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Are Extraterrestrials Really Demons?

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I wonder why he chose the planet Venus though, and isnt it obscured by a blanket of clouds

You ask the most sensible yet brief questions. I really like your posting mate. It's a pleasure to converse with you.

In the early 1900's. Venus and Mars were consider to have civilisations on them just as Earth does. Many people completely expected contact from these worlds, and indeed, this is one of the main reasons the War of the Worlds radio broadcast by Orson Wells created so much panic.

It started with Mars, a fellow called Giovanni Schiaparelli studied Mars on its closest approach, and thought he could see canals. A rather more zealous chap called Percival Lowell furthered this idea, and insisted they were indeed canals, and were irrigating intelligent civilisations. The idea started to die out in the early 1900's when spectroscopic analysis showed no water in the Martian atmosphere, this was of course confirmed in 1965 with Mariner 4. In the meantime however, Venus rose to take the throne left empty by Mars. Between 1930 and 1950 Venusians took flavour, kickstarted by a magazine series by Edgar Rice Burroughs. "The Venus Series". A number of Sci Fi authors leaned on his success and all of a sudden Venus was in the news, and indeed has always been considered earths twin sister since ancient times. People came on TV who claimed to be able to channel Venusians, (and occasionally martians) regularly and the TV hosts offered them complete credibility, on the shows I have seen anyway, and the trend continued, Many supposed contactees of the 1950s such as George Adamski, Howard Menger, and Luis Maertens have claimed to have encountered friendly human-like Venusians.

People completely expected there to be both Martians and Venusians living on these planets in very earth like conditions. Until exploration proved otherwise. It is indeed obscured by cloud but that looks rather solid from a distance, I have viewed it many times myself, and I swear it looks like a boiling scary place to me, yet at the same time, very beautiful and somewhat humbling to realise one is looking at another planet comparable in size to our earth. I understand how Ed Mitchell felt floating in space looking back at Earth, what an opening experience that must have been.

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What's prideful about sharing an experience? There's no guile if they share their encounters in factual ways, not intentionally embellishing facts pertinent to the case.

I thought the humbling bit was referring to the reactions and conclusion. I might be wrong though.

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I agree with that. We all do it. Both reflexive debunkers and true believers have tendencies to narrowly interpret some experiences based on their personal conceptions of life. I'll let you have the last word because this thread is turning into a forum version of Methusaleh.

I thought that was the point of a thread? The BE thread has had 4 incarnations!

This works both ways. A narrow view can also lead people to consider the prosaic unworthy of their "grand experience".

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What did you interpret these experiences as?

My most common experience is to awaken and realized someone is looking at me -- generally my grandmother but sometimes my mom or dad or an aunt. Soon as I open my eyes they disappear.Now it might be that my dead relatives watch over me as I sleep; what I nice thought, but it is more likely my wishful thinking in a quasi-dream. The fact is I don't know and there is no way for me to know, so I have to leave it alone.

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What's prideful about sharing an experience? There's no guile if they share their encounters in factual ways, not intentionally embellishing facts pertinent to the case.

Well of course it is prideful to think we have special experiences that others don't, and I hate to have to tell you this but a very large portion of such stories are either invented or at least embellished out of a desire to get attention. This does not have to be deliberate dishonesty -- as the person tells the story they convince themselves of it too.

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Thanks for the reminder of Percival Lowell, one of the most arrogant astronomers of history. His name would be forgotten except he had the money to invest in telescopes, which, however, he kept for his personal use. He saw all sorts of things on Mars that no one else saw, that he attributed to his better observing techniques, and the press largely reported what he said he saw as fact, even though other astronomers were doubtful. Of course it was all in his head.

I remember in college (at the time I was an astronomy major although I later switched to data processing) being so disappointed when the first radar images from Venus reported the truth of the situation there, and not the steamy Silurian jungle we all expected. I held my breath on the subject until the Russian lander made the truth impossible to deny.

I remember thinking it was kinda like the Odyssey. The Greeks populated unknown places with all sorts of beings. Nowadays we seem to have a tendency to do the same thing.

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Thanks for that info psyche much appreciated, Iv learned a lot from your posts.

