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I think he worked too hard at being "strange",... his way of trying to break away from the strict religious environment he grew up in I imagine.

This probably is true. He was the profane pop/rock star of his day.

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MY REPLY: Credible witnesses make the difference. All of them aren't dishonest or mistaken.

Credible witnesses say they saw something they canot identify, and I agree, these are the claims that are the more noteworthy, however, from a neutral stance nothing can be ascertained. What we have is a mystery. Just like the 1896 Airships.

MY REPLY: I disagree with that in this way. If a trusted, experienced pilot reports a sighting along with scores of ordinary people at the same time, the most likely outcome is that they have a shared experience.

Yes, that much is true , however, drawing conclusions from speculations is where we tend to go off the rails.

MY REPLY: There's nothing wrong with that. There are instances where this is not possible, though (see my example).

If a thing is not subject to repeatability, I am not sure why it should be considered genuine.

MY REPLY: He's a jerk and a joke. Let him keep his money.

In your opinion perhaps, but is this not just as bad as the blind skeptics you chastise? On what do you base this? His success? I have seen some of those going for the challenge, and they failed miserably. His explanations of the tricksters that make these wild claims are clean, precise, and in my opinion, rather benign. He did the world a service with Uri Geller, and I doubt anyone can deny that.

MY REPLY: They all saw a flying saucer at the same time, but the craft could have been terrestrial, for all they knew. I'll say that a tenth to a quarter of cases are valid in some way, but don't quote me on that.

So where lies the mystery if the craft is terrestrial? I do not for one second deny the UFO phenomena, but I do feel that people jump to conclusions far too quickly. There is no proof of ET visitation, there is merely speculation. Nobody haas ever seen an ET craft, so how do we have so many experts that identify craft from other planets?

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But you don't think he actually contacted anything when he was doing all the black magic and occult stuff?

I think he smoked a lot of Opium and only mentioned half the things he "saw". Tesla was a brilliant man. But when he was high on pot he thought he could contact Venusians.

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What would be the point of changing one absurd and unsubstantiated belief with another?

One could underhand the other that's why. When people get all obsessed about this UFO business, the role of God and his laws could be diminished to nil existant in these individuals because they are caught up with a different spirit than God's Holy Spirit. Living everyday to God is important to Christians. These individuals reject God (or openly rebel against God even) because the Devil is actively deceiving and misleading them with miracles, illusions, and false wonders a la the UFO phenomenon.

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One could underhand the other that's why. When people get all obsessed about this UFO business, the role of God and his laws could be diminished to nil existant in these individuals because they are caught up with a different spirit than God's Holy Spirit. Living everyday to God is important to Christians. These individuals reject God (or openly rebel against God even) because the Devil is actively deceiving and misleading them with miracles, illusions, and false wonders a la the UFO phenomenon.

How do you know this to be so? I'm trying to grasp what you mean in mentioning miracles , illusions, and false wonders,and the devil . I understand the devil as something in the way, sort of like an obstacle in the way of you , when trying to reach a certain point ,or, when you just can't seem to get out of that dark forest ,that was actually the true meaning of that word devil . So , when did it become something other? Or why , who , how ? What people rewrote it's definition to mean something other than it's original meaning?

I watched something once on reverse engenering and a space craft , it absolutly is amazing what sound can do ! Not even an illusion , but reality !

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Demons were invented to shirk personal responsibility and the gods were created to ask for forgiveness for those transgressions (and have a spiffy afterlife), JMO.

How can we possibly equate aliens, which have not been proven to exist at all, with demons, an invention to explain bad behavior? Neither technically exist! Why not ask the question Are Aliens actually the Tooth Fairies agents?

