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Sunday elections in UK instead of Thursdays

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Britain could be forced to hold European elections on Sundays as part of a blatant EU bid to erase our long democratic tradition.

For 72 years, elections to Westminster have been held on a Thursday, with local elections also being held on the first Thursday in May.

Proposals from the European Commission would see the UK having to fall in line behind most of the continent, where elections are held on Sundays.

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If I wanted to keep my elections on Thursday I would. Why in the world would the EU care anyway?

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We don't want political union with the EUSSR,Cameron should give two fingers to them and to be quite Frank, hardly anyone votes on a Thursday,so even less would turn out on a Sunday.

Ashley Fox MEP, Conservative spokesman on EU constitutional affairs, said: ‘There is no need for an elected President of Europe because there is no country called Europe. Only sovereign countries need an elected head of state, whereas the EU is an international organisation.’

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Inspired.Primary school kids are going to grab an extra day at school.Well you know what they say about education leading to a healthy mind.Not too shabby indeed from the Eurocrats unless they decide to ruin the effect by foisting Monopoly money and more immigrants on us.

Well it would be if I actially believed in the due process of the voting system.However I don't because what have these politicians done for me?This government and the previous one have sold Remploy down the river.They legistrated that stupid smoking ban.They still fiddle their expenses despite claims to the contrary.So why would I waste two precious minutes of my time to vote for somebody that will screw me in the short and long terms?They even try to fine you if you don't even sign your name on the electroral roll.I have a right to opt out of it which I have done for the last 15 years or so.Even before the troubles at Remploy I couldn't be bothered then but I don't think that was because of any polictical reason.I've opened my eyes since!Even though it's not their own idea I bet our current polictians are actually loving this.It means they can get more gullible plebs to vote for them.The turnout at the polling station will be huge.

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Why in the world would the EU care anyway?

Because it wants to interfere with every aspects of our lives and make everything uniform across the EU.

So if the other 26 Member States have General Elections on Sundays then the British should stop being "different" and start holding theirs on Sundays, too, instead of the traditional Thursdays.

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Cameron should give two fingers to them

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The Sun, Thursday 1st November 1990

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The Sun, Thursday 1st November 1990

Cameron will actually be sending them a peace sign instead!

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Good! Thursday is a pointless day on which nothing of interest ever happens.

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The Sun, Thursday 1st November 1990

Jesus, look how many words they used to have on their front page! And not a celebrity in sight!

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Jesus, look how many words they used to have on their front page! And not a celebrity in sight!

You can tell how old it is because the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were all the rage back then and they're on the front page. It brings back memories of my childhood.

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Thursday was always a very stupid day to hold General or local elections because for your average Joe this was a working day. It did the job of lowering turnouts however with only those able, after a "hard day in the Office" to go out and vote. If you are working a Shift System (possibly 12 hour shifts) then voting will mostly take second place add to that the fact that the Electoral System makes your vote almost worthless anyway then why even bother?

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Thursday was always a very stupid day to hold General or local elections because for your average Joe this was a working day. It did the job of lowering turnouts however with only those able, after a "hard day in the Office" to go out and vote. If you are working a Shift System (possibly 12 hour shifts) then voting will mostly take second place add to that the fact that the Electoral System makes your vote almost worthless anyway then why even bother?

you have a point Keith but since they introduced the banana republic vote, IE postal voting there is no excuse, you get your polling card, weeks in advance, phone the number they send you the form you fill it in - return it - job done. - its made it easy to vote but my take on the issue is postal voting should only be for disabled people. and if people cannot be bothered getting their bum in gear and get to the polling station then more fool them.

As for the EU. its easier to hold it on Thursday and cheaper. because we have the local council elections on the Thursday. turnout in the european elections has been falling year on year. i cannot see the trend changing. because the trend is right across the EU. except in the countries where voting is mandatory.

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Screw what Europe wants.

