make you think they aren't really demons. You have to give it to them that they are clever.

You cant be serious. :unsure2:

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You cant be serious. :unsure2:

Are you sure?

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Yes, of course, but remember that these are evil beings determined to fool you, so they would use them to make you think they aren't really demons. You have to give it to them that they are clever.

You are talking about politicians?

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Politicians, of course, but also lawyers and salesmen of the used car variety and land agents and termite inspectors.

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Hazzard what do you think of Aleister Crowley?

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Hazzard what do you think of Aleister Crowley?

I think he worked too hard at being "strange",... his way of trying to break away from the strict religious environment he grew up in I imagine.

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I think he worked too hard at being "strange",... his way of trying to break away from the strict religious environment he grew up in I imagine.

But you don't think he actually contacted anything when he was doing all the black magic and occult stuff?

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Another reason I think the Travis Walton was abducted was because after his friends told the cops the cops thought they were lying and just trying to cover up the fact that they murdered him, They searched the woods for days on end and could find nothing. Then all of a suddenly he shows up, I mean yeah he could have lied about it, But then why when all his friends took the lie detector test did they pass.

I recall a part in the movie where it seemed like he was taken from one ship and then to a hanger or something where the individuals escorting him where described as humans that had some sort of suits on. I'm pretty sure that in the documentary he mentioned this and something about being transported from an area where he entered a air craft hanger , sort of like area 51 . I can't recall if he stated that he suspected possible government involement later on , but not at that present time when it had occured.

Personally , I have different feelings about the movie after viewing the documentary that i've seen. I certainly do think that something occured , only I'm not certain of whether or not it was actually aliens .

You asked someone about Crowley , Crowley was a awful individual , an evil man he was that hurt children in the most horrible way because he believed it empowered him . I despise the man and because of that I say he was evil.

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I could say the same thing about you.

What does that mean? If you have something to say, say it.

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Ohh, I agree with that, but I see no reason to believe that is the case here.

MY REPLY: Credible witnesses make the difference. All of them aren't dishonest or mistaken.

Imposible to meet? It's tales of the supernatural, i.e. superstition. I do not see how Occams Razor can be in favour of the claimant without a level of belief in the supernatural, which would violate Occams Razor.

MY REPLY: I disagree with that in this way. If a trusted, experienced pilot reports a sighting along with scores of ordinary people at the same time, the most likely outcome is that they have a shared experience.

Empirical evidence would suffice.

MY REPLY: There's nothing wrong with that. There are instances where this is not possible, though (see my example).

Some? James Randi still has his money.

MY REPLY: He's a jerk and a joke. Let him keep his money.

The odds are stacked to one side. What you have is interpretation, did the pilot see a flying saucer? I doubt it, he saw a UFO, the connection to otherworld technology is already made. I bet you would get differing descriptions form the hundred people. That is how this phenomena rolls. Out of the thousands of cases, what percentage do you envisage as being genuine?

MY REPLY: They all saw a flying saucer at the same time, but the craft could have been terrestrial, for all they knew. I'll say that a tenth to a quarter of cases are valid in some way, but don't quote me on that.

Edited by Detective Mystery 2013

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