IF, and I do not believe this, demons existed they do not need to do anything to 'dissuade' people from belief. Isn't it one of the main principles of at least one major religion that humans were given free will to choose? Of course if you choose wrong then it is infinite fecal sandwiches forever but hey, god/gods love you no matter what...unless you don't believe in them. Seems a bit psychotic to me, but what do I know (I'll bring some mayo to make them sandwiches a bit more bearable)? It has been happening for thousands of years. If it didn't there wouldn't be religious texts telling us if we are naughty the all-loving being/beings will have us punished for eternity?

UFO's exist. Hell's bells I see them everyday (I really need new glasses). Aliens might exist somewhere. Here? Not likely and as stated so far there is zero evidence to support ALIENZ R H3R3!!

I'd love to be wrong incidentally. I found this page years ago with that exact aim. I used to have the mindset that since the net was so huge that there might be credible information 'out there' that wouldn't, for whatever reason, make it to the mainstream. So far it has been the same twuck regurgitated over and over again. Nothing new just the same, at best, ambiguous stories and way too many snake oil salesmen.

Humans are far from perfect observers no matter their perceived authority. People will make reality out of incomplete fragmentary information and believe it with unshakable conviction. It does not make it true. Finally people will perpetuate fibs, I say fibs because most do not think it causes harm even though they are lies.

Humans are wacky critters to be sure. All of this is, of course, JMO.

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I think he smoked a lot of Opium and only mentioned half the things he "saw". Tesla was a brilliant man. But when he was high on pot he thought he could contact Venusians.

so you think he saw more than he was telling people about?

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I recall a part in the movie where it seemed like he was taken from one ship and then to a hanger or something where the individuals escorting him where described as humans that had some sort of suits on. I'm pretty sure that in the documentary he mentioned this and something about being transported from an area where he entered a air craft hanger , sort of like area 51 . I can't recall if he stated that he suspected possible government involement later on , but not at that present time when it had occured.

Personally , I have different feelings about the movie after viewing the documentary that i've seen. I certainly do think that something occured , only I'm not certain of whether or not it was actually aliens .

You asked someone about Crowley , Crowley was a awful individual , an evil man he was that hurt children in the most horrible way because he believed it empowered him . I despise the man and because of that I say he was evil.

Yeah I agree with you on the Travis Walton thing something did happen, but what it was I dont quite know

Yeah Crowley I had brought up originally because of the drawing he called LAM which looks a lot like E.T. Greys, I know he was a rotten person though

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Psyche, we can't repeat many or most events in such a strict environment. How does Randi expect to test a mass sighting of a unique event? It's impossible. As for my comment about him, it mostly has to do with his creepy eugenicist leanings.

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Demons were invented to shirk personal responsibility and the gods were created to ask for forgiveness for those transgressions (and have a spiffy afterlife), JMO.

How can we possibly equate aliens, which have not been proven to exist at all, with demons, an invention to explain bad behavior? Neither technically exist! Why not ask the question Are Aliens actually the Tooth Fairies agents?

IF, and I do not believe this, demons existed they do not need to do anything to 'dissuade' people from belief. Isn't it one of the main principles of at least one major religion that humans were given free will to choose? Of course if you choose wrong then it is infinite fecal sandwiches forever but hey, god/gods love you no matter what...unless you don't believe in them. Seems a bit psychotic to me, but what do I know (I'll bring some mayo to make them sandwiches a bit more bearable)? It has been happening for thousands of years. If it didn't there wouldn't be religious texts telling us if we are naughty the all-loving being/beings will have us punished for eternity?

UFO's exist. Hell's bells I see them everyday (I really need new glasses). Aliens might exist somewhere. Here? Not likely and as stated so far there is zero evidence to support ALIENZ R H3R3!!

I'd love to be wrong incidentally. I found this page years ago with that exact aim. I used to have the mindset that since the net was so huge that there might be credible information 'out there' that wouldn't, for whatever reason, make it to the mainstream. So far it has been the same twuck regurgitated over and over again. Nothing new just the same, at best, ambiguous stories and way too many snake oil salesmen.