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I love the paranoia of the Mail. "Britain could be forced to hold European elections on Sundays as part of a blatant EU bid to erase our long democratic tradition."

oh no!! by holding them on a different day to our long democratic tradition (and let's be honest, since Women didn't even have the Vote on the same terms as men until 1928, it's not really that long a tradition, and not really very Democrtauic, is it), they're going to Destroy our Democratic Traditions and make us all bow down before the unelected Tyrants of Brussels!!

Perhaps it might be more convenient on a Sunday, actually, and more people might be able to do so.

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See.

It's Thursday and nothing has happened. When's Friday going to start?

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I love the paranoia of the Mail. "Britain could be forced to hold European elections on Sundays as part of a blatant EU bid to erase our long democratic tradition."

oh no!! by holding them on a different day to our long democratic tradition (and let's be honest, since Women didn't even have the Vote on the same terms as men until 1928, it's not really that long a tradition, and not really very Democrtauic, is it), they're going to Destroy our Democratic Traditions and make us all bow down before the unelected Tyrants of Brussels!!

Perhaps it might be more convenient on a Sunday, actually, and more people might be able to do so.

They've been held on Thursdays since 1935.

This pointless meddling by Brussels is just that - pointless meddling. What the hell has it got to do with foreign unelected bureaucrats in Belgium what days we hold our elections on?

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Don't blame brussels, blame corporate cronyism on behalf of your own decision makers. Now no business has to do without employees who would normally leave early or not come in at all to vote. Sounds to me like you're well on your way to becoming more like Americans. Next they will cut you down to 10 vacation days a year but you will be too afraid to take more than 5.

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Because it wants to interfere with every aspects of our lives and make everything uniform across the EU.

So if the other 26 Member States have General Elections on Sundays then the British should stop being "different" and start holding theirs on Sundays, too, instead of the traditional Thursdays.

Why should we British stop being different ?.We are British,thats why we are different.The E.U is trying everything possible to nit pick and screw us up,and IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN,

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I love the paranoia of the Mail. "Britain could be forced to hold European elections on Sundays as part of a blatant EU bid to erase our long democratic tradition."

Perhaps you should look at the bigger picture. It's the principle of yet again being told what to do by officials in Europe we never elected. We are a sovereign nation and should be able to do whatever we like; elect government on whatever day we want and refuse to give prisoners the vote if we like too.

The EU is a totalitarian state, we're made to think we're free when we're not.

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you have a point Keith but since they introduced the banana republic vote, IE postal voting there is no excuse, you get your polling card, weeks in advance, phone the number they send you the form you fill it in - return it - job done. - its made it easy to vote but my take on the issue is postal voting should only be for disabled people. and if people cannot be bothered getting their bum in gear and get to the polling station then more fool them.

As for the EU. its easier to hold it on Thursday and cheaper. because we have the local council elections on the Thursday. turnout in the european elections has been falling year on year. i cannot see the trend changing. because the trend is right across the EU. except in the countries where voting is mandatory.

You make a very valid point Steve if there are other Local elections going on at the same time. It would be cheaper to have the votes on a single day.

To be honest I just "Scanned" the OP and didn't take note that they are only talking about EU Elections. I would applaud any measure that actually increased turnout (Local elections are historically Low Turnout affairs) but it still comes down to general apathy toward these elections.

Not sure how the Postal Vote operates in the UK - it used to be reserved for Special Circumstances only (e.g. those working abroad, posted overseas in the Forces, or disabled) I didn't realise it was now offered to all.

I was on holiday in the USA last year for the Presidential Elections, and was surprised to discover that some States actually allowed Voting from 2 to 3 weeks prior to the Official Voting day - at least it gave them the opportunity to vote it they were starting to feel poorly, or just couldn't get time off otherwise.

Although I am entitled to vote in UK Elections, my view is that those who actually Live overseas should have that entitlement removed because they no longer pay taxes to the UK Exchequer, or Local Taxes, so they should not have a say in electing those who apportion the taxes on behalf of those paying them. IMO

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They've been held on Thursdays since 1935.

