the eternal me Posted February 19, 2013 Author #51 Share Posted February 19, 2013 star of the sea..... your loss and sorrow is immense.... a piece of you has been torn away, and you fear that you will never know peace again.... you sit in your sorrow and fear for the future... it is hard to see the love and light that surrounds us all.. but it is there... always.... death is a transition to another state of energy... and energy never dies... just as you are a thought that is floating in an ocean of energy... so are the ones we love... right now it does not matter to which school of thought you subscribe to... which belief system that you were raised with... your sorrow trumps all of that in your loss... it was Carm that called you.... revealed in the true nature of being you have seen her... to reassure you that you will see her again... she has moved to the realm of the angels... you don’t see or live in that realm, but she is with you always... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted February 19, 2013 #52 Share Posted February 19, 2013 So, what really happened? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star of the Sea Posted February 19, 2013 #53 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) star of the sea..... your loss and sorrow is immense.... a piece of you has been torn away, and you fear that you will never know peace again.... you sit in your sorrow and fear for the future... it is hard to see the love and light that surrounds us all.. but it is there... always.... death is a transition to another state of energy... and energy never dies... just as you are a thought that is floating in an ocean of energy... so are the ones we love... right now it does not matter to which school of thought you subscribe to... which belief system that you were raised with... your sorrow trumps all of that in your loss... it was Carm that called you.... revealed in the true nature of being you have seen her... to reassure you that you will see her again... she has moved to the realm of the angels... you don’t see or live in that realm, but she is with you always... I have always wondered if it was her (my twin sis) coming to say 'goodbye' then I have also thought, maybe it was an Angel or even Jesus himself coming to comfort me. I will never forget that light, it was so beautiful. Thanks 'The eternal me' Edited February 19, 2013 by Star of the Sea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrooma Posted February 19, 2013 #54 Share Posted February 19, 2013 jeez! whod've thought that a topic entitled 'if you could ask jesus one question' would bring about so much religious debate!! . me? i'd just ask him if he minded sitting next to mr hitler at my dinner party, while mao zedong sat on the other side, and peter 'your dad said it was ok' sutcliffe sat facing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueogre2 Posted February 19, 2013 #55 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Only one question? Fine. I would ask him to heal me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the eternal me Posted February 19, 2013 Author #56 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Star of the sea ..... you are welcome.... the rest of you.... don’t make assumptions on what i think of myself ... or who you may perceive i think i may be... i was moved to answer .... this thread is to express thoughts and opinions... and to take a look at some things in a logical manner... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritWriter Posted February 19, 2013 #57 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I'd ask him for a kiss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calaf Posted February 19, 2013 #58 Share Posted February 19, 2013 simple question... lets see what folks have to say... Why did you say that your message shouldn't be delivered to the gentiles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritWriter Posted February 19, 2013 #59 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Jesus said that Christians would be persecuted more and more as time went on after His resurrection and ascension, up until the time of the end. Knowing that, I think I'd refine my question. I think I'd ask Him to take a look at the lot of the posts in this thread, and then ask Him if this is the kind of thing He was talking about. And I bet I know the answer. You should ask him this, and listen very closely to the answer.. I believe this is an impending matter.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritWriter Posted February 19, 2013 #60 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Why did you say that your message shouldn't be delivered to the gentiles? The bible answers this question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrooma Posted February 19, 2013 #61 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Star of the sea ..... you are welcome.... the rest of you.... don’t make assumptions on what i think of myself ... or who you may perceive i think i may be... i was moved to answer .... this thread is to express thoughts and opinions... and to take a look at some things in a logical manner... this thread is to express thoughts and opinions... and to take a look at some things in a logical manner... _ religion, by it's very nature, excludes logic. logic is a system of rational thought, designed to take core precepts and strip them down to their bare essences, to see how they function, whereas religion relies on nothing more than blind faith, the willingness to suspend logic, to surrender rational thought to a belief in the assumption of an almighty. . but as a way of expressing opinion, it worked. maybe not the way you expected, but opinions were expressed nonetheless..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritWriter Posted February 19, 2013 #62 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Actually I would ask him to appear visibly/physically before me, sit and chat with me, teach me a lesson by way of one of his famous sermons that I could write down. Before he left I would give him a hug and a kiss. I hope he would say by your faith, you and everyone you bring to me in prayer has been/ will be healed! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted February 19, 2013 #63 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Were you married? If so then I understand why you didnt fight against Romans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the eternal me Posted February 19, 2013 Author #64 Share Posted February 19, 2013 _ religion, by it's very nature, excludes logic. logic is a system of rational thought, designed to take core precepts and strip them down to their bare essences, to see how they function, whereas religion relies on nothing more than blind faith, the willingness to suspend logic, to surrender rational thought to a belief in the assumption of an almighty. . but as a way of expressing opinion, it worked. maybe not the way you expected, but opinions were expressed nonetheless..... ok... yeah expressing opinions is working great... but as the matter of faith? me thinks there is more to it then that... blind faith is one thing... the belief that what someone else tells you is an absolute truth .... (the basis of religious organisations) ( i don’t mean to ruffle feathers with that statement) but faith in the individual based on their own experiences is another thing all together..... there is far more to the universe and the nature of peoples realities then can be summed up in one simple book or discussion.. with each of our own experiences we have our way of seeing it... assimilating the experience if you will... what we know now as technology would have been considered magic a few centuries ago... the "faith" that we have in our technology working is based on a knowing of it working... and you can throw in the argument of "but its a simple machine.. it works because it was made to work like that" ... to the person that this piece of technology is new to... it seems like magic... till they can understand... its a simple argument... but it applies equally in both directions... just because your experience does not encompass what others have experienced... in no way makes their experience any less... an argument over such little details that are "outside the norm" serve no purpose but to fuel the argument... there is so much i have seen in the world that at one time people considered "crazy talk" become a part of the common reality.. as the technology to explain it has come into being we are exposed to a wider and more magical world then our ancestors would have dreamed of... each day there are things happening that expand our world and understanding..... to the point where we sometimes have to sit and question what we believe in ourselves... but that comes back to the experiences of the individual... and the manner in which they try to convey what they have experienced... we are all products of our own lives... and what has come across our paths is what we use to relate new experiences to... when something is outside those things... we seek a manner in which to explain them... in a way that the individual can accept... weather or not someone else can relate to it? well that’s back to experience... what some people see as simple manifestation of intent... others see as miracles.... 