Humans are far from perfect observers no matter their perceived authority. People will make reality out of incomplete fragmentary information and believe it with unshakable conviction. It does not make it true. Finally people will perpetuate fibs, I say fibs because most do not think it causes harm even though they are lies.

Humans are wacky critters to be sure. All of this is, of course, JMO.

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I get that, but this is directed at individuals who think that one or both entities are real. You think that both beings are no more real than the Easter Bunny, and you have that right. I'll then change the topic for you. Is Santa Claus more real than the Easter Bunny? ;) Seriously, I agree with some of your beliefs. It's true that the idea of the gods is/was used to gain control and power over many people. Christian churches aren't/weren't immune to that. We differ in that I believe that "extra-human" beings exist. How can we say *for sure* that they don't? We can more realistically say that they may or may not. There is just so much about reality that we can't even grasp, let alone master, and science (in the historical record) goes where the current "proof" takes it. It could be that *all* of our interpretations of life are off the mark in some way.

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I get that, but this is directed at individuals who think that one or both entities are real. You think that both beings are no more real than the Easter Bunny, and you have that right. I'll then change the topic for you. Is Santa Claus more real than the Easter Bunny? ;) Seriously, I agree with some of your beliefs. It's true that the idea of the gods is/was used to gain control and power over many people. Christian churches aren't/weren't immune to that. We differ in that I believe that "extra-human" beings exist. How can we say *for sure* that they don't? We can more realistically say that they may or may not. There is just so much about reality that we can't even grasp, let alone master, and science (in the historical record) goes where the current "proof" takes it. It could be that *all* of our interpretations of life are off the mark in some way.

Wouldn't the "extra-humans" be just as unlikely as the aliens and demons then? If we cannot observe any of these "beings" then for all intenstive purposes it is just another spirit/god/demon or whatever you choose to call it. Science goes where there is consistent data, at least that is the way I see it. The reason we do not have scientist studying ghost, demons, spirits, extraterrestrials or other para-super-natural beings is that so far they have found to be critters of belief/faith. I cannot imagine any person of science turning down an opportunity to discover these things (regardless of grand conspiracies as some believe). Lack of evidence does not equal evidence. We do not know if any of these things exist. Critical thinking should lead us to assume they do not until the evidence says otherwise. JMO of course.

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Wouldn't the "extra-humans" be just as unlikely as the aliens and demons then? If we cannot observe any of these "beings" then for all intenstive purposes it is just another spirit/god/demon or whatever you choose to call it. Science goes where there is consistent data, at least that is the way I see it. The reason we do not have scientist studying ghost, demons, spirits, extraterrestrials or other para-super-natural beings is that so far they have found to be critters of belief/faith. I cannot imagine any person of science turning down an opportunity to discover these things (regardless of grand conspiracies as some believe). Lack of evidence does not equal evidence. We do not know if any of these things exist. Critical thinking should lead us to assume they do not until the evidence says otherwise. JMO of course.

I mean that some scientific "facts" change over time. It may just scratch the surface of what reality truly is. It indeed is vital to our evolution as a species in the sense that it propels us ever forward, and it helps us make sense of nature, to use it to improve ourselves. Science and spirituality don't need to be antagonists. One doesn't have to ignore or insult the other. They can work together in harmony. There are times when these debates can turn into presentations of false dichotomies. We should feel free to step out of our boxes when situations call for doing so.

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I mean that some scientific "facts" change over time. It may just scratch the surface of what reality truly is. It indeed is vital to our evolution as a species in the sense that it propels us ever forward, and it helps us make sense of nature, to use it to improve ourselves. Science and spirituality don't need to be antagonists. One doesn't have to ignore or insult the other. They can work together in harmony. There are times when these debates can turn into presentations of false dichotomies. We should feel free to step out of our boxes when situations call for doing so.

I agree with you, and science and religion dont have to go against each other.

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Demons exist within us (inside). No need to search anywhere.

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so you think he saw more than he was telling people about?

