Join the Unexplained Mysteries community today! It's free and setting up an account only takes a moment.
- Sign In or Create Account -
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 2
Render

Japan will never stop whaling, minister says

210 posts in this topic

We all know that is merely an excuse to tell the US not to stop Japan fishing. If they cannot fish, they will whale. That is why the 1986 moratorium fell apart.

If this is true it is morally indefensible.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If this is true it is morally indefensible.

I agree, and it is indeed the truth.

Eventually, in June 1986, the Supreme Court ruled in favour of the administration. The deal, apparently, was sealed; in return for keeping its fishing nets full, Japan would hang up its harpoons for good.

The next month, Japan formally withdrew its objection to the whaling moratorium.

Gone west

However, on the US west coast, a completely different issue was raising its head.

In a bid to develop their own industry, US fishermen were pushing for the removal of foreign access to US waters. They were aided by a coalition of 14 NGOs led by Greenpeace who went to court against Japan, claiming its fishing methods harmed porpoises, seals and birds.

The Japanese quota plummeted. From 900,000 tonnes in 1985, it halved in 1986, then fell to 104,000 tonnes the following year. In 1988, the quota was zero; an estimated 130 Japanese fishing boats had nothing to catch.

Shigeko Misaki, who worked with Japanese IWC delegations first as an interpreter and later as an advisor, recalls great anger within the Japanese government and fishing industry at the time.

"(The US) said 'we didn't promise - we just have to give more fish to our fishermen'," she says.

"Anger is the only word that can describe it - why did America have to cheat us like that?"

Within months, Japan had announced it would begin hunting whales for scientific research, a programme that continues to this day.

LINK

As if that was not bad enough, the US said Japan was to blame for the endangered status of whales, when the US themselves, and Russia, historically accounted for far larger annual catches than Japan, and being only 30 or so years from the last war, some feeling were strong enough to allow this personal distrust to affect the entire globe, in fact Japanese goods were smashed in congress in a childish display if defiance, and now the Sea Shepherd uses this bad situation to capitalise upon.

Yes, the US is to blame for todays Whaling, no two ways about it. The way they brazenly waved the Packwood-Magnuson Amendment about sealed that deal, and we now have whaling.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Now I think you go to far -- blaming the Americans for what the Japanese are doing and could easily stop. I have no idea what American behavior may have piqued whom, but all that is beside the point.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree, and it is indeed the truth.

LINK

As if that was not bad enough, the US said Japan was to blame for the endangered status of whales, when the US themselves, and Russia, historically accounted for far larger annual catches than Japan, and being only 30 or so years from the last war, some feeling were strong enough to allow this personal distrust to affect the entire globe, in fact Japanese goods were smashed in congress in a childish display if defiance, and now the Sea Shepherd uses this bad situation to capitalise upon.

Yes, the US is to blame for todays Whaling, no two ways about it. The way they brazenly waved the Packwood-Magnuson Amendment about sealed that deal, and we now have whaling.

Are they to blame for Iceland and Norway too? I do understand this thread is about Japan.

While Japan took offense to the US in the late 1980's, I think they would have began whaling again.

Edited by Myles

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In other words they used it as an excuse. That strikes me as far more likely.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree, and it is indeed the truth.

LINK

As if that was not bad enough, the US said Japan was to blame for the endangered status of whales, when the US themselves, and Russia, historically accounted for far larger annual catches than Japan, and being only 30 or so years from the last war, some feeling were strong enough to allow this personal distrust to affect the entire globe, in fact Japanese goods were smashed in congress in a childish display if defiance, and now the Sea Shepherd uses this bad situation to capitalise upon.

Yes, the US is to blame for todays Whaling, no two ways about it. The way they brazenly waved the Packwood-Magnuson Amendment about sealed that deal, and we now have whaling.

Not that I don't believe you, but I cannot find a year where Japan killed zero whales. When I get time, I'll search a little more.

http://luna.pos.to/whale/sta.html

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Now I think you go to far -- blaming the Americans for what the Japanese are doing and could easily stop. I have no idea what American behavior may have piqued whom, but all that is beside the point.

May I ask if you read the link to the BBC article, and what part of it you disagree with? I would be more than happy to discuss any part of the information you feel is incorrect.

Given the lack of any evidence that Japan is bringing its whaling activities into conformance with the recommendations of the IWC, I am directing the Secretary of State under the Packwood-Magnuson Amendment to withhold 100 percent of the fishing privileges that would otherwise be available to Japan in the U.S. Exclusive Economic Zone. Japan has requested the opportunity to fish for 3,000 metric tons of sea snails and 5,000 metric tons of Pacific whiting. These requests will be denied. In addition, Japan will be barred from any future allocations of fishing privileges for any other species, including Pacific cod, until the Secretary of Commerce determines that the situation has been corrected.[54]

U.S. President Ronald Reagan, 1988

LINK

Edited by psyche101

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Are they to blame for Iceland and Norway too? I do understand this thread is about Japan.

While Japan took offense to the US in the late 1980's, I think they would have began whaling again.

From the supplied link:

But in bilateral discussions, the two governments reached an agreement. Japan would cease whaling in 1988, two years beyond the moratorium date, and withdraw its objection; in return, Ronald Reagan's administration agreed not to take action under Packwood-Magnuson or Pelly.

But they did take action under the Pelly amendment.

Officially, Japan had indeed agreed to cease whaling. Had they gone back then I think the situation would be much different today. Iceland and Norway never signed the moratorium, and are not members of the IWC, membership is voluntary, yet Japan still joined, and was willing to comply. But no, the US is not in any way connected to the catches by Norway and Iceland. Not Greenland either. Just the political tension with Japan.

Edited by psyche101

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Not that I don't believe you, but I cannot find a year where Japan killed zero whales. When I get time, I'll search a little more.

http://luna.pos.to/whale/sta.html

Good call Myles, you know more and ask better questions than the so called conservationists who claim to be all over this. I believe it is how the years are arranged (financial), as far as I know, that minke catch actually happened on February 9, 1988.

Nation Area Dates Fin Sperm Sei Brydes Minke Total 1986 (86/87) Iceland NA Jun-Sep86 76 0 40 0 0 116 Republic of Korea NP Apr-Jul86 0 0 0 0 69 69 Total 76 0 40 0 69 185 1987 (87/88) Iceland NA Jun-Sep87 80 0 20 0 0 100 Japan (pelagic) SH Jan-Mar88 0 0 0 0 273 273 Total 80 0 20 0 273 373

LINK

Japan issued itself a permit to catch them, yet before 1987, Japan did not traditionally hunt Minkes.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In other words they used it as an excuse. That strikes me as far more likely.

Yes, it was silly to give them one, and the Sea Shepherd gives them another each year. We need to pull that reason out from under their feet. If pride is the reason for continued Whaling, does it not stand to reason it could end Whaling?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 2

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.