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I remember hearing or reading a story a while ago about a race of red haired giants living in a cave in what I believe was the American southwest. From the few details I can recall apparently the supposed giants used to do battle with and even eat the Native American tribes that lived in the area at the time. The only other detail I can remember is that supposedly the Native Americans boarded up the entrance to the cave and smoked the giants to death. Is anyone else familier with this story, or heard anything similiar? Any info would be appreciated (:

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I have read about the same thing,though i have also read about these red haired giants across several different countries in the past.A giant though meant only 7 to 8 feet.Not sure about any validity.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Si-Te-Cah

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_Cave_mummy

http://frontiers-of-anthropology.blogspot.com/2012/09/spirit-cave-mummy.html

Lovelock Cave and Spirit Cave are two sites in western Nevada that may be associated with the legend. Lovelock Cave is a more recent site, but it's difficult to substantiate what exactly was originally found there. Spirit Cave was better excavated and yielded the interesting find of a mummy dating c. 11.5kya. Examiners suggested it was similar to the Kennewick Man, bearing caucasoidal features and resembling Ainu and Europeans.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Si-Te-Cah

http://en.wikipedia....irit_Cave_mummy

http://frontiers-of-...cave-mummy.html

Lovelock Cave and Spirit Cave are two sites in western Nevada that may be associated with the legend. Lovelock Cave is a more recent site, but it's difficult to substantiate what exactly was originally found there. Spirit Cave was better excavated and yielded the interesting find of a mummy dating c. 11.5kya. Examiners suggested it was similar to the Kennewick Man, bearing caucasoidal features and resembling Ainu and Europeans.

If you run across anything on the red haired people found in china years ago,please post the link do not think they were giants though thanks.

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No, but I have heard that gingers don't have souls.

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No, but I have heard that gingers don't have souls.

LMAO ok cartman haha no offense one of my favorite characters of all time!

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Us ginger giants still exist im 6"8 maybe not 12 ft but close enough

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And yet, a written report by James H. Hart, the first of two miners to excavate the cave in the fall of 1911, recalls that in the north-central part of the cave, about four feet deep, "was a striking looking body of a man “six feet six inches tall.” His body was mummified and his hair distinctly red."

6ft6', tall yes, giant hardly.

Also, I should point out that hair pigment is not stable after death and that various factors such as temperature, soil, etc. can turn ancient very dark hair rusty red or orange.

It doesn't account for the red-haired peoples traditions, but that can be dyed hair or coloring as well.

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I remember hearing or reading a story a while ago about a race of red haired giants living in a cave in what I believe was the American southwest. From the few details I can recall apparently the supposed giants used to do battle with and even eat the Native American tribes that lived in the area at the time. The only other detail I can remember is that supposedly the Native Americans boarded up the entrance to the cave and smoked the giants to death. Is anyone else familier with this story, or heard anything similiar? Any info would be appreciated (:

Welcome rager , I found a little info ... The Paiute called them the Si-Te-Cah.

http://www.sydhav.no.../lovelock.htm

Dental model post-86645-0-75294500-1360847746_thumb.j

One person that can tell, and show us, how large the skulls are is Stan Nielsen, he went to find the cave and the skull in the museum:

"Prior to a subsequent trip to the area, I borrowed a full-sized plaster dental model of the lower teeth of a normal modern adult from a friend, who was also my dentist. I took the plaster model with me when I next visited the area, in the hopesthat I would be able to compare it with the jaw

from one of the "giants." As I had hoped, the curator at the Winnemucca museum graciously allowed me to compare the plaster model with the jaw from the skull of one of the "giants" in the museum's collection. She placed the jaw down on her desk. I was allowed to place my plaster adult jaw next to jaw from the skull for purposes of comparison. The plaster model was much smaller than the jaw from the skull. In fact, the teeth of the jaw from the skull were almost twice the size of those of my plaster model. There were other factors , too, that distinguished it from today's humans."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Si-Te-Cah

http://www.freerepub...s/1027699/posts

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Regarding the Si-Te-Cah, in the not too distant past this would have been just a story or legend told by the local native Americans. Now with carbon dating and DNA analysis techniques we can actually get a handle on these people provided we have some decent bones or teeth. There are several DNA experts who frequent this site who may comment. To me its a matter of getting decent samples and doing a good job of testing. Done and done. (Someone just has to pay for it!) I sure hope this happens as stuff about early people in the Americas fascinates me!

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I heard that the red hair gene is dying out.

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There are alot of interesting things about giants on stevequayle.com. Incase you're one of those that can't stand any type of religios reference in your reading, much of his research is related to nephilim the giants from the bible.

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I wonder if one of my former forum members was a red- haired giant living in a cave.

He wasn't exactly a giant but he was pretty tall and definetly ginger.

His favourite subject was elf porn and he coined the phrase" quoted for truthery".

For all you know he could be a gentle giant because he wasn't part of the troll " in- crowd".

This is why this expression isn't tainted by association.