Pink elephants. Unicorns, rivers of psychedelic rainbows, I bet he "saw" quite a bit on Opium. Nothing he experienced on Opium was actually supernatural. It's why people take it I believe. To escape reality. He just sold his dreams was all.

People were pretty religious and rather naive back then too, you only had to say your had a neutral opinion of the devil, and people would fear you. Although not all that long ago, it was commonplace to believe in witches, spells and the like. I suppose that is why Fonzie was considered tough in the day? Imagine him fronting an LA street gang?

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Crowley would not command the interest he did back than today. He would just be another drugged out nutter.

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Psyche, we can't repeat many or most events in such a strict environment. How does Randi expect to test a mass sighting of a unique event? It's impossible. As for my comment about him, it mostly has to do with his creepy eugenicist leanings.

The main and most prominent mas hallucination I can think of is the Fatima event, and it was indeed predicted. Any event will do. And demonstration will do. All it must pass is a test of honesty, and that is not only where every challenge to date has fallen down, but it does seem more than suspicious that this upsets people.

Are you taking about his survival of the fittest comment? That seems to be at the heart of this eugenics claim?

I’m a believer in Social Darwinism. Not in every case. I would do anything to stop a twelve-year-old kid from doing it. Sincerely. But in general, I think that Darwinism, survival of the fittest, should be allowed to act itself out. As long as it doesn’t interfere with me and other sensible, rational people who could be affected by it. Innocent people, in other words.

May I ask, why do you find this statement offensive? I thought most people were of this opinion?

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Demons exist within us (inside). No need to search anywhere.

Good call.

Now that is profound, accurate, and impossible to deny. I find this the most accurate description in the thread.

Well said. :tu:

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Pink elephants. Unicorns, rivers of psychedelic rainbows, I bet he "saw" quite a bit on Opium. Nothing he experienced on Opium was actually supernatural. It's why people take it I believe. To escape reality. He just sold his dreams was all.

People were pretty religious and rather naive back then too, you only had to say your had a neutral opinion of the devil, and people would fear you. Although not all that long ago, it was commonplace to believe in witches, spells and the like. I suppose that is why Fonzie was considered tough in the day? Imagine him fronting an LA street gang?

fonz.jpg

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Crowley would not command the interest he did back than today. He would just be another drugged out nutter.

Tesla was amazing, I didn't get to post that before and I wasn't aware that he smoked marijuana.

Those are good points you made and they came along with pictures, thumbs up

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Demons exist within us (inside). No need to search anywhere.

Most of us can agree on that. I definitely won't search for demons.

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For those of us who don´t believe in either, this is a really weird topic question. Like: "Is Santa Claus really the Easter Bunny"?

How does one comment on a double absurdity like that.

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The main and most prominent mas hallucination I can think of is the Fatima event, and it was indeed predicted. Any event will do. And demonstration will do. All it must pass is a test of honesty, and that is not only where every challenge to date has fallen down, but it does seem more than suspicious that this upsets people.

Are you taking about his survival of the fittest comment? That seems to be at the heart of this eugenics claim?

I’m a believer in Social Darwinism. Not in every case. I would do anything to stop a twelve-year-old kid from doing it. Sincerely. But in general, I think that Darwinism, survival of the fittest, should be allowed to act itself out. As long as it doesn’t interfere with me and other sensible, rational people who could be affected by it. Innocent people, in other words.

May I ask, why do you find this statement offensive? I thought most people were of this opinion?

Fatima is just one example of a shared incident. It doesn't explain the hundreds of others that have little or nothing to do with it. It definitely can't be used to debunk them without failing the BS test. Your quote is not that offensive, but this site gives a few more of them that aren't so uncontroversial.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/godandthemachine/2013/02/randitheeugenicis/

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For those of us who don´t believe in either, this is a really weird topic question. Like: "Is Santa Claus really the Easter Bunny"?

How does one comment on a double absurdity like that.