This pointless meddling by Brussels is just that - pointless meddling. What the hell has it got to do with foreign unelected bureaucrats in Belgium what days we hold our elections on?

Well, if these are European elections (not, so far as seems to be apparent, national elections), then it doesn't seem unreasonable to have them all on the same day, does it? It only seems to be European elections that they're Meddling with, they don't seem to be plotting to meddle with the time honoured pantomime that is General elections. If they really wanted to conspire against UKIP by ensuring a low turnout, then they'd have Plotted to keep them on an awkward day, I'd have thought. This might make a higher turnout, and the way things are going that might work in UKIP's favour.

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Perhaps you should look at the bigger picture. It's the principle of yet again being told what to do by officials in Europe we never elected. We are a sovereign nation and should be able to do whatever we like; elect government on whatever day we want and refuse to give prisoners the vote if we like too.

The EU is a totalitarian state, we're made to think we're free when we're not.

You (if old enough) never elected any Officials (as opposed to representatives by Universal Suffrage) in the UK either!

No.. there is no mechanism for voting directly for the Cronies that make up the European Commission (this was blocked by the UK) - BUT , IF old enough to vote then you certainly voted for the MEP's (Members of the European Parliament), and more importantly, you would have voted for the Council of Ministers (as this is made up of elected MP's), and these are the People who actually bring proposals into Law.

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You (if old enough) never elected any Officials (as opposed to representatives by Universal Suffrage) in the UK either!

No.. there is no mechanism for voting directly for the Cronies that make up the European Commission (this was blocked by the UK) - BUT , IF old enough to vote then you certainly voted for the MEP's (Members of the European Parliament), and more importantly, you would have voted for the Council of Ministers (as this is made up of elected MP's), and these are the People who actually bring proposals into Law.

Tehe, I'm more than old enough to vote. Let me know when I can vote for the President of Europe! Let me know when my country can give Europe a middle finger when it demands we change laws to comply with European law!

The irony for me is, Hitler got what he wanted in the end...just went the wrong way about it, clearly :P

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Tehe, I'm more than old enough to vote. Let me know when I can vote for the President of Europe! Let me know when my country can give Europe a middle finger when it demands we change laws to comply with European law!

The irony for me is, Hitler got what he wanted in the end...just went the wrong way about it, clearly :P

You cant, as I explained - a direct election to this post was vetoed by the UK (it actually never got to a Veto because it was clear that this Political Instrument would be used by the UK). You have clearly not read my response because UK Ministers, UK MEP's, and UK Govt have got to agree to write any Laws into UK National Law.

Are you sure you are old enough to vote (Spike isn't it)? - because your last sentence shows absolute ignorance of Political Process, The Lisbon Treaty, and the Treaty of Acscession. Have you even heard of Godwin's Law???

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You cant, as I explained - a direct election to this post was vetoed by the UK (it actually never got to a Veto because it was clear that this Political Instrument would be used by the UK). You have clearly not read my response because UK Ministers, UK MEP's, and UK Govt have got to agree to write any Laws into UK National Law.

Are you sure you are old enough to vote (Spike isn't it)? - because your last sentence shows absolute ignorance of Political Process, The Lisbon Treaty, and the Treaty of Acscession. Have you even heard of Godwin's Law???

It's not really that simple... such as the demanding we give prisoners the right to vote because it breaches European law... the British government is in no position to defy Europe. Especially when it throws around the "human rights breach" line.

I'm old enough to know the European Union is not and never will be a democratic power. I thought someone would get butthurt over the Hitler line :P I have heard of that and hey, he wanted to control Europe with a fascist leader and right now... well, we seem to have a unified Europe with a leader who isn't elected :tu: doesn't seem like I pulled a comparison out of nothing there. Seems pretty logical. Tell me all you like how we supposedly elect people into the European Parliament but the fact remains that the man in charge was never elected by the people. Keep telling me how the British government has to agree to allow Europe to change the law when they really don't.

Not to worry, we won't be staying there for very long now :whistle:

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