Besides don't elves and goblins live in caves?

He could have well have been their chaperone or scribe.

Then later he reported their sexual exploits on the forum.

Not!!

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Well these people would have been quite tall compared to those at the time, as a result could have also been an important part of society. The hair in those areas is generally black, bleaching black hair I heard makes it red. Perhaps through a ceremony or through special significance regarding their height in comparison to the general population at the time they went through a ritual that would bleach their hair and make it red.

The fact that they are mummified supports the theory of importance in those societies.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Si-Te-Cah

http://en.wikipedia....irit_Cave_mummy

http://frontiers-of-...cave-mummy.html

Lovelock Cave and Spirit Cave are two sites in western Nevada that may be associated with the legend. Lovelock Cave is a more recent site, but it's difficult to substantiate what exactly was originally found there. Spirit Cave was better excavated and yielded the interesting find of a mummy dating c. 11.5kya. Examiners suggested it was similar to the Kennewick Man, bearing caucasoidal features and resembling Ainu and Europeans.

That is what I found and think also.

From what I've read about Kennewick Man, the theory is that several ethnic types came over to North America at around the same time, but only the one current Native American group seems to have dominated and survived. Could easily be Ainu related people. They are noted even today for being much larger and stronger in build then the current Japanese population.

Dental model post-86645-0-75294500-1360847746_thumb.j

The teeth look larger, but the arc of the teeth appears to be very close to a normal human size. Depending on how old the jaw is, these could easily be early modern humans, who needed larger teeth for grinding courser food.

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From what I've read about Kennewick Man, the theory is that several ethnic types came over to North America at around the same time, but only the one current Native American group seems to have dominated and survived. Could easily be Ainu related people. They are noted even today for being much larger and stronger in build then the current Japanese population.

This is basically my take on it too. I'm sure several different types of people (probably even people from Europe too) came to N.A. over the coarse of early human history, but only one prevailed in the end.

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I heard that the red hair gene is dying out.

Where ?

There are gingers everywhere

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I'd heard that the red hair gene is dying out to. Percentage-wise it is getting less and less prevalent as the generations go by. The world is moving toward dark hair, brown eyes and browned skin as the norm.

If you read about it online, it smells a lot like an Urban Myth...

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=red+hair+dying+out&oq=red+hair+dying+out&gs_l=hp.3..0j0i5i30j0i8i30l2.1466.5429.0.5678.18.16.0.2.2.1.265.2857.0j10j6.16.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.4.psy-ab.KB-c5Ol_dJY&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42661473,d.cGE&fp=433fe0b56e90867&biw=1396&bih=627

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That is what I found and think also.

From what I've read about Kennewick Man, the theory is that several ethnic types came over to North America at around the same time, but only the one current Native American group seems to have dominated and survived. Could easily be Ainu related people. They are noted even today for being much larger and stronger in build then the current Japanese population.

The teeth look larger, but the arc of the teeth appears to be very close to a normal human size. Depending on how old the jaw is, these could easily be early modern humans, who needed larger teeth for grinding courser food.

ah... thanks for pointing that out DC... ( i noticed that too but didn't know what to think of it )

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ah... thanks for pointing that out DC... ( i noticed that too but didn't know what to think of it )

But, most people will tell you that these could Not be early humans, since they supposedly never made it to North America. Historians would have us believe that only spear using, fire using, pelt wearing Homo Sapiens could make it to America. The spear using, fire using, pelt wearing Homo Erectus, or any other homonid, simply could not have done so. According to accepted history and the archeological record of course.

Neanderthals are now known to have had red hair sometimes, and it would not surprise me if Homo Heidelbergensis did also.

Here is a Heidelbergensis jawbone I found on Wiki... There is no scale, but the teeth size compared to the mandible look larger, like in the picture you posted. And Heidelbergensis is supposed to have been tall, relatively speaking, for an early human.

220px-Unterkiefer_von_Mauer_%28Replika%29.JPG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_heidelbergensis

Male heidelbergensis averaged about 5 ft 9 in (1.75 m) tall and 136 lb (62 kg). Females averaged 5 ft 2 in (1.57 m) and 112 lb (51 kg). A reconstruction of 27 complete human limb bones found in Atapuerca (Burgos, Spain) has helped to determine the height of H. heidelbergensis compared to Homo neanderthalensis, the conclusion was that most H. heidelbergensis averaged about 170 cm (5ft 7in) in height and were only slightly taller than neanderthals. According to Lee R. Berger of the University of Witwatersrand, numerous fossil bones indicate some populations of Heidelbergensis were "giants" routinely over 2.13 m (7 ft) tall and inhabited South Africa between 500,000 and 300,000 years ago.

http://anthro.palomar.edu/homo2/mod_homo_1.htm

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Interesting DieChecker, i guess there might have been pockets of diverse lineage somewhere along the lines that we are not aware of? The bunch starring in this topic could be Unsusual . One other sort of Undocumented statement was on the presence of 15" sandals at the Museum where the teeth were.

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