Why They Do It

[pallidin]

That sounds like Kuklinski. He was known as the Ice Man because he kept one of his victims in a freezer. He was of Irish and Polish descent, and he indeed was very abused when he was a boy, which likely contributed to his career choice as a hit man for the Mob. He murdered for the fun of it (his take on it) too. That was an aberration. Most hit men rubbed out just criminals and witnesses, when they were contracted by the Mafia or the Syndicate, in Kuklinski's day. He killed non-involved civilians if they got on his bad side. He was one huge, scary monster!

Yes, thank you. That was him. I recall that now.

[CrimsonKing]

That's true, but there's a link between the two. Look at the students and young men who took them before they murdered people. You rarely, if ever, heard about school shootings before the age of psychotropic drugs. I doubt that's a coincidence.

Agree with this also,this was the original topic "why they do it".Anyone else care to try and give a reasoning?This is all just debating not sure we can come up with 1 clear answer,current events do seem to have this 1 factor in common though.

[pallidin]

Agree with this also,this was the original topic "why they do it".Anyone else care to try and give a reasoning?This is all just debating not sure we can come up with 1 clear answer,current events do seem to have this 1 factor in common though.

Crimson, the end result is often(though not always) the same:

Death, with or without disfigurement, posing, pre-torturing, live/dead burial, etc...

As such, there appears to be highly different psychiatric motives and killing/disposal methodologies.

In my opinion, you would be correct to suggest no 1 clear answer or no 1 common factor.

I think it differs, quite widely, amongst the minds of these killers. What exactly triggers one killer does not necessarily trigger another.

Just my basic thoughts, though.

Edited February 26, 2013 by pallidin

[CrimsonKing]

Crimson, the end result is often(though not always) the same(Death, with or without disfigurement, posing, burial, etc..)

As such, there appears to be highly different psychiatric motives and killing/disposal methodologies.

In my opinion, you would be correct to suggest no 1 clear answer or no 1 common factor.

I think it differs, quite widely, amongst the minds of these killers. What exactly triggers one killer does not necessarily trigger another.

Just my basic thoughts, though.

About the best all around answer i have seen given on this topic palladin.I think detective started this topic as a brain teaser knowing no clear answer could be given

Going off topic a bit did you ever watch cocaine cowboys 2?I havnt seen it yet myself just never got around to it,the first i have seen about 20 times.Was a very interesting look into the human mind and society in a weird sort of way lol

[pallidin]

I don't think I've seen either movies. Might have to give them a look. Sounds familiar, though.

[CrimsonKing]

I don't think I've seen either movies. Might have to give them a look. Sounds familiar, though.

Worth watching man,crazy as hell.Griselda Blanco may sound familiar she was in the news not that long ago when she was killed.She was the main person in the documentary.

[Antilles]

A lot of this thread has revolved around the discussion of nature versus nurture.

Myself, I think nurture has more to do with it than nature.

Too catered too is as bad as being abused.

Both warp the psyche and produce people who just aren't into society.

Bundy, for me, remains the classic example. The charmer who hated women. Yes, the porn probably didn't help but then I've never believed his self serving confessions in Florida. He would have said anything to save his worthless hide.

[spursfan]

Thanks for the replies detective mystery and others and your comments on my post.

Its hard to say what makes these people the way they are. In the literature i've read on serial and mass killers an abusive childhood or head injuries seem to play a role. I think joel norris wrote a book on the subject. Though i know that the vast majority of victims of child abuse don't turn out bad, nor people with head injuries.

Ted bundy had a loving upbringing, apart from finding out that he was illegitimate as a child and that who he thought was his sister was actually his mother. As antilles says, bundy blamed porn at the end but i too am sceptical of this.The yorkshire ripper here in the UK had a perfectly normal childhood (and i don't believe he was or is insane when he committed his crimes, as is claimed) I think a huge numbers of factors are involved.

Its a fascinating subject but we'll probably never know, humans are infinitely complex.

[No Censorship]

Agree with this also,this was the original topic "why they do it".Anyone else care to try and give a reasoning?This is all just debating not sure we can come up with 1 clear answer,current events do seem to have this 1 factor in common though.

It's likely a combination of factors. There *might* be an unknown universal factor that needs to be present for someone to murder relatively large groups of people who were no threat to them. I should stress that I don't think that it's *just* psychotropic drugs. There must be some aberrant psychological or spiritual trait that serves as a catalyst.

[No Censorship]

A lot of this thread has revolved around the discussion of nature versus nurture.

Myself, I think nurture has more to do with it than nature.

Too catered too is as bad as being abused.

Both warp the psyche and produce people who just aren't into society.

Bundy, for me, remains the classic example. The charmer who hated women. Yes, the porn probably didn't help but then I've never believed his self serving confessions in Florida. He would have said anything to save his worthless hide.

That's true. Some killers have a sense of entitlement because they feel special and superior. They were bred to be narcissists. Still, I think that more killers were abused rather than pampered. Leopold and Loeb fit your description. They were brilliant, wealthy, psychopathic snobs who thought that they were better than other people. They murdered a boy "just for fun". There might be more of them out there than we realize. Look at the snots who bullied the older woman on the school bus. They weren't multiple murderers, but they showed similar sadistic, unfeeling attitudes and personalities. They dehumanized the escort, and they said unspeakably cruel things to her. I'm not saying that they'll grow up to be killers, but they exhibited psychopathic traits.

[No Censorship]

Thanks for the replies detective mystery and others and your comments on my post.

Its hard to say what makes these people the way they are. In the literature i've read on serial and mass killers an abusive childhood or head injuries seem to play a role. I think joel norris wrote a book on the subject. Though i know that the vast majority of victims of child abuse don't turn out bad, nor people with head injuries.

Ted bundy had a loving upbringing, apart from finding out that he was illegitimate as a child and that who he thought was his sister was actually his mother. As antilles says, bundy blamed porn at the end but i too am sceptical of this.The yorkshire ripper here in the UK had a perfectly normal childhood (and i don't believe he was or is insane when he committed his crimes, as is claimed) I think a huge numbers of factors are involved.

Its a fascinating subject but we'll probably never know, humans are infinitely complex.

Thanks for bringing up brain trauma. That indeed plays a role in some cases. It seems quite similar to organic disorders and structural abnormalities in that it contributes to aberrant behavior. There's no doubt that such things sometimes are contributing factors.