2 descriptions of the same event... nothing more... nothing less... its just a matter of the language available in the human database that is available... "the willingness to suspend logic, to surrender rational thought to a belief in the assumption of an almighty" there are those that follow that model... but there are those that see things happen that defy logic... and have gone on a search for a rational answer.. and in the western world... what is past religion is limited... a lot of "new concepts and ways of seeing things" that have been thrown into its own category because it is outside the norm... the norm being the 2 schools of thought.... religious... and scientific.... and in essence that’s what it has always been ... an argument of "this exists ... no it doesn’t" .... then the nitpicking of the details of the argument... which drags it on to the point where many who were interested in what was being discussed walk away... (holy crap am i long winded) one argument that comes to mind.... even within the scientific community... space is empty.... no it isn’t, its full of dark matter... technology now can give solid evidence of dark matter.... 50 years ago? not so much... but the battle and arguments for the one topic went on for a long time... because it was outside the norm... what was beyond the evidence that was present and detectable at the time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the eternal me Posted February 20, 2013 Author #65 Share Posted February 20, 2013 there are things that were considered a matter of faith a few hundred years ago that we now call facts... and on some of those points... the argument has turned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted February 20, 2013 #66 Share Posted February 20, 2013 i find it sad to think that there are so many who read about jesus and want to follow him, I am lucky to have my father to look up to, I also had friends I could talk to. When I lost a close friend or family member, friends and family were there to pull together and help each other through the hard times. I understand if people have no one to talk to or help them through grief so they chose religion. But its a sad state of affairs that so many are without someone alive today who they can be close to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Paranoid Android Posted February 20, 2013 #67 Share Posted February 20, 2013 i find it sad to think that there are so many who read about jesus and want to follow him, I am lucky to have my father to look up to, I also had friends I could talk to. When I lost a close friend or family member, friends and family were there to pull together and help each other through the hard times. I understand if people have no one to talk to or help them through grief so they chose religion. But its a sad state of affairs that so many are without someone alive today who they can be close to. Only lonely people choose Jesus, is that truly what you are trying to say? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted February 20, 2013 #68 Share Posted February 20, 2013 (edited) Only lonely people choose Jesus, is that truly what you are trying to say? No, there are many people who know a lot of people but can not talk to them. I just think it is sad that with all the people in the world some can not sit down with a close friend or family member to talk to when times are hard. But if these people chose religion then thats fine, at least they have found something. But just shows how some humans can not trust their fellow man they have to follow "teachings" from a book...its ok, but not what i would call free will as they follow the same person or entity. Edited February 20, 2013 by freetoroam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhaten-pasheri Posted February 20, 2013 #69 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I would ask who it was who taught him so badly in Alexandria all those years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted February 20, 2013 #70 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Jesus said that Christians would be persecuted more and more as time went on after His resurrection and ascension, up until the time of the end. Knowing that, I think I'd refine my question. I think I'd ask Him to take a look at the lot of the posts in this thread, and then ask Him if this is the kind of thing He was talking about. And I bet I know the answer. He'd tell you to grow up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Lotus Posted February 20, 2013 #71 Share Posted February 20, 2013 i would ask him "tell me why i should give a ****" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrooma Posted February 20, 2013 #72 Share Posted February 20, 2013 (edited) (holy crap am i long winded) . have you any idea how long it took me to delete the rest of this post?? _ space is empty.... no it isn’t, its full of dark matter... technology now can give solid evidence of dark matter.... 50 years ago? not so much... but the battle and arguments for the one topic went on for a long time... because it was outside the norm... what was beyond the evidence that was present and detectable at the time... _ science has't been able to detect dark matter. technology hasn't given ANY solid evidence of it's existence, although physicists working on the particle detector mounted on the outside of the ISS are expected to give an announcement in two weeks' time that they may have found evidence of its existence, to date, there is no evidence whatsoever. Edited February 20, 2013 by shrooma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EllJay Posted February 20, 2013 #73 Share Posted February 20, 2013 i would ask him "tell me why i should give a ****" Maybe he will take you on a "Dante-Tour" to convince you why a **** should be given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Lotus Posted February 20, 2013 #74 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Maybe he will take you on a "Dante-Tour" to convince you why a **** should be given. think ill end up staying in the second circle thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the eternal me Posted February 20, 2013 Author #75 Share Posted February 20, 2013 _ science has't been able to detect dark matter. technology hasn't given ANY solid evidence of it's existence, although physicists working on the particle detector mounted on the outside of the ISS are expected to give an announcement in two weeks' time that they may have found evidence of its existence, to date, there is no evidence whatsoever. ah... but the argument that so many use ... is that the effects of dark matter in the universe is observable, is the most sound and logical explanation... hence the quest for the higs boson.... to which the studies at CERN are finding some compelling evidence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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