Read the previous 321 posts. Maybe that will answer your question.

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Read the previous 321 posts. Maybe that will answer your question.

You mean my urgent question if Santa is really the Easter Bunny has been answered?

Do tell!! Which message, please?

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Tesla was amazing, I didn't get to post that before and I wasn't aware that he smoked marijuana.

Those are good points you made and they came along with pictures, thumbs up

I agree with Tesla, heck, the fluoro tube alone is an amazing piece of ingenuity. I would really have liked to have seen more of his wireless electricity, but it it's nice to know he finally got recognition for inventing the radio.

I do not think it is well advertised that he was a bit of a stoner. But on the plus side, he has inspired a lot of stoners to think I suppose.

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Fatima is just one example of a shared incident. It doesn't explain the hundreds of others that have little or nothing to do with it. It definitely can't be used to debunk them without failing the BS test. Your quote is not that offensive, but this site gives a few more of them that aren't so uncontroversial.

http://www.patheos.c...ditheeugenicis/

But Fatima is an event that could be documented Are not many religious "miracles" like bleeding statues, or the claim of stigmata ongoing phenomena that not only are claimed to be repeated, but can be predicted? It just seems to me that examples exist, but are not tested, and left to faith?

With Randi's comment, he himself had this to say:

I received this direct quote from Mr. Randi through the James Randi Education Foundation:

The statement “I’m a believer in social Darwinism,” did not come from me. In fact, I had to look up the expression to learn what was being referred to. This attack appears to be calling me a Nazi, nothing less. I demand that Mr. Storr refer me to the original sources to which we assume he has referred. Until then, I’ll only say that he has carefully selected phrases and statements out of context, not the sort of referencing that I would have expected from him.

But if we say these are his exact words, I still do not see them as offensive, if I may illustrate:

[T]hose individuals who were stupid enough to rush into the arms of the mythical houris and/or Adonis’s they would expect to greet them, would simply do so and die – by whatever chemical or biological fate would overcome them… [T]he principle of Survival of the Fittest would draconically prove itself for a couple of years, after which Natural Selection would weed out those for whom there is no hope except through our forbearance.

Any weeping and wailing over the Poor Little Kids who would perish by immediately gobbling down pills and injecting poison, is summoning up crocodile tears, in my opinion. They would – and presently do – mature into grown-up idiots, and Darwin would be appalled that his lessons were ignored.

He would be describing a crack junkie thief would he not? Gang members? People who want to upset society as their idea of a model society, one where they are the leaders? Would we miss such an element of society?

I’m a believer in Social Darwinism. Not in every case. I would do anything to stop a twelve-year-old kid from doing it. Sincerely. But in general, I think that Darwinism, survival of the fittest, should be allowed to act itself out. As long as it doesn’t interfere with me and other sensible, rational people who could be affected by it. Innocent people, in other words.

We are good on this one I believe? Not to mention Randi says this is out of context?

These are stupid people. And if they can’t survive, they don’t have the IQ, don’t have the thinking power to be able to survive, it’s unfortunate; I would hate to see it happen, but at the same time, it would clear the air

Obviously some tongue in cheek that some could find offensive, but overall, pretty benign. Is this any worse?

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Just Google Stupid People, Randi is anything but alone with this comment.

I think that people with mental aberrations who have family histories of inherited diseases and such, that something should be done seriously to educate them to prevent them from procreating. I think they should be gathered together in a suitable place and have it demonstrated for them what their procreation would mean for the human race.

People like Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini?

What we do not see is anyone asking Randi, nor do we see his points refuted. I tend to find drama as a successful mask. And I have to say, the comments and complaints seem to revolve around one persons fragmented opinion of some misquotes. But I do believe the nature of his challenge is likely to make him many enemies as he has taken the magic out of the trick. How do you feel about the obvious charlatans he has exposed? Do you not see that as a service to humanity? I thought he deserved a medal for ousting Popoff?

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