Frank that sounds very reasonable and I agree with you there is nothing you can do with that but leave it alone

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Well of course it is prideful to think we have special experiences that others don't, and I hate to have to tell you this but a very large portion of such stories are either invented or at least embellished out of a desire to get attention. This does not have to be deliberate dishonesty -- as the person tells the story they convince themselves of it too.

It's just as wrong to be dismissive of all experiences. Frankly, I don't trust many so-called "skeptics" to approach the paranormal in an honest manner. Some of their attempted debunking is as lame and ludicrous as the most outrageous claims of true believers. The "swamp gas" strategy just won't cut it these days.

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Nobody really knows that there are not Alien Demons ! Sleep on that !

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Well of course it is prideful to think we have special experiences that others don't, and I hate to have to tell you this but a very large portion of such stories are either invented or at least embellished out of a desire to get attention. This does not have to be deliberate dishonesty -- as the person tells the story they convince themselves of it too.

That attitude is the height of arrogance and ignorance. Some people indeed experience unique events that the rest of us don't. Who are we to say that *all* of them were just mistaken in their interpretations of their personal experiences? Now *that's* true hubris.

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That attitude is the height of arrogance and ignorance. Some people indeed experience unique events that the rest of us don't. Who are we to say that *all* of them were just mistaken in their interpretations of their personal experiences? Now *that's* true hubris.

By the same token, who is qualified to verify the supernatural? One thing we do have here is a common denominator, human error. One cannot base conclusions totally on a visual aspect, nor a belief.

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Welll I would think the supernatural would exibit the same kind of things in a lot of peoples minds, if suddenly my comforter started floating in the air would you call that supernatural?

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Welll I would think the supernatural would exibit the same kind of things in a lot of peoples minds, if suddenly my comforter started floating in the air would you call that supernatural?

Unless you live in Texas then it could be a twister,or Explosion next door ! Just saying? :tu:

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By the same token, who is qualified to verify the supernatural? One thing we do have here is a common denominator, human error. One cannot base conclusions totally on a visual aspect, nor a belief.

Some claims are valid. Some claims are invalid. It's not accurate or fair to say that all witnesses are dishonest or mistaken when you have no evidence to do so. Take each case on its own particular merits.

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Unless you live in Texas then it could be a twister,or Explosion next door ! Just saying? :tu:

Do you live in Texas ?

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Some claims are valid. Some claims are invalid. It's not accurate or fair to say that all witnesses are dishonest or mistaken when you have no evidence to do so. Take each case on its own particular merits.

Most people do. But we all know that eyewitnesses are notorious for getting things wrong. And we also know that the internet is smack full of hoaxes and liers.

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Most people do. But we all know that eyewitnesses are notorious for getting things wrong. And we also know that the internet is smack full of hoaxes and liers.

That's true. It's not fair to reflexively put all claimants in the same category, though.

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Do you live in Texas ?

Ya cuddnt tell Man?

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Ya cuddnt tell Man?

LOL

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Some claims are valid. Some claims are invalid. It's not accurate or fair to say that all witnesses are dishonest or mistaken when you have no evidence to do so. Take each case on its own particular merits.

Don't physics count?

It's even less accurate to accept an outcome as accurate when based upon a statistic too.

Has any supernatural example ever managed to leave the realm of the supernatural and make it's way into the real world? As such, how is it valid to state that some claims are indeed valid, when not one has ever come close to being proven as factual?

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they seem to be more frightened than us.... link

:unsure2:

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Some claims are valid. Some claims are invalid. It's not accurate or fair to say that all witnesses are dishonest or mistaken when you have no evidence to do so. Take each case on its own particular merits.

You make an absurdity sound so sensible. When people are claiming lala, the presumption that they are dishonest or mistaken is valid all the time. Absence of evidence to do so is not needed; evidence not to do so is essential.

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That's true. It's not fair to reflexively put all claimants in the same category, though.

It's perfectly fair to put all claimants of the same thing in the same category.

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Welll I would think the supernatural would exibit the same kind of things in a lot of peoples minds, if suddenly my comforter started floating in the air would you call that supernatural?

Not at all, not without a thorough investigation.

Some people might think something like this is supernatural. But it's not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBwiSWkjHlA

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they seem to be more frightened than us.... link

:unsure2:

So that is where they found